Europe - The Barbarian Invasion has Begun.

[KeepTalking]

Typically left tactics. Kill the messenger.

Bilby, it seems you're shooting the messenger!

Typical response. Attack the messenger when you don't like the message.

Typical. Attack the messenger if he disagrees with with you. A little rich though even by your standards in comparing me to black shirts and nazis.

You aren't the blameless bearer of bad news (ie. the messenger'); you are a reactionary loon who makes ludicrous claims about the impending doom of the West, and you post links to other fascist nutjobs whose views you endorse.

Whining that people are being unfair to you (by 'shooting the messenger') is a transparent attempt to avoid owning your idiotic worldview.

If that is so, I have a huge minority who agree with my philosophy, and they are showing it at the ballot boxes!

That's nice. Too bad for you and your philosophy that they cannot be anywhere near as huge as the majority.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

By that time shooting himself made not one iota of difference.

Yeah--late in the war we quit trying to assassinate him, he was doing so much to cripple Germany that we wanted him in charge.

 

[repoman]

 

[DrZoidberg]

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Merkel is the mother of Hitler!!! Quick, fetch the garlic and a wooden stake.

 

[angelo]

Typically left tactics. Kill the messenger.

Bilby, it seems you're shooting the messenger!

Typical response. Attack the messenger when you don't like the message.

Typical. Attack the messenger if he disagrees with with you. A little rich though even by your standards in comparing me to black shirts and nazis.

You aren't the blameless bearer of bad news (ie. the messenger'); you are a reactionary loon who makes ludicrous claims about the impending doom of the West, and you post links to other fascist nutjobs whose views you endorse.

Whining that people are being unfair to you (by 'shooting the messenger') is a transparent attempt to avoid owning your idiotic worldview.

If that is so, I have a huge minority who agree with my philosophy, and they are showing it at the ballot boxes!

That's nice. Too bad for you and your philosophy that they cannot be anywhere near as huge as the majority.

If you notice, anti immigration parties are making big inroads into many EU countries governments that have big influxes of the alien culture of Islam. It's bound to get even more anti muslim politicians elected in future. The general public have no other way to fight back except through the ballot box in the defence of Western culture except to organised vigilantes attacking so called "refugee" camps, which also is growing.

 

[bilby]

Typically left tactics. Kill the messenger.

Bilby, it seems you're shooting the messenger!

Typical response. Attack the messenger when you don't like the message.

Typical. Attack the messenger if he disagrees with with you. A little rich though even by your standards in comparing me to black shirts and nazis.

You aren't the blameless bearer of bad news (ie. the messenger'); you are a reactionary loon who makes ludicrous claims about the impending doom of the West, and you post links to other fascist nutjobs whose views you endorse.

Whining that people are being unfair to you (by 'shooting the messenger') is a transparent attempt to avoid owning your idiotic worldview.

If that is so, I have a huge minority who agree with my philosophy, and they are showing it at the ballot boxes!

That's nice. Too bad for you and your philosophy that they cannot be anywhere near as huge as the majority.

If you notice, anti immigration parties are making big inroads into many EU countries governments that have big influxes of the alien culture of Islam. It's bound to get even more anti muslim politicians elected in future. The general public have no other way to fight back except through the ballot box in the defence of Western culture except to organised vigilantes attacking so called "refugee" camps, which also is growing.

You could have said the same thing in Germany in the 1930s about parties opposed to the 'alien cuture' of Judaism. Do you honestly think that it was a good idea then for German voters to support National Socialism, to defend against this 'menace'? Do you honestly not see that the situation today is almost a perfect parallel to the situation then - with the significant difference that the German supporters of National Socialism had the excuse of not having seen where this attitude leads?

I expect that the anti-immigration parties in Europe will also make the trains run on time, and give people back a sense of pride in their nation. History tells us that this is NOT a good thing.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

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What's that supposed to mean? The Nazis didn't like non-Aryans.

 

[angelo]

Typically left tactics. Kill the messenger.

Bilby, it seems you're shooting the messenger!

Typical response. Attack the messenger when you don't like the message.

Typical. Attack the messenger if he disagrees with with you. A little rich though even by your standards in comparing me to black shirts and nazis.

You aren't the blameless bearer of bad news (ie. the messenger'); you are a reactionary loon who makes ludicrous claims about the impending doom of the West, and you post links to other fascist nutjobs whose views you endorse.

Whining that people are being unfair to you (by 'shooting the messenger') is a transparent attempt to avoid owning your idiotic worldview.

If that is so, I have a huge minority who agree with my philosophy, and they are showing it at the ballot boxes!

That's nice. Too bad for you and your philosophy that they cannot be anywhere near as huge as the majority.

If you notice, anti immigration parties are making big inroads into many EU countries governments that have big influxes of the alien culture of Islam. It's bound to get even more anti muslim politicians elected in future. The general public have no other way to fight back except through the ballot box in the defence of Western culture except to organised vigilantes attacking so called "refugee" camps, which also is growing.

You could have said the same thing in Germany in the 1930s about parties opposed to the 'alien cuture' of Judaism. Do you honestly think that it was a good idea then for German voters to support National Socialism, to defend against this 'menace'? Do you honestly not see that the situation today is almost a perfect parallel to the situation then - with the significant difference that the German supporters of National Socialism had the excuse of not having seen where this attitude leads?

I expect that the anti-immigration parties in Europe will also make the trains run on time, and give people back a sense of pride in their nation. History tells us that this is NOT a good thing.

The Germans were not anti Semitic per se. They treated the Jews no different to any other people.

It was the Nazis who preached the pure blood of the Aryan, as opposed to every other race, but especially the Jews who they blamed for all the ills of the world. It's all written in Mein Kampf.
It's entirely different today. The only similar theme is that the Jews are still blamed for all the planets ills, but this time it's the still the Jews haters, and practically the whole Arabic world which are new Nazis

 

[angelo]

The beginning of barbarism.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/german-nightclub-refuses-migrants-to-protect-women-from-harassment

 

[arkirk]

The beginning of barbarism.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/11/german-nightclub-refuses-migrants-to-protect-women-from-harassment

My heart goes out to those horrible barbarians you seem to need to persecute...the women and children especially who definitely are not raping the european women. I feel sorry for them because they are driven from their homeland by wars our actions fomented and have no place to run. They go to Europe and meet with even more horrible barbarians than they coped with in their homeland. You simply cannot understand that your side is as sick with hatred as anything going on in the ME. You need to volunteer to help these people...to be around them long enough to begin to understand they are human beings too. You just don't seem to be getting that. My heart goes out to you because you are stuck in a mental rut put in your thinking by very savvy propagandists for the purposes of supporting the war profiteering business.

 

[DrZoidberg]

You could have said the same thing in Germany in the 1930s about parties opposed to the 'alien cuture' of Judaism. Do you honestly think that it was a good idea then for German voters to support National Socialism, to defend against this 'menace'? Do you honestly not see that the situation today is almost a perfect parallel to the situation then - with the significant difference that the German supporters of National Socialism had the excuse of not having seen where this attitude leads?

I expect that the anti-immigration parties in Europe will also make the trains run on time, and give people back a sense of pride in their nation. History tells us that this is NOT a good thing.

The Germans were not anti Semitic per se. They treated the Jews no different to any other people.

It was the Nazis who preached the pure blood of the Aryan, as opposed to every other race, but especially the Jews who they blamed for all the ills of the world. It's all written in Mein Kampf.
It's entirely different today. The only similar theme is that the Jews are still blamed for all the planets ills, but this time it's the still the Jews haters, and practically the whole Arabic world which are new Nazis

I think it's important to understand that Nazism is a variant of fascism and fascism has a given structure. Fascism assumes one's own groups natural perfection. Whenever any evidence of lack of perfection surfaces fascists never do any self-critique. Instead they find something perceived as external (within the country) to blame it on. And the target for this is utterly and completely arbitrary. The Nazis picked the Jews because the Nazis were Christian. But it could have been any group not identified as the core of whatever the fascists identify with. It's also important to realise that this core is completely fluid and arbitrary. Eventually, of course, the blame game will continue until there's nobody left to blame it on. So it's important to understand that the Nazi hatred of Jews would only keep going as long as there were Jews to blame it on. Once they were all gone the target would move on to the next group.

The communist fascist varieties are the most extreme. Pol Pot's Cambodia tried finding the enemy from within until half the country had been killed. It didn't stop until (the very weak) Cambodia was invaded and forced them to stop. USSR under Stalin is another good example. But Pol Pot takes the prize. But similar things goes on in Iran. Did in Libya under Gadaffi, Iraq under Saddam and Afghanistan under the Taliban.

The Nazi movement sprung from the Thule society. The Thule society were a bunch of pseudo-pagan nationalistic mystics. It's leader Sebottendorf was not an anti-semite. When the Thule society went main-stream under the guise of NSDAP it attracted a lot of Christians. This is when the anti-semitism started to emerge, and when Hitler came into prominence in the movement. Sebottendorf came into conflict with Hitler over this (he was a staunch anti-anti-semite) and led to Sebottendorf getting kicked out from the movement he had helped found. And so it goes.

 

[iolo]

The Germans were not anti Semitic per se. They treated the Jews no different to any other people.

It was the Nazis who preached the pure blood of the Aryan, as opposed to every other race, but especially the Jews who they blamed for all the ills of the world. It's all written in Mein Kampf.
It's entirely different today. The only similar theme is that the Jews are still blamed for all the planets ills, but this time it's the still the Jews haters, and practically the whole Arabic world which are new Nazis

I think it's important to understand that Nazism is a variant of fascism and fascism has a given structure. Fascism assumes one's own groups natural perfection. Whenever any evidence of lack of perfection surfaces fascists never do any self-critique. Instead they find something perceived as external (within the country) to blame it on. And the target for this is utterly and completely arbitrary. The Nazis picked the Jews because the Nazis were Christian. But it could have been any group not identified as the core of whatever the fascists identify with. It's also important to realise that this core is completely fluid and arbitrary. Eventually, of course, the blame game will continue until there's nobody left to blame it on. So it's important to understand that the Nazi hatred of Jews would only keep going as long as there were Jews to blame it on. Once they were all gone the target would move on to the next group.

The communist fascist varieties are the most extreme. Pol Pot's Cambodia tried finding the enemy from within until half the country had been killed. It didn't stop until (the very weak) Cambodia was invaded and forced them to stop. USSR under Stalin is another good example. But Pol Pot takes the prize. But similar things goes on in Iran. Did in Libya under Gadaffi, Iraq under Saddam and Afghanistan under the Taliban.

The Nazi movement sprung from the Thule society. The Thule society were a bunch of pseudo-pagan nationalistic mystics. It's leader Sebottendorf was not an anti-semite. When the Thule society went main-stream under the guise of NSDAP it attracted a lot of Christians. This is when the anti-semitism started to emerge, and when Hitler came into prominence in the movement. Sebottendorf came into conflict with Hitler over this (he was a staunch anti-anti-semite) and led to Sebottendorf getting kicked out from the movement he had helped found. And so it goes.

The Nazis were able to defend capitalism by using racism of this kind because it was already widespread. Hitler learned his trade from the 'Anti-Semite' mayor of Vienna, and all the people who lived in German-speaking lands back then testify to the Iraeli-like racism that was so prevalent.

 

[maxparrish]

If you notice, anti immigration parties are making big inroads into many EU countries governments that have big influxes of the alien culture of Islam. It's bound to get even more anti muslim politicians elected in future. The general public have no other way to fight back except through the ballot box in the defence of Western culture except to organised vigilantes attacking so called "refugee" camps, which also is growing.

You could have said the same thing in Germany in the 1930s about parties opposed to the 'alien cuture' of Judaism. Do you honestly think that it was a good idea then for German voters to support National Socialism, to defend against this 'menace'? Do you honestly not see that the situation today is almost a perfect parallel to the situation then - with the significant difference that the German supporters of National Socialism had the excuse of not having seen where this attitude leads?

I expect that the anti-immigration parties in Europe will also make the trains run on time, and give people back a sense of pride in their nation. History tells us that this is NOT a good thing.

Anyone familiar with American history knows that your generalization is bunk, unless you are saying that Germans are a "special" breed of people prone to renewed genocidal ideology. Is that what you are selling?

If not, be reminded that the US has had periods of highly restrictive immigration without a resultant 'fascist' regime. For example, the 1920s legislation that ceased the turn of the century waves of eastern and southern european, and Chinese immigration to the US. Half a decade later FDR became President.

In the early 50s, President Eisenhower cleaned out millions of illegals in Operation Wetback, reasserting border control.

Rather, what history constantly teaches us is that when a nation is subjected to vast numbers of foreigners, especially within a shorter time frame, a great many harms are visited on the well-being of the native population. The mass migrations of tribes into the Roman territories, the mass migration from Europe into the new world, the Jewish return to Palestine, the British migration to Australia, etc. .

Germans, for generations taught the shame of fascism, are stripped of their moral authority. Apparently they feel compelled to pursue altruistic policies, even if it results in significant and permanent harm to native Germans. Fortunately, there are other Germans unwilling to let their identity, culture, social, and economic well being sink without a fight.

I can see little reason for Germany or Sweden to accept and support a permanent underclass of millions of migrants...other than to avoid (German) tutored pathological guilt.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Max is right the 1920s were the high point in racial equality in the United States what with everything separate and equal.

 

[maxparrish]

Max is right the 1920s were the high point in racial equality in the United States what with everything separate and equal.

Odd, I thought I was right that the laws did not cause a rise in Nazi ideology and a takeover, but it did end much of the social, political, and economic turmoil caused by relentless immigration (including much labor strife).

 

[Ford]

Max is right the 1920s were the high point in racial equality in the United States what with everything separate and equal.

And there were Knights that made sure everything was okay. Lots and lots of Knights with really cool robes and hoods to keep them from getting sunburned. You gotta protect your skin when you're out there being a Knight.

 

[fromderinside]

Max is right the 1920s were the high point in racial equality in the United States what with everything separate and equal.

Odd, I thought I was right that the laws did not cause a rise in Nazi ideology and a takeover, but it did end much of the social, political, and economic turmoil caused by relentless immigration (including much labor strife).

No maxparrish. That was provocateurs taking advantage of fear rather than reality. It wasn't the immigrants at all. It was just plain fear promoted for this reason or that to gain leverage for this arm or that. And, yes, Nazis were the ones evoking ethnic fear for their advantage. People were depressed by the failure of their previous leadership and the conditions of the armistice which raped much of German wealth and infrastructure. So this and that were those. The templates provided by the Nazis were for cleansing and blame on the more or less innocent minorities. Rational options were available except the extremists sabotaged them with Putsches and assassinations. Never repeat Nazis were just given control. They weren't. They stole it.

 

[maxparrish]

Odd, I thought I was right that the laws did not cause a rise in Nazi ideology and a takeover, but it did end much of the social, political, and economic turmoil caused by relentless immigration (including much labor strife).

No maxparrish. That was provocateurs taking advantage of fear rather than reality. It wasn't the immigrants at all. It was just plain fear promoted for this reason or that to gain leverage for this arm or that. And, yes, Nazis were the ones evoking ethnic fear for their advantage. People were depressed by the failure of their previous leadership and the conditions of the armistice which raped much of German wealth and infrastructure. So this and that were those. The templates provided by the Nazis were for cleansing and blame on the more or less innocent minorities. Rational options were available except the extremists sabotaged them with Putsches and assassinations. Never repeat Nazis were just given control. They weren't. They stole it.

Your objection is not germane. Bilby suggested that "that the situation today is almost a perfect parallel to the situation then - with the significant difference that the German supporters of National Socialism had the excuse of not having seen where this attitude leads?".

Quite aside from the fact that there is not a parallel to the situation then, there is no evidence that opposition to immigration "leads" to the policies espoused by the Nazis. Those Germans taking the streets to protest Merkel's sacrifice of Germans to the benefit of foreign hordes are not in favor of concentration camps, but in keeping the waves of 3rd world Muslims from squatting in German territory.

One looks forward to the day Germans regain their spine, and defend their own borders.

 

[bilby]

You could have said the same thing in Germany in the 1930s about parties opposed to the 'alien cuture' of Judaism. Do you honestly think that it was a good idea then for German voters to support National Socialism, to defend against this 'menace'? Do you honestly not see that the situation today is almost a perfect parallel to the situation then - with the significant difference that the German supporters of National Socialism had the excuse of not having seen where this attitude leads?

I expect that the anti-immigration parties in Europe will also make the trains run on time, and give people back a sense of pride in their nation. History tells us that this is NOT a good thing.

Anyone familiar with American history knows that your generalization is bunk, unless you are saying that Germans are a "special" breed of people prone to renewed genocidal ideology. Is that what you are selling?

If not, be reminded that the US has had periods of highly restrictive immigration without a resultant 'fascist' regime. For example, the 1920s legislation that ceased the turn of the century waves of eastern and southern european, and Chinese immigration to the US. Half a decade later FDR became President.

In the early 50s, President Eisenhower cleaned out millions of illegals in Operation Wetback, reasserting border control.

Rather, what history constantly teaches us is that when a nation is subjected to vast numbers of foreigners, especially within a shorter time frame, a great many harms are visited on the well-being of the native population. The mass migrations of tribes into the Roman territories, the mass migration from Europe into the new world, the Jewish return to Palestine, the British migration to Australia, etc. .

Germans, for generations taught the shame of fascism, are stripped of their moral authority. Apparently they feel compelled to pursue altruistic policies, even if it results in significant and permanent harm to native Germans. Fortunately, there are other Germans unwilling to let their identity, culture, social, and economic well being sink without a fight.

I can see little reason for Germany or Sweden to accept and support a permanent underclass of millions of migrants...other than to avoid (German) tutored pathological guilt.

Wow.

You know, I think your teachers really let you down; they should have spent much less time teaching you rhetoric and debating skills, and much more time teaching you actual history.

Flowery language is no substitute for knowledge; pitiful ignorance remains risable even when it is expressed using excessive verbiage.

Anti-immigration parties in Europe today are neo-fascist in their ideology. This would remain true even if anti-immigration organisations in the USA in the 1920s or 1950s were neither fascistic, nor racist. But of course, they were.

Your point would be irrelevant, even if it were not wrong.

 

[fromderinside]

No maxparrish. That was provocateurs taking advantage of fear rather than reality. It wasn't the immigrants at all. It was just plain fear promoted for this reason or that to gain leverage for this arm or that. And, yes, Nazis were the ones evoking ethnic fear for their advantage. People were depressed by the failure of their previous leadership and the conditions of the armistice which raped much of German wealth and infrastructure. So this and that were those. The templates provided by the Nazis were for cleansing and blame on the more or less innocent minorities. Rational options were available except the extremists sabotaged them with Putsches and assassinations. Never repeat Nazis were just given control. They weren't. They stole it.

Your objection is not germane. Bilby suggested that "that the situation today is almost a perfect parallel to the situation then - with the significant difference that the German supporters of National Socialism had the excuse of not having seen where this attitude leads?".

Quite aside from the fact that there is not a parallel to the situation then, there is no evidence that opposition to immigration "leads" to the policies espoused by the Nazis. Those Germans taking the streets to protest Merkel's sacrifice of Germans to the benefit of foreign hordes are not in favor of concentration camps, but in keeping the waves of 3rd world Muslims from squatting in German territory.

One looks forward to the day Germans regain their spine, and defend their own borders.

Yeah. What bibly wrote.