Europe will be diverse

[Ramaraksha]

No, the whole bullshit of the atheism movement started taking off with the rise of the Internet, which happened around the same time of 9/11. Greater access to information puts a strain on things like Islam, which rely on the ignorance of its followers.

what does atheism offer to people who straggling to find food 80 % of world population ?

atheism is a science fiction-cult for rebellious people

Your post is what is called - Religions kill brain cells

What does not believing in a tooth fairy have anything to do with food production? Are you saying that all religious countries are happy being fed by your Sugar Daddy God whereas Atheists suffer from hunger? Do you have any kind of education at all?

Rebellious is the right word for you - your religion views God as a Master - you are a slave hoping to please the Master and Master will then throw you a bone - a religion born when Kings ruled and the subjects/slaves got down on their knees, begging for a bone

Just primitive ideas, that's all - you can grovel all you want, there is no Magic Sugar Daddy who is being pleased

 

[bilby]

They're laughing now.

Have you noticed that in certain Muslim countries, imams are getting angrier and angrier in their anti-atheist rhetoric and that certain Muslim countries are going out of their way to publicly punish atheists for being atheist? Further, the use of words like "atheist" are being used with greater frequency in the Arab-language parts of Twitter.

It sounds like the Muslim world is starting to see a growth of atheism, although at this point that growth is probably too small to measure. The tendency of Muslims to kill ex-Muslims would of course make such a small number very hard to measure, but there is circumstantial evidence that atheism is indeed growing in Muslim-majority countries.

In Western countries, this is easier to measure, and the numbers of ex-Muslim atheists in Western countries is indeed growing.

What a wonderful and exciting time to be alive.

Wouldn't celebrate that much - first they make sure only Islam is propagated throughout the country - no other religion nor Atheism can be promoted - communist religions at their best
Second Violence has worked in the past and will work again - once Mexico was conquered by the Spanish, they put a lot of people to death and tortured others for not converting to the new white man's religion - and fast forward to today? Mexico is overwhelmingly christian - no one cares that their ancestors were mass murdered by the very same religious people - easy to make excuses - those who tortured them were not christian - there you go - with that kind of excuse one can do a lot of violence and over time it will be forgotten

Meh. Stalinism was a monolithic belief system in the USSR that outlived its founder by several decades.

Other ideas were ruthlessly suppressed; nobody was allowed to promote contrary views.

And yet the whole thing suddenly collapsed in the early 1990s; and it became clear that there were very few true believers left - throughout the USSR, everyone was pretending to be a devout communist, and even the western intelligence agencies which had spent most of a century watching the regime couldn't tell that the system was on its last legs until, almost overnight, it fell apart.

While it remains impossible to advance into positions of influence without being a devout adherent of the regime, the facade will remain, and the appearance will be one of unified support for the status quo. But when a certain critical ratio of pretenders to true believers is reached, the system can 'flip' very quickly indeed.

And the only way a regime can prevent this is to conceal from their citizens the reality about How good things are elsewhere. The USSR couldn't manage it; the North Koreans are able to do so only by essentially banning any contact with the outside world.

Once Saudis - particularly women - decide that it's better not to tolerate their oppressors, the system will fall. And the more the mullahs and imams tighten their grip, the more star systems citizens will slip through their fingers.

 

[whichphilosophy]

They're laughing now.

Have you noticed that in certain Muslim countries, imams are getting angrier and angrier in their anti-atheist rhetoric and that certain Muslim countries are going out of their way to publicly punish atheists for being atheist? Further, the use of words like "atheist" are being used with greater frequency in the Arab-language parts of Twitter.

It sounds like the Muslim world is starting to see a growth of atheism, although at this point that growth is probably too small to measure. The tendency of Muslims to kill ex-Muslims would of course make such a small number very hard to measure, but there is circumstantial evidence that atheism is indeed growing in Muslim-majority countries.

In Western countries, this is easier to measure, and the numbers of ex-Muslim atheists in Western countries is indeed growing.

What a wonderful and exciting time to be alive.

the whole bull shit of atheist movement started after 911 but it will die like hippy / hare krishna movement

Athesim has been around for thousands of years; in fact before Christianity and Islam.
Diagoras of Melos and Atheist lived during 500 BC. You could also check out Atheism in Hinduism and Buddhism.

 

[iolo]

Europe's geography insists it be diverse culturally, and this has led to an immense development of creativity and progress. Anyone who wants to turn this Continent into an undifferentiated herd doesn't understand anything about the matter.

would you spell out what do you mean by that?

Anyone, for instance, who tries to reduce the number of languages spoken, or prevent new ones entering, is working for a static, unitary society that is contrary to the whole historical spirit of the place, which has thriven on difference and complexity.

 

[Syed]

what does atheism offer to people who straggling to find food 80 % of world population ?

atheism is a science fiction-cult for rebellious people

What does any religion offer to people struggling to find food? Uh, nothing.

religion does not gave food but gave hope that next life will be better, without hope of next life their life has NO meaning ONLY to survive for food

for them atheism is MORE depressing news

so atheism is a cult for RICH and rebellious people who dont like authority

 

[Keith&Co.]

What does any religion offer to people struggling to find food? Uh, nothing.

religion does not gave food but gave hope that next life will be better,

So, still nothing, but at least they starve to death with a smile?
How is that better than simply starving to death?

without hope of next life their life has NO meaning ONLY to survive for food

it's so sad that only the idea of a completely different existence in a completely different place allows you to put any meaning on your life here...
Seriously, Syed, stop and smell the butterflies.

for them atheism is MORE depressing news

More depressing than starving to death while the god you love does jack shit about it? I doubt it.

so atheism is a cult for RICH and rebellious people who dont like authority

I'm rich?
Why did no one tell me?

 

[bilby]

religion does not gave food but gave hope that next life will be better,

So, still nothing, but at least they starve to death with a smile?
How is that better than simply starving to death?

without hope of next life their life has NO meaning ONLY to survive for food

it's so sad that only the idea of a completely different existence in a completely different place allows you to put any meaning on your life here...
Seriously, Syed, stop and smell the butterflies.

for them atheism is MORE depressing news

More depressing than starving to death while the god you love does jack shit about it? I doubt it.

so atheism is a cult for RICH and rebellious people who dont like authority

I'm rich?
Why did no one tell me?

More importantly, why did no one tell your bank manager?

 

[Syed]

religion does not gave food but gave hope that next life will be better,

So, still nothing, but at least they starve to death with a smile?
How is that better than simply starving to death?

without hope of next life their life has NO meaning ONLY to survive for food

it's so sad that only the idea of a completely different existence in a completely different place allows you to put any meaning on your life here...
Seriously, Syed, stop and smell the butterflies.

for them atheism is MORE depressing news

More depressing than starving to death while the god you love does jack shit about it? I doubt it.

so atheism is a cult for RICH and rebellious people who dont like authority

I'm rich?
Why did no one tell me?

you are a rebellious atheist

 

[Keith&Co.]

you are a rebellious atheist

Um, no, not really.
I obey rules because they are rules. Drives my wife crazy, I go the long way around in the parking lot at the credit union because they have those little arrows painted on the asphalt. Even if there are no other cars in the lot.

We dated for two years when we were stationed on the same ship and never kissed while on board. Because rules.

I'm not an atheist to rebel against what people told me. Just like I did not marry interracially in order to anger anyone. I did not join the Navy because my Dad was Army and I wanted to piss him off.

I'm an atheist because the stories stopped making sense. They exhorted me to be honest and true, and when I asked questions they acted like I was at fault for not accepting the platitudes as facts, for still having questions after being threatened with Hell.

I'm an atheist because after leaving the church in a search for the church with the REAL story on the god I still believed in, I found they were all the same. Platitudes and 'just so' stories and threats.

And this, where all you know about me is that I don't believe any of the religions you don't believe in AND I don't believe in the religion you DO believe in, and you decide that makes me a cult member, rebellious, and rich...

Well, fuck, Syed, you're not going to convince me of the difficult ideas if you can't even get this much right.

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I'm rich?
Why did no one tell me?

More importantly, why did no one tell your bank manager?

Maybe my credit union is like eHarmony?

Maybe I am rich, but they hide most of the money from atheist members out of the assumption I would not be interested in money that said 'in god we trust' on it?

 

[Keith&Co.]

You ignored this, Syed:

for them atheism is MORE depressing news

More depressing than starving to death while the god you love does jack shit about it? I doubt it.

Seriously, I think it's MUCH less depressing to starve to death in an empty, uncaring universe than it is to believe an all-powerful being watched you starve to death and did bupkes in your time of need.

I mean, in my reality, the universe isn't even a dick, it's just neutral. Why would you think it less depressing when your god does fuck-all to help his followers, other than give them an IOU for a better life...later. Maybe. If they were otherwise good enough.

 

[4321lynx]

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_SPEECH-15-5754_en.htm

Frans Timmermans, the Vice President of the European Commission, gave a speech saying that Europe is not allowed to remain majority White.


“Diversity is now in some parts of Europe seen as a threat” he said.


“Diversity comes with challenges. But diversity is humanity’s destiny.”


“There is not going to be, even in the remotest places of this planet, a nation that will not see diversity in its future. That’s where humanity is heading.”


“And those politicians trying to sell to their electorates a society that is exclusively composed of people from one culture, are trying to portray a future based on a past that never existed, therefore that future will never be.”


“Europe will be diverse, like all other parts of the world will be diverse.”


“The only question is, how do we deal with that diversity? And my answer to that is, by ensuring that our values determine how we deal with diversity and not giving up our values to refuse diversity. That will bring us down as a society.”


“If we don’t get this right, I truly believe Europe will not remain the Europe we built. Europe will not remain a place of peace and freedom, for very long.”.”......END QUOTE


two hundreds from NOW i believe the future will be border-less country , ALL human will be MIX race, english will be human's mother tongue, head of state will be computer, ONLY UNITED NATIONS would own arm military

nice to be back

Nice to see you back. How was Al-Raqqah?

And will diversity extend to Mecca? And will female tourists wearing short shorts and tank tops be allowed to visit the mosque there and take selfies with the primitives circling that black stone during the Haj season? And will Americans be able to turn the Emirates into a Califlorida and buy up seafront land? Or will the Chinese, Japanese and Hindu Indians beat them to it? And will pigs fly? And will there be pigfarms run by the imams ? And... and...and...

 

[funinspace]

Meh...the earth will more likely be destroyed before then, by the Vogons in order to complete a hyperspace bypass...

 

[sdelsolray]

What does any religion offer to people struggling to find food? Uh, nothing.

religion does not gave food but gave hope that next life will be better, without hope of next life their life has NO meaning ONLY to survive for food

for them atheism is MORE depressing news

so atheism is a cult for RICH and rebellious people who dont like authority

I see you remain addicted to willful ignorance, logical fallacies and xenophobia.

That must be depressing.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

No, the whole bullshit of the atheism movement started taking off with the rise of the Internet, which happened around the same time of 9/11. Greater access to information puts a strain on things like Islam, which rely on the ignorance of its followers.

what does atheism offer to people who straggling to find food 80 % of world population ?

atheism is a science fiction-cult for rebellious people

It doesn't do anything for them. It's a statement about one's lack of belief in gods. Think of it like how beer bottles don't do a whole lot to help combat climate change because they're spending all their time just sitting there holding beer and being a completely unrelated subject.

 

[Syed]

what does atheism offer to people who straggling to find food 80 % of world population ?

atheism is a science fiction-cult for rebellious people

It doesn't do anything for them. It's a statement about one's lack of belief in gods. Think of it like how beer bottles don't do a whole lot to help combat climate change because they're spending all their time just sitting there holding beer and being a completely unrelated subject.

an ideology does have any thing to offer to its believers that ideology would not survive for too long
so atheism will die out soon after war on terror end

 

[Keith&Co.]

It doesn't do anything for them. It's a statement about one's lack of belief in gods. Think of it like how beer bottles don't do a whole lot to help combat climate change because they're spending all their time just sitting there holding beer and being a completely unrelated subject.

an ideology does have any thing to offer to its believers that ideology would not survive for too long
so atheism will die out soon after war on terror end

So, if atheism doesn't offer 'hope for an afterlife,' you feel it offers nothing to nonbelievers.
Except for the freeing up of time not spent on pilgrimages, not spent in worship.
Except for the increase in choice on where to donate my charity, if any (atheists don't have the Atheist-bishop appeals, we don't ALL support cancer research, we don't tithe).
Except for the freedom of association (SOME atheists have expressed discontent with my chosen life partner, but none of those people have said we're both burning in Hell for making the choice)(And if another atheist sees me at an adult bookstore we don't have to pretend we don't recognize each other).


So atheism does have things to offer nonbelievers.
And most of the things your religion offers you are all in your head, anyway...

 

[Infinite Monkey]

an ideology does have any thing to offer to its believers that ideology would not survive for too long
so atheism will die out soon after war on terror end

You believe things based on what they offer you?

If another religion came around which offered you everything that Islam offers you, PLUS a nice hug, would you convert? The benefit package is better than what Islam is offering, right?

 

[skepticalbip]

It doesn't do anything for them. It's a statement about one's lack of belief in gods. Think of it like how beer bottles don't do a whole lot to help combat climate change because they're spending all their time just sitting there holding beer and being a completely unrelated subject.

an ideology does have any thing to offer to its believers that ideology would not survive for too long
so atheism will die out soon after war on terror end

That is true. Religion offers the promise of protecting believers from the hideous tortures of hell that it claims their "merciful" god will inflict on them if they don't believe and obey.

Believers are apparently so frightened by the threat of hell that they can't imagine what those who don't believe in such nonsense are thinking. However they could easily understand what atheist are thinking if they only examined their own non-beliefs - I know of no Muslims who believe in or fear retribution from Odin, Thor, Baal, etc. etc. Atheists just don't believe in and fear only one less god than them.

So since there is absolutely no more reason to believe that there is an Allah who will torment nonbelievers than that there is to believe that there is Baal who will torment those who do not believe in him, atheists are free to really enjoy some of the joys of life that Allah supposedly condemns people for, like enjoying a BBQ pork sandwich and a beer or frolicking on a beach with bikini clad girls, etc, etc, etc.

 

[Syed]

Syed
an ideology does have any thing to offer to its believers that ideology would not survive for too long
so atheism will die out soon after war on terror end

Infinite Monkey
You believe things based on what they offer you?

no, but atheism does not claimed to TRUTH nor does it offer any benefit

If another religion came around which offered you everything that Islam offers you, PLUS a nice hug, would you convert? The benefit package is better than what Islam is offering, right?

yes, if it makes more sense than islam why not?

 

[Syed]

Keith&Co

So atheism does have things to offer nonbelievers.
And most of the things your religion offers you are all in your head, anyway

your wife love you is just in your head but you glad that she love you, without her love in your head you would go insane ( most of us )