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Disagree. China has nothing against religion. What China does have a problem with is any organization that attempts to be a higher authority than the state.
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China set up its own Christian religion but bans others. It does allow many but not all.
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"Religion is the opium of the masses". It's in their constitution.
Their chairman has also said "it doesn't matter what colour the cat as long as it catches mice".
So it's highly unclear what's on in China
As I said, anything that attempts to be a higher authority. Christianity says the Vatican is above government.
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As does islam, only more so.
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In fairness it appears the majority want the civil laws rather than the application of criminal law which I quoted here.
While most favor using religious law in family and property disputes, fewer support the application of severe punishments – such as whippings or cutting off hands – in criminal cases.
The danger lies in any extremists takeover where whippings and cutting off hands and heads would be prevalent.
In the UK and I believe Australia, a Muslim civil tribunal is legal under Arbitration laws providing they do not abuse the governing laws.
The Jews have their own courts dealing with civil matters. For instance the punishment for bigamy is two mother in laws.
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If religion is the opium of the masses, then why not corner the source of supply. The
Three-Self Patriotic Movement aka Three Self Church is the State run Protestant church.
China claims under its rule Christianity has expanded faster than it ever did before.(CCTV 9).
While in the West we talk about separation of Church from State, in China there's no (publicised) talk about separation of State from Church.
Communism + Chinese Characteristics = Capitalism
State created Christianity = Freedom of Religion
This is a good foreign policy one though not related:
In waking a sleeping tiger use a long stick.
Opium attracts the masses. Three-Self Patriotic Movement (Three Self Church) is the Chinese version of Christianity and what better way to herd the masses then opium or religion.
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Noooooo!
angelo
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The problem won't just go away by pretending, or turning a blind eye to the facts that a significant number of Muslims support acts of terror if it furthers Islam. Europe has a larger problem than Australia because many Western European naive politicians from all sides of politics have allowed in millions of Muslims. The more Muslims there are in any given nation there more terrorist atrocities are committed. No Muslims means no Islamic terrorism, no Muslim ghettos, no sharia law, no security problems. These are the facts. Educated Muslims might be better employed sorting out the problems in Muslim countries. rather than trying to blame Islamic terror on Western countries and forever playing the victims.
Besides, there are hundreds of millions of African, Middle Eastern people living on the border of poverty, or who wish to better their lives. What are Western nations to do, just give up as many have already done and watch Western culture become minorities in their own nations?
The political class are ignoring this threat at their own peril. It's the main reason most people are voting for populist politicians and their parties either from far right or far left!
Besides, there are hundreds of millions of African, Middle Eastern people living on the border of poverty, or who wish to better their lives. What are Western nations to do, just give up as many have already done and watch Western culture become minorities in their own nations?
The political class are ignoring this threat at their own peril. It's the main reason most people are voting for populist politicians and their parties either from far right or far left!
Actually, that would be the nutters and propagandists spewing horseshit like what you just posted above.
I do agree that terrorism won't go away any time soon, but you, and this entire thread, ought to.
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A Typically leftard response. A chicken voting for Colonel Sanders!
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This is Bråvalla. Which means zero Muslims. This is going to be the whitest party in existence. Pretty sure 100% ethnic Swedish atheists attending. Visitors will need sunglasses to protect their eyes from the glare from sunlight being reflected on pale skin.
Bråvalla is marketed to teenagers. Bråvalla has no lower age limit. Young kids need more security. Because they misbehave more. But they couldn't afford more security. They tried making a deal with the local police. But they refused. They didn't feel that they should help protect young girls, but instead wanted to focus on harassing kids for smoking weed. That's the conflict.
In protest of this the organisers chose to cancel the whole festival. Not this years. It will go as planned. It's next years festival that will be cancelled. This is of course a huge loss for the local community. So little cynical me, thinks that it's a ploy to get the politicians to lean on the police to provide extra security. So they can get their festival anyway. It's just politics.
But yes, there have been rapes at this festival. Or rather high incidents of reported rapes and sexual assaults. I'm not sure if anybody has been convicted of anything. I'm not saying, therefore it's all good. But there is a distinction. Sexual assaults are about interpretations of events. Swedish feminism is very strong, and young women are strongly encouraged to report everything they're not ok about.
But there is a problem here. The distinction between sexual assault and just being bad in bed isn't as clear as it needs to be. There's a huge grey area. And teenage girls are given a free pass to interpret it as they see fit and will be encouraged and supported for doing so. Rape victims are increasingly seen as brave heroes coming forward (rather than damaged goods). Which I'm totally for, and think it's a great development. But you don't need to be a genius to see the potential problem. A reported rape is just that. Until it's been through the courts we have no idea what happened.
Anyhoo... what a surprise none of this was in the Daily Mail. How much is it going to take until you realise that the Daily Mail is just lies? It's all bullshit and misrepresentations of the truth.
None of the festivals with higher age limits have this problem.
Another thing that's left out. Swedish parents typically feel safe about letting their 13 year old daughters go to a festival alone with thousands of other teenagers. And just assume it will be fine, and their daughter will be safe and unmolested in their unprotected tent. There's not many countries where parents would allow that at all, because of all the risks involved. This is still a very safe and low risk country.
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Look at the overall crime rates and rape statistics of USA and Sweden!
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Sweden/United-States/Crime
http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info/compare/Sweden/United-States/Crime
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I've explained this over and over in this thread. Do you even care about reality? Or is the thing you care about is the imaginary world in your own head?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden
Snopes article
http://www.snopes.com/crime-sweden-rape-capital-europe/
BBC article on this topic specifically
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-39056786
In 1984 rapes went up in Sweden. Also in 1996. What was the momentous events that caused this rape explosion? We just redefined the rape category and how we collected statistics. Nothing new happened and more women weren't being raped. Probably. We don't really know.
USA and Sweden define rape differently. We also collect rape statistics differently. Sweden is the most honest country on the planet when it comes to collecting rape statistics. Every other country in the world hide the real rape number in various ways.
In Sweden rape victims also get substantial protection from the law. And we go out of our way to make it as stress free for victims to report rape. Not unique. But we're, arguably, the best at this. Which of course leads to a higher prevalence of rape reports.
Because rape statistics are gathered differently around the world, nobody knows which countries have the most rapes. The countries with the lowest reported rapes in the world are countries where rape victims also get charged with adultery. If all you care about is the number that makes it into the statistics then this is a great strategy. But of course idiotic.
You're just proving over and over that you have no fucking clue.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-19592372
Here's a BBC article about how crime statistics are collected all over the world, and weird results and anomalies. It also covers Swedish rape statistics.
Statistics are great if you want to understand the world. They're also great for liars. You need to learn how to read and interpret statistics or you will be wrong about how the world works.
The biggest problem regarding rape around the world is getting women to report rape at all. That's a huge problem even in Sweden.
Angelo, think of what you're saying. If it would make you happier if Sweden had less reported rape, we could make Sweden as useless as most other countries. Reported rapes would go down in an instant. But hardly real rapes.
Here's a BBC article about how crime statistics are collected all over the world, and weird results and anomalies. It also covers Swedish rape statistics.
Statistics are great if you want to understand the world. They're also great for liars. You need to learn how to read and interpret statistics or you will be wrong about how the world works.
The biggest problem regarding rape around the world is getting women to report rape at all. That's a huge problem even in Sweden.
Angelo, think of what you're saying. If it would make you happier if Sweden had less reported rape, we could make Sweden as useless as most other countries. Reported rapes would go down in an instant. But hardly real rapes.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Angelo is a hopeless case and trying to talk sense into him is like pissing into the wind. The only solution is for the moderators to boot his ass out of here like they should have done ages ago, but that's probably never going to happen. Just tell him he's a fucking moron and move on. Any attempt at engagement with him just encourages more and more of this shit.
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