Europe submits voluntarily

[DrZoidberg]

Security measures will drastically reduce attacks. We can't prevent drugs entering the USA but we do reduce the amount that do. This is part of our defence. In any war there are casualties. The Wars in Iraq and Syria have only allowed these groups to fill the voids left by the regimes when their armies lost control of these territories.

Every attack is a one of thing.

The drug trade is a good analogy. No, you are wrong. Trying to stop drugs at borders has zero impact on availability. It's like standing on an already sunken boat still trying to scoop out water. There's been tonnes of studies on this. Trying to stop drugs at all is an utter and complete waste of resources.

Here's LEAP, an American organisation that consists of police only, ie the people who have an incentive to support the war on crime, who are against prohibition anyway. Because it's such a colossal waste of time.

http://www.leap.cc/

Here's the founder explaining himself

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8yYJ_oV6xk

 

[untermensche]

Why are those who resist mass immigration labelled racists? What has race got to do with anything?

Xenophobia is not always due to racism.

It can be due to all kinds of psychological problems. We don't really fully understand how paranoia's arise.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Why are those who resist mass immigration labelled racists? What has race got to do with anything?

Xenophobia is not always due to racism.

It can be due to all kinds of psychological problems. We don't really fully understand how paranoia's arise.

How can restricting immigration be paranoia?

 

[untermensche]

Xenophobia is not always due to racism.

It can be due to all kinds of psychological problems. We don't really fully understand how paranoia's arise.

How can restricting immigration be paranoia?

The paranoia is in the reasons people give to restrict it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

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I don't find the image from them. I do find the image without the words as a stock image.

 

[bilby]

Xenophobia is not always due to racism.

It can be due to all kinds of psychological problems. We don't really fully understand how paranoia's arise.

How can restricting immigration be paranoia?

How can it be rational?

A person who supports the UKIP because they don't want immigrants to come to the UK is basically saying that the 60 million random strangers that he has never met who currently live in the UK are acceptable to him, but a few tens of thousands more random strangers he has never met will cause a problem.

That's a fundamentally insane position to take.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

How can restricting immigration be paranoia?

How can it be rational?

A person who supports the UKIP because they don't want immigrants to come to the UK is basically saying that the 60 million random strangers that he has never met who currently live in the UK are acceptable to him, but a few tens of thousands more random strangers he has never met will cause a problem.

That's a fundamentally insane position to take.

Not when those new strangers are radical Islamist scoiopaths with access to nuclear warheads.

 

[repoman]

In regards to the pictures I posted in #2197, the SPLC is obviously a sarcastic take on an aspect of their mission.

But this is a good video that talks about Sweden and touches on some of the issues of the pictures:

 

[TSwizzle]

What a costly mess Merkel has made of things.

European leaders are struggling to agree on action to manage the refugee crisis amid ever deepening divisions, impotence and failure to follow through on earlier pledges.
The German chancellor, Angela Merkel, led a session of seven other government leaders from Scandinavia, Benelux, Austria, and Greece aimed at trying to agree on how to share quotas of refugees taken directly from Turkey as part of a flagging €3bn (£2.2bn) deal Brussels recently reached with Ankara. Merkel is the driving force behind the initiative. But the “coalition of the willing” could only attract 8 of 28 EU countries, highlighting that there is no longer a majority in the EU prepared to support a new system of permanent quotas to share refugees across the union.
The figures being discussed have rapidly collapsed from the ambitious to the arguably meaningless, given the scale of the problem. A month ago, Berlin and others were talking of taking 400,000-500,000 people directly from Turkey. By Thursday the figure had sunk to 50,000-80,000.

Guardian

Merkel's "Bob The Builder" approach is going to fail but who knows what the ramifications will be. But it won't be pretty.

 

[angelo]

How can restricting immigration be paranoia?

The paranoia is in the reasons people give to restrict it.

You would have open slather for one and all. Perhaps do away with borders altogether? No restrictions on movement of people whatsoever? All people would need to do is turn up at a welfare office and demand welfare?

 

[bilby]

The paranoia is in the reasons people give to restrict it.

You would have open slather for one and all. Perhaps do away with borders altogether? No restrictions on movement of people whatsoever? All people would need to do is turn up at a welfare office and demand welfare?

What the fuck has movement got to do with welfare?

Freedom of movement need not entail the right to claim welfare at one's destination.

Not everyone is entitled to welfare where they are; why would you imagine that they would be where they are not?

 

[barbos]

You would have open slather for one and all. Perhaps do away with borders altogether? No restrictions on movement of people whatsoever? All people would need to do is turn up at a welfare office and demand welfare?

What the fuck has movement got to do with welfare?

Freedom of movement need not entail the right to claim welfare at one's destination.

Not everyone is entitled to welfare where they are; why would you imagine that they would be where they are not?

The fact is, migrants ARE entitled to welfare in EU. And yes that's he main reason for most of them to migrate to EU

 

[whichphilosophy]

How can restricting immigration be paranoia?

The paranoia is in the reasons people give to restrict it.

However restricting immigration in itself is not paranoia.

 

[untermensche]

The paranoia is in the reasons people give to restrict it.

However restricting immigration in itself is not paranoia.

It can be.

Any talk of how some group of desperate people is inherently different or more dangerous from another is paranoia and delusion.

 

[whichphilosophy]

However restricting immigration in itself is not paranoia.

It can be.

Any talk of how some group of desperate people is inherently different or more dangerous from another is paranoia and delusion.

A person with a chronic personality disorder may be against immigration in some cases. That person could also be a conservative, communist or liberal but that does not mean these political movements arise out of paranoia. Most people in the UK including immigrants who settled here are against mass immigration. The UK feels it is too full and cant look after its own. Most support asylum but not mass economic migration. Some migration is okay in the view of many or most in the UK.

 

[angelo]

You would have open slather for one and all. Perhaps do away with borders altogether? No restrictions on movement of people whatsoever? All people would need to do is turn up at a welfare office and demand welfare?

What the fuck has movement got to do with welfare?

Freedom of movement need not entail the right to claim welfare at one's destination.

Not everyone is entitled to welfare where they are; why would you imagine that they would be where they are not?

Isn't that the reason most if not all illegal migrants by pass countries that have little or no welfare system?

 

[bilby]

What the fuck has movement got to do with welfare?

Freedom of movement need not entail the right to claim welfare at one's destination.

Not everyone is entitled to welfare where they are; why would you imagine that they would be where they are not?

Isn't that the reason most if not all illegal migrants by pass countries that have little or no welfare system?

I'm damn sure that not all illegal migrants bypass countries that have little or no welfare system. And I would be most interested to see your evidence that most do so.

Is your rhetorical question based in reality at all, or is the premise of your question yet another 'truthy' idea that you have invented because it is required by your preconceived conclusion?

 

[DrZoidberg]

Isn't that the reason most if not all illegal migrants by pass countries that have little or no welfare system?

I'm damn sure that not all illegal migrants bypass countries that have little or no welfare system. And I would be most interested to see your evidence that most do so.

Is your rhetorical question based in reality at all, or is the premise of your question yet another 'truthy' idea that you have invented because it is required by your preconceived conclusion?

I think it has more to do with where they are the most welcome. Many refugees want to go to Sweden because this is a good place to live. Not only because of welfare but because of our strong economy. Same reason many want to go to Germany.

Ask yourself where you'd like to settle of you had to flee? Of course you'd pick a country where you'd feel welcome.

 

[untermensche]

It can be.

Any talk of how some group of desperate people is inherently different or more dangerous from another is paranoia and delusion.

A person with a chronic personality disorder may be against immigration in some cases. That person could also be a conservative, communist or liberal but that does not mean these political movements arise out of paranoia. Most people in the UK including immigrants who settled here are against mass immigration. The UK feels it is too full and cant look after its own. Most support asylum but not mass economic migration. Some migration is okay in the view of many or most in the UK.

I don't believe you are the spokesman for "most people".

But Britain and it's support of the US terrorist attack of the Iraqi people is a major reason these refugees exist.

 

[angelo]

Isn't that the reason most if not all illegal migrants by pass countries that have little or no welfare system?

I'm damn sure that not all illegal migrants bypass countries that have little or no welfare system. And I would be most interested to see your evidence that most do so.

Is your rhetorical question based in reality at all, or is the premise of your question yet another 'truthy' idea that you have invented because it is required by your preconceived conclusion?

You've got to be kidding!! Where the f...k are they heading for if not to the welfare states of Germany, Sweden, Norway, Italy, often passing through countries with little or no welfare payments.