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[Jason Harvestdancer]

A war crime is not necessarily something done by a government.

It is done by a government actor. Every time. Government cannot do anything without someone who is part of it doing something.

A private on his own can commit a war crime.

Even then he is a government actor, a government agent, a government employee.

Why do you have such a problem with the term "war crime"?

 

[angelo]

What your little cartoon leaves out is the fact that 99% of terrorist , are muslim men!

The US attack of Iraq was a massive act of terrorism.

Not ordered by a Muslim.

Ordered by a Christian who said his god told him to do it.

Sure. If we ignore all the terrorism from the West, all the terrorism from Israel, if we label resistance to oppression as terrorism, we could ignorantly think that terrorism is only a Muslim problem.

Again and again you're insinuating that Israel has no right to defend itself. For the love of my lord and god Zoroaster, put a fucking sock in it!

 

[angelo]

What your little cartoon leaves out is the fact that 99% of terrorist , are muslim men!

The US attack of Iraq was a massive act of terrorism.

Not ordered by a Muslim.

Ordered by a Christian who said his god told him to do it.

Sure. If we ignore all the terrorism from the West, all the terrorism from Israel, if we label resistance to oppression as terrorism, we could ignorantly think that terrorism is only a Muslim problem.

Were the islamic terrorist attacks of 9/11 not terrorist attacks on a sovereign nation? The attack on Iraq was the direct consequences of that, misguided as it was!

 

[untermensche]

What your little cartoon leaves out is the fact that 99% of terrorist , are muslim men!

The US attack of Iraq was a massive act of terrorism.

Not ordered by a Muslim.

Ordered by a Christian who said his god told him to do it.

Sure. If we ignore all the terrorism from the West, all the terrorism from Israel, if we label resistance to oppression as terrorism, we could ignorantly think that terrorism is only a Muslim problem.

Again and again you're insinuating that Israel has no right to defend itself. For the love of my lord and god Zoroaster, put a fucking sock in it!

Yes. Iraq did have the right to defend itself from the US terrorist attack.

But only a very stupid idiot could see the US terrorist attack of Iraq as self-defense.

The US was not being attacked by Iraq nor could Iraq attack the US.

Why don't you grow a brain?

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What your little cartoon leaves out is the fact that 99% of terrorist , are muslim men!

The US attack of Iraq was a massive act of terrorism.

Not ordered by a Muslim.

Ordered by a Christian who said his god told him to do it.

Sure. If we ignore all the terrorism from the West, all the terrorism from Israel, if we label resistance to oppression as terrorism, we could ignorantly think that terrorism is only a Muslim problem.

Were the islamic terrorist attacks of 9/11 not terrorist attacks on a sovereign nation? The attack on Iraq was the direct consequences of that, misguided as it was!

Yeah, it was an attack by Saudi Arabians. An attack from some entity that had nothing to do with Iraq.

You need a brain!

The last holdouts are the most deluded holdouts. The attack of Iraq was a massive crime. Nothing justifies it.

There is no hope for sanity when cold blooded unprovoked attacks are not seen as crimes.

 

[untermensche]

A war crime is not necessarily something done by a government.

It is done by a government actor. Every time. Government cannot do anything without someone who is part of it doing something.

A private on his own can commit a war crime.

Even then he is a government actor, a government agent, a government employee.

Why do you have such a problem with the term "war crime"?

Go try to sell this TOTAL BULLSHIT to some child, or perhaps your dog.

It is a compete fabrication pulled from your ASS.

Terrorism is the act NOT the actor.

Attacking people to change their government is terrorism.

No matter who does it.

 

[4321lynx]

It is done by a government actor. Every time. Government cannot do anything without someone who is part of it doing something.



Even then he is a government actor, a government agent, a government employee.

Why do you have such a problem with the term "war crime"?

Go try to sell this TOTAL BULLSHIT to some child, or perhaps your dog.

It is a compete fabrication pulled from your ASS.

Terrorism is the act NOT the actor.

Attacking people to change their government is terrorism.

No matter who does it.

All you people arguing with Unter are bound to lose.
The reason is that he, like almost all lefty anarcho-syndycalist theorists make their own rules and their own definitions and change them as and when they consider necessary. And they believe in their own infallibility and the "holiness" of their firmly held and ever changing opinions, and in the effectiveness of crude verbal insults to any who disagree with them.

 

[untermensche]

The invented rule here that somebody pulled from their ass and is trying to sell is that nations cannot commit terrorism.

Total bullshit!

Terrorism is an act.

It is what somebody does.

It has nothing to do with who they are.

And they believe in their own infallibility and the "holiness" of their firmly held and ever changing opinions, and in the effectiveness of crude verbal insults to any who disagree with them.

Prove it.

Show me the evidence you made this absurd nonsense from.

Disagreeing with idiots that somehow think nations can't commit acts of terrorism most definitely doesn't count.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Prove it.

From the last two pages of this thread:

Bullshit.
It is a claim you pulled out of your ass.
No moral person believes it.
You cannot read.
But only a very stupid idiot could see ...
Why don't you grow a brain?
You need a brain!
Go try to sell this TOTAL BULLSHIT to some child, or perhaps your dog.
It is a compete fabrication pulled from your ASS.
The invented rule here that somebody pulled from their ass and is trying to sell ...
Total bullshit!
Disagreeing with idiots...

I think you've proven 4321lynx's point very well.

 

[untermensche]

You somehow neglect all the meat.

The last resort of a bad argument.

Terrorism is an act.

It is what somebody does.

It has nothing to do with who they are.

Saying a government can't commit an act of terrorism has no foundation in anything.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

You somehow neglect all the meat.

Can't neglect what's not there.

You need to open a legal dictionary. Legal terms are very well defined there. They aren't the definitions you agree with, but they are the actual definitions.

 

[untermensche]

You somehow neglect all the meat.

Can't neglect what's not there.

You need to open a legal dictionary. Legal terms are very well defined there. They aren't the definitions you agree with, but they are the actual definitions.

Thinking a government can't commit ACTS OF TERRORISM is an unusually stupid idea.

I was being very mild.

 

[untermensche]

The foundation of human morality is that all rules apply equally to all people.

There are not one set of rules for some people and another set of rules for other people.

There are not crimes some can commit that others cannot.

But this is just morality.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

The foundation of human morality is that all rules apply equally to all people.

There are not one set of rules for some people and another set of rules for other people.

There are not crimes some can commit that others cannot.

But this is just morality.

That is why when a three year old grabs a candy bar off a shop shelf and eats it before the parent can stop him, you haul that three year old to jail as a shoplifter.

 

[angelo]

You somehow neglect all the meat.

Can't neglect what's not there.

You need to open a legal dictionary. Legal terms are very well defined there. They aren't the definitions you agree with, but they are the actual definitions.

Thinking a government can't commit ACTS OF TERRORISM is an unusually stupid idea.

I was being very mild.

Why do you keep saying the US committed acts of terrorism by the invasion and removal of a brutal dictator but completely ignore the brutality of Communism that was responsible for the death of perhaps 20 million Russians [ a conservative estimate ] alone under the jackboot of Stalin!

 

[untermensche]

The foundation of human morality is that all rules apply equally to all people.

There are not one set of rules for some people and another set of rules for other people.

There are not crimes some can commit that others cannot.

But this is just morality.

That is why when a three year old grabs a candy bar off a shop shelf and eats it before the parent can stop him, you haul that three year old to jail as a shoplifter.

Shoplifting laws do not apply to a child in their home.

Parents can force out a child that does not obey at 18. Until then they have a legal obligation.

This morality stuff is difficult for you.

 

[untermensche]

Thinking a government can't commit ACTS OF TERRORISM is an unusually stupid idea.

I was being very mild.

Why do you keep saying the US committed acts of terrorism by the invasion and removal of a brutal dictator but completely ignore the brutality of Communism that was responsible for the death of perhaps 20 million Russians [ a conservative estimate ] alone under the jackboot of Stalin!

The US did a whole hell of lot more than reach in and pluck out a dictator.

It killed thousands of the innocent. It terrorized millions. Millions fled their homes. The US rounded up innocent people in the middles of the night and tortured them.

But the US also was responsible for Hussein being there. The US gave Hussein a lot of support. Reagan took Iraq off the terrorist state list (yes nations can commit terrorism) after he gassed the Kurds with US helicopters and gas. The US supported Hussein in the war with Iran. The US also supported Iran so what does that tell you?

Communism did not kill anybody.

Dictators singing about Communism did that.

The inability to see a dictator seems to be an American problem.

 

[untermensche]

State Sponsors of Terrorism

Countries determined by the Secretary of State to have repeatedly provided support for acts of international terrorism are designated pursuant to three laws: section 6(j) of the Export Administration Act, section 40 of the Arms Export Control Act, and section 620A of the Foreign Assistance Act. Taken together, the four main categories of sanctions resulting from designation under these authorities include restrictions on U.S. foreign assistance; a ban on defense exports and sales; certain controls over exports of dual use items; and miscellaneous financial and other restrictions.

https://www.state.gov/j/ct/list/c14151.htm

Yes little children there is no Santa Clause.

And nations can commit terrorism.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Your love of government prevents you from admitting that governments can commit war crimes.

 

[untermensche]

When a stronger nation invades a weaker nation that is not invading anyone it is state terrorism not war.

When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan it was terrorism.

When the US invaded South Vietnam it was terrorism.

When the US attacked Iraq it was terrorism.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

It is deeply immoral to let your love of government prevent you from acknowledging when it commits war crimes.