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Interesting times indeed. After 1,200 years or so of battling islamic aggression, christendom has surrendered in the most unimaginable way. Well played to mullahs, they have played a blinder.
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barbos
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Turkey was accepted into EU?
Derec
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I think he is referring to hundreds of thousands of "migrants" (some of them legit refugees, but by no means all) from Islamic countries that are flooding into EU right now. Last thing Europe needs is more Muslims.
dystopian
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Oh noes! Europe is helping people fleeing from the horrors of war! But the people they're helping are MUSLIMS! And there's a lot of them! Well you know, still a tiny minority compared to the natives BUT DOOM AND GLOOM THE END TIMES ARE NIGH!
OH NOES! EVERYONE PANIC!
OH NOES! EVERYONE PANIC!
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Oh crap. My boss is on vacation in Europe right now. Should I try to warn him about the impending apocalypse? Or is it already too late?
Your boss is already dead. Show the company's management team some initiative by moving your stuff into his office today.
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Its a matter of Maths.
Take a European population with 15% Muslims . Then compare a 1.6 to an 8.1 birth rate. Islam is also fast growing amongst Europeans. I prefer Halal beef by the way. If however islam in Europe adopts and retains the culture of its host countries I think many of our civil rights will remain intact. So pretty soon the host citizens will be a minority.
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Ive worked for quite a few years in Muslim countries. Its not a problem. I get on with Arabs. I have Palestinian friends. The problem for Europe is the maths. We have a low birth rate compared to Muslims, especially those in Europe. Europe is very likely to become Muslim but if like Christianity it reforms and allows a secular system there would not be too much to worry about.
If you want to see really racist immigration policies get a look at those in the UAE
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This has already happened but even the socialists are getting worried.
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Within 150 years there won't be a single current European citizen left anywhere in the EU.
It's a disaster!!
barbos
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You feel pretty safe in Australia, don't you?
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Irrational fear of the other.
It isn't just something children say.
It isn't just something children say.
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Not at all. Within 150 years there won't be a single current Australian citizen left anywhere in Australia either.
Not even Tony Abbott's 'Turn back the boats' policy can prevent this disaster from coming to pass.
untermensche
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The xenophobic fear mongers would like to see that reduced to at most 50.
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Within 150 years there wont be a single current non Australian citizen left anywhere in Australia also because they would have died by then.
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A few current Europeans will be still alive by then.
dystopian
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Why not just go ahead and compare a 1.6 versus a 999.2 birthrate? It's only slightly more ridiculous.
Muslims do not have a 8.1 birth rate anywhere on the fucking planet; and they certainly don't in Europe. In fact, in most European countries the birth-rate for muslims is almost the same as it is for non-muslims. In Germany it's 1.8 (muslim) versus 1.3 for instance. Even in countries where the difference is more substantial, it's still nowhere near that big a difference. The biggest difference is found in Finland, where it's 3.3 vs 1.8; hardly anything to worry about given how small a percentage they make of these countries and how over successive generations the rate drops (not to mention how over successive generations, secularisation and mixing kicks in until the immigrants are just the same as everyone else)
And of course, Muslims do not make up 15% of the European population. They make up only 6% of the total European population, and only 3.2% of the European Union.
But DOOM! FEAR! UNCERTAINTY! APOCALYPSE!
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I think the OP has a point. After all, look at the evolution in North and South America after the inhabitants voluntarily let the Christians in.
Derec
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Understandable, given the unwillingness of mainstream parties to address the problem of islamization of Europe.
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Not all of these "migrants" are actual refugees. And there should be a way to help people fleeing wars without giving away Europe's future. Why can't the Muslim world do more to take in these people? Why can't more of them stay in Turkey, where they are coming through anyway? Why can't Saudi Arabia, which is both rich, Muslim and has a lot of empty space, take a few hundred thousand of their fellow Muslims?
Actually, Muslims are no longer a tiny minority in Europe. and their numbers are increasing. And even when they are a minority there are problems with violence/terrorism, with demands for Sharia law etc. This will only get worse by letting hundreds of thousands of more Muslims in.
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