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FYI, I was mocking you.

I don't really need to type things into my browser and read them because I've already studied German history. It was part of that whole "earning a degree in history" thing that I did. It involved lots of research and reading many of these things called "books."

Maybe you should look them up. Type the word into your browser...
Ford,
Just a warning, I especially enjoy smashing the various cults of those who have a status quo supporting "Bo Peep" diploma. What makes it especially satisfying is that I dropped out of high school in my third year with three years of credits to make up for.

Well at least you admit to being uneducated.


I have written many threads at many forums.

I have as well. So have lots of people. Many uneducated people like yourself have latched onto absurd conspiracy theories and clung to them with all their might. Yet number of posts in forums does not an expert make. You're just an uneducated person with time on their hands.

I was only successfully refuted in one of them. It was a rather flippant thread in which I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.

If you're trying to impress me, it isn't working.

I have debated hundreds of people. With many hundreds more back and forth debates. Nobody was ever able to sucessfully refute anything I said in any of my other threads.

Links to these debates would be helpful. If things are as you claim, you should be proud to show us all when and where you trounced people with more education than yourself.

I can't wait for you to try too.

Try what? You apparently don't understand how this works. Not surprising for a dropout. You came here and made a pretty big assertion. It is on you to back up that assertion with evidence.

You could find your holocaust affirming cult smashed.

Or as I like to call it, long-established and well-documented historical fact.


The title of your OP is "Everything I Learned About WW II is a lie!" Based upon your posts so far, you have not learned anything about WWII, nor about German history generally, nor about the Holocaust specifically.
 

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Well, just for starters, there was this:
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And this:
The Commissar Order (German: Kommissarbefehl) was an order issued by Adolf Hitler on 6 June 1941 before Operation Barbarossa. Its official name was Guidelines for the Treatment of Political Commissars (Richtlinien für die Behandlung politischer Kommissare). It demanded that any Soviet political commissar identified among captured troops be summarily executed as an enforcer of the Communist ideology and the Soviet Communist Party line in military forces.
(source)

These are well documented; the Third Reich was a very modern and well organised bureaucracy, and as a result, orders were widely copied and distributed. Many copies still exist.

bilby,
Orders to execute enemy soldiers under certain conditions is far from rare in warfare.
True; but that doesn't alter the facts - you asked " What makes you think Hitler caused anybody to be executed", and I have provided evidence that Hitler did, indeed, cause people to be executed.

That's how debate works - you show evidence supporting the asserions you make; and you show evidence refuting the assertions made by your opponent.

If you simply assert without evidence; or you ignore refutations as though they never happened; or you engage in logical fallacies, then you have lost the debate - whether or not you admit this to yourself or others.
Next, as far as executing Russians, the more of those barbaric brainwashed animals were killed, the better.
This is another unsupported claim - you have not shown that it is good that Russians were killed, nor that they were barbaric, brainwashed or animals. You need to provide evidence, or your assertions are worthless.
Next, do you remember my saying that the victors write history?
Yes.
Not to say what you mentioned was fake.
Then don't mention it. :confused2:
But do you suppose the victors might include forgery to see that theur version of history prevails?
Anything 'might' happen. You need to provide evidence - otherwise your implications are valueless. Do you have evidence that the victors in WWII forged the evidence for the Kommandobefehl or the Kommissarbefehl? If so, then present it. Innuendo is not evidence. Hints are not evidence. Possibility is not evidence.
Also, after the war the U.S. dumped huge amounts of money into European countries that it controlled under the Marshall plan. Who in their right mind that would like part of that money or be grateful for benifiting from any part of it say anything aginst the American version of things.
If all of the people who claim that the holocaust took place were beneficiaries of the US Marshall Plan, then they might have a motive for bias. But that is far from being the case - and even if it was, it takes more than money to keep most people quiet. The Marshall Plan is long gone. Like all conspiracy theories, yours relies on the idea that huge numbers of people with little or no motive to lie, and with a huge incentive to reveal the truth, choose to remain silent.

Human nature is just not like that.
 

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The fifteen results for "Old Red Cross documents that list concentration camp deaths" are copies of your opening post.

I wish i could even say it was a surprise....

So, even if this is true, which i really doubt, what's the goal, here?
The Nazis were NOT so evil that they wiped out the equivalent of the entire population of Paraguay for racist politics, but they wiped out the entire population of Boise...for the same bullshit reason? Does that make them any less evil, or just lazier?
Keith&Co,
Copies of my post? What in the hell are you takling about.
I am takling about putting the phrase you suggested into google and all that came up were fifteen posts that parroted the OP you posted. Nothing about an actual document just your posting.
I found them long before I ever mentioned them anywhere.
Maybe so, maybe no. But your posted suggestion only returns fairly close copies of the OP.
Admittedly, I don't read or speak German.
Neither do I.
You did not mention that we needed to put a German phrase into the search engine.
I had to take the word of the people who posted the documents
Ah. So, either everything you know about WWII is a lie, or everything you know about these documents you cannot read is a lie.

Good to know.
who say that they show the "concentration camp" deaths of Jews to only have been about 271,000.
Okay. Now, is that the total death of all Jews in that document you haven't actually read, or is it possibly only the German Citizens who died in the camps, or maybe the Jews killed over a certain period of time?
Who can say?




Evidently, not you.......




Not 6 million. Next, is the population of Paraguay or Bosie 271,000?
No, the population of Paraguay is about 6 million. Boise is close to 217,000.
Am I missing something?
Whoo dang, yes.
Your entire point is missing.
 

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I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.
I find 'accused' and 'negro' terribly telling words in that sentence.

Why is interracial dating an 'accusation?'
What's the point of 'accusing' a white woman of dating a 'Negro?'
 

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Denying the Holocaust is, to my mind, as obscene as advocating sex with minors.
Why is this thread still in existence? Freedom of speech? Does nobody among the Admins here know the difference between freedom and licence" As in "Licence, they mean when Freedom they cry" ?
Denial of the Holocaust is a crime in Germany. Are you going to allow the neonazis to have a stage for their obscenity here?

NB. I AM REPORTING MY OWN POST FOR THE ADMINS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION.
I refuse to read or take part in this obscene pantomime.
 

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I was going to say 'good point' and report your post as well, but i made the report message 'good point.'

ah, well, they'll figure it out. The mods here are a least as educated as cultsmashers. Probably a good deal more so, what with their grasp of grammar and spelling and shit.
 

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Holocaust Deniers: Why Would They Lie

There is debate as to whether or not the holocaust killed 6 million Jews. Unfortunately there are those who deny the holocaust who also suppoert wildly crackpot conspiracy theories such as the moon landings being faked, the U.S. being behind the 9-11 attacks, etc. So it makes getting at any real truth even more difficult. Maybe a good approach would be to come up with the reasons I can think of as to why somebody would lie and say that the holocaust was largely a hoax and to come up with the reasons I can think of as to why somebody would lie and say that the holocaust was real. Then you can compare the two.

Why Would Somebody Lie and Say the Holocaust was a hoax.

1. To make money. There are many people who write books and give lectures to make money by supporting all sorts of conspiracies. Holocaust denial would fit right in.
2. To cover their guilt for having killed so many "innocent" people. Which is no reason to me. Because as far as I'm concerned, even if 6 million Jews were killed, it wasn't nearly enough.
3. To help sell the idea of White patriotism not being so bad by saying that White patriots didn't kill as many Jews as is generally believed.
4. Those who don't like the Jews would likely be interested in slandering them by saying that they largely made up the whole holocaust thing.

Why Would Somebody Lie By Saying The Holocaust Happened.

1. in 1933, a newspaper headline appeared that said, "Judea Declares War On Germany." As I quoted before, "In war, truth is the first casualty."
2. Jews control the movie industry. They may have even have had a lot of influence in raido broadcasting. This gave them a huge "soapbox" to stand on and spew their lies. And once lies are established, they are hard to go back on.
3. To take revenge on the Germans for having dared to deport the "chosen of GOD!!!"
4. Jews received reparations for the whole "holocaust" thing. As far as I know, they're still being made. If the holocaust was ever shown to be a fraud, those payments would dry up. They might even have to pay back money that was paid.
5. The U.S. might lessen it's funding of Israel. A country that it already gave nuclear weapons to.
6. By playing the "pity card," Jews are able to get away with much more.
7. For many Christians, a good way to prove the power of their imaginary god is to support the Jewish people.
8. If the holocaust was ever disproven, Jews might again be persecuted.
9. National Socialism was economically sucessful. Capitalisn wasn't and isn't. To support "The American Way," it would be very helpful to discredit national socialism in any way possible.
10. Stalin was the real monster. In the early 30's, he caused up to 10 million Ukrainians to starve to death. He didn't even need "death camps" to do it. Not to mention his many other atrocities. The holocaust and other things could be supported so that the U.S. doesn't look so bad for having supported Stalin.
11. If the holocaust was ever disproved, most people would feel extremely suckered. They would lose even more faith in the U.S. government.
12. German National Socialism wasn't into the whole multiethnic society thing. But that was and increasingly is being shoved down American's throats. So for the U.S. to promote its multiethnic society, they had to discredit the German White Patriot National Socialist system. Etc.

As you can see, the U.S. has many reasons to promote the idea of there having been a holocaust. It also has many reasons to go to whatever lengths are necessary to see that it is believed. What is that compared to the few people who seek out the truth for the truth's sake. But I support the truth. Because those who believe in a false history are doomed to suffer the same fate themselves.
 

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So, you're doomed to have a false history? That doesn't sound like a particularly bad doom.

You could have been doomed to an office job without a future or something.
 

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I like the way that the 1940s U.S. Government lied about the Holocaust in order to promote a multiethnic society.
 

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Everything you learned about WWII was a lie? There was no war with Japan? Who did not kill millions of Chinese.And,my uncle was not wounded by a German mine in France ?My father did not help supply the Army and Marines in the South Pacific while in the US Coast Guard?

Hasta la vista,dude!
 

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As I jam on to the sounds of Rammstein’s Reise Reise in the background...I am bemused by the spectacle before me. Keith, the estimated population of Boise is now only roughly 214k (so go suck my S&M ORGASMic head :D ) not 217k.

The wild wild web is a funny beast, looking at some boasting from just six months ago, it seems that even a HS dropout can master cut-n-paste:
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=230878
A couple people came close, but no cigar. The only time I was wrong was when I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.
Who the fuck says ‘negro’ anymore’? Are thou sucking in a King James Time Warp? It’s just a jump to the left…

And WTF is “white patriotism”, coming from a guy that is about as WASP as one gets, as my mommy traced my bloodline back to 10-15 families of the Mayflower interfamily sexcapades…oh shit what is that very quiet noise….good Zeus it is the black helo dudes about to take me off to the FEMA MallWart camps…bye world…………………………………….
 

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Of course it lacks credible evidence. Dead men tell no tales.
Bodies tell tales. And the killer tell tales. Something of that magnitude could not be hidden. Which is why the informed world knows that the Nazis killed an estimated 11 million "undesirables" of which around 6 million were Jews.
I have something else that is incredible for you to look up. In your browser, search engine or whatever. It's called, "The Betrayal of the Cossacks." Then tell me more about your "greatest generation."
This response is more than 3 credits shy of a relevant response to anything in this thread. I have made no claims about the "greatest generation". We are discussing your ridiculous and undocumented claim that less than 300,000 Jews were killed by the Nazis.
 

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As you can see, the U.S. has many reasons to promote the idea of there having been a holocaust.


You might want to take this up with Germany. You may have heard of this country. It is the one that actually perpetrated the incident in question. It may have escaped your notice, but they are pretty well convinced that they did in fact round up millions of Jews, herd them into camps, and systematically murder them.


If there was one country on the planet that had a motivation for some Holocaust denying, it would be Germany.


But if you ask them, they'll say "yeah, totally fucking did that."
 

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There is debate as to whether or not the holocaust killed 6 million Jews.
'Debate' in that sentence is as ludicrous as 'accused' is in the other one you posted.
Why Would Somebody Lie By Saying The Holocaust Happened.

2. Jews control the movie industry. They may have even have had a lot of influence in raido broadcasting. This gave them a huge "soapbox" to stand on and spew their lies. And once lies are established, they are hard to go back on.
Hey, cultist, this is kind of a way that the Jews might have spread their lies.
It's not really a reason WHY they might have lied.
8. If the holocaust was ever disproven, Jews might again be persecuted.
Ah. Because after WWII there were no restricted clubs.
You need to revamp your posts, cultie.

Try having a point and sticking to it.
 

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5. The U.S. might lessen it's funding of Israel. A country that it already gave nuclear weapons to.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Israel steal nuclear technology from us?
 

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I like the way that the 1940s U.S. Government lied about the Holocaust in order to promote a multiethnic society.

Given that the idea of a multi-ethnic society didn't really gain any traction for another two decades, I would say that it shows a level of forward thinking that is sadly lacking in government these days.
 

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I like the way that the 1940s U.S. Government lied about the Holocaust in order to promote a multiethnic society.

Given that the idea of a multi-ethnic society didn't really gain any traction for another two decades, I would say that it shows a level of forward thinking that is sadly lacking in government these days.


Well, see...that's why the Jews that control Hollywood stepped in!
 

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2. To cover their guilt for having killed so many "innocent" people. Which is no reason to me. Because as far as I'm concerned, even if 6 million Jews were killed, it wasn't nearly enough.

Surprise factor zero. Holocaust deniers are generally people who want to see it continued.

However, you have the reasoning wrong here--it's not guilt, but rather that they realize how society views genocide and the history of the holocaust shows what can happen when they get their way.

Also, most people don't want to admit to being for genocide.

Why Would Somebody Lie By Saying The Holocaust Happened.

1. in 1933, a newspaper headline appeared that said, "Judea Declares War On Germany." As I quoted before, "In war, truth is the first casualty."

Judea wasn't a nation at that time, it couldn't declare war on Germany or anybody else.

2. Jews control the movie industry. They may have even have had a lot of influence in raido broadcasting. This gave them a huge "soapbox" to stand on and spew their lies. And once lies are established, they are hard to go back on.

Control the movie industry? I would think the movie industry would be more positive towards them if that were the case.

I haven't paid attention to radio in a long time, the current world press is certainly anti-Jewish. (Although in most cases I think this is simply an example of news organizations slanting the news in the direction the majority of their listeners want--and there are nearly 100x as many Muslims as Jews in the world.)

3. To take revenge on the Germans for having dared to deport the "chosen of GOD!!!"

Huh?

4. Jews received reparations for the whole "holocaust" thing. As far as I know, they're still being made. If the holocaust was ever shown to be a fraud, those payments would dry up. They might even have to pay back money that was paid.

Reparations?? No, what they have received is a return of stolen property. You can't return stolen property without it first being stolen.

5. The U.S. might lessen it's funding of Israel. A country that it already gave nuclear weapons to.

The holocaust was around long before there was any funding of Israel.

8. If the holocaust was ever disproven, Jews might again be persecuted.

And they aren't persecuted now??

9. National Socialism was economically sucessful. Capitalisn wasn't and isn't. To support "The American Way," it would be very helpful to discredit national socialism in any way possible.

The Holocaust was about Hitler, not National Socialism.

10. Stalin was the real monster. In the early 30's, he caused up to 10 million Ukrainians to starve to death. He didn't even need "death camps" to do it. Not to mention his many other atrocities. The holocaust and other things could be supported so that the U.S. doesn't look so bad for having supported Stalin.

If we even did support him (I'm not addressing this one way or the other) it's moot as people certainly don't realize it.

12. German National Socialism wasn't into the whole multiethnic society thing. But that was and increasingly is being shoved down American's throats. So for the U.S. to promote its multiethnic society, they had to discredit the German White Patriot National Socialist system. Etc.

Once again, you have your timelines messed up.

As you can see, the U.S. has many reasons to promote the idea of there having been a holocaust. It also has many reasons to go to whatever lengths are necessary to see that it is believed. What is that compared to the few people who seek out the truth for the truth's sake. But I support the truth. Because those who believe in a false history are doomed to suffer the same fate themselves.

Truth? Your words read like a fanatic. Fanatics don't search for the truth, they search for things that confirm what they have already decided is true.
 

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This is not fanaticism, it's a psychosis, similar to any other inability to comprehend reality.
 

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People don't have to be deliberately lying to spread messages that aren't true.

Look at every religion throughout history. Almost all of them have contradictory messages so we know that at least a majority of them are spreading messages that aren't true. But are they lying? No. They are simply wrong. Believers were told a message and then didn't spend the time necessary to verify it. Perhaps because they were lazy or gullible or forced to, or because it was part of their culture, or part of their peer group.

Lots of people are wrong for countless reasons.

It only takes one liar with one twisted motive to spread a false message that attracts millions of believers.

Cultsmasher. Have you really done the research necessary to verify that your message isn't wrong? Can you explain and provide the evidence you collected in support of and against the attrocities the Nazis are accused of?
 

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What I find particularly ironic about such conspiracy theorists is that, although they believe we have all been lied to, they accept without question any statement contradicting the official record. Don't they even think to question the source of their new information, if that source itself may be a conspiracy with ulterior motives?

Especially how they'll accept stuff that's ludicrous on it's face. I'm thinking of the molten piece of steel they pulled from the wreckage of the twin towers. I would really like to know how to pick up a liquid by gripping the top of it!

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What I find particularly ironic about such conspiracy theorists is that, although they believe we have all been lied to, they accept without question any statement contradicting the official record. Don't they even think to question the source of their new information, if that source itself may be a conspiracy with ulterior motives?

I'm always suspicious of someone who says, "everything is a lie."

It's just projection at work. What they really mean is everything I say is a lie.
 

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You just wasted 6 hours on lies.
Loren Pechtel,
You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. Have you ever seen any of those TV shows they have on about the Nazis or the holocaust? I know that it is absolutely incredible that such things should be shown in "The Land of the Free and the Home of the Brave." But it is all lying propaganda horseshit! They are lying right to your FACE! With apparent pride I might add. It's utterly disgusting!

It's only because this is the land of the free that people are permitted to speak falsehoods like this.

Take the lampshade made out of Jewish skin. It was PROVEN to be bullshit on a couple of occasions long ago. Also, in the documentary they have a Jew who investigated the holocaust. They SHOW him talkibng to a person at Auschwitz who ran the holocaust memorial museum there. That person TOLD him that the gas chamber there was made to look like a gas chamber after the war by the Russians. Etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

So, someone claimed it was human skin. That doesn't constitute proof.

This all brings up quite a paradox. I bet you feel pretty normal. But you are utterly brainwashed and delusional. So how can you be that way and still feel "normal." Need more proof? Go to your google browser and type in, "How many Jews were deported under The Haavara Agreement." A couple websites down, you will find that question basically asked. It is hosted by "Yahoo, answers." In it, they have what they call, "The Best Answer." The person who wrote it said that 60 to 70% of German Jews were deported to Palestine. Clearly, Hitler's goal was to deport Jews. Not exterminate them. How many of those propaganda TV shows have you seen that even mentioned the haavara agreement.

Sorry, my parents were both psychologists (teaching and limited practice)--it's going to be pretty hard to brainwash me without my recognizing what's up. I've been exposed to actual brainwashing once, I watched just about everyone around me fall for it hook, line and sinker but it was totally obvious to me what was going on. I later met one other who also saw through it--they likewise came from a background of a close relative who was a psychologist.

As for that question--it seriously fails to hit the mark. From what I'm seeing the answer is at least in the ballpark but so what? There were 500k Jews in Germany before it all started, if 2/3 of them got out before the genocide that says nothing about the 5M+ outside Germany who didn't flee in time.
 

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The fifteen results for "Old Red Cross documents that list concentration camp deaths" are copies of your opening post.

I wish i could even say it was a surprise....

So, even if this is true, which i really doubt, what's the goal, here?
The Nazis were NOT so evil that they wiped out the equivalent of the entire population of Paraguay for racist politics, but they wiped out the entire population of Boise...for the same bullshit reason? Does that make them any less evil, or just lazier?
Keith&Co,
Copies of my post? What in the hell are you takling about. I found them long before I ever mentioned them anywhere. Admittedly, I don't read or speak German. I had to take the word of the people who posted the documents who say that they show the "concentration camp" deaths of Jews to only have been about 271,000. Not 6 million. Next, is the population of Paraguay or Bosie 271,000? Am I missing something?

Does it occur to you that we aren't sheep? We actually are prone to checking claims. You gave us a specific phrase to type into Google--and everything that comes up is your post or variations on it. No actual red cross documents. Removing the quotes produces a greater variety of variations on it but no documents down to the point that the hits were obviously spurious.

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Eyewitness testimony is the lowest rank of evidence.

And it's even lower rank when you can't be sure that your "eyewitness" really is a witness at all. It's easy enough for a crackpot to trot out a fake witness for a documentary.

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As an aside, I have met some survivors of those camps and liberators of those camps. I seriously doubt they are the liars or fakers you are implicitly claiming.

ETA: this site (http://www.nationalww2museum.org/lea...holocaust.html) has the estimated lower and upper bounds of Jews killed by the Nazis by nationality. In addition, another 5 million non-Jews (homosexuals, Roma, political prisoners, Communists and other "undesirables") died in concentration and extermination camps.

Yeah, thinking about it my mother's college roommate also knew some survivors. It's way too late to ask her for details, though.

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I don't know anything about Dutch Jews. Where they might have gone or where they might have ended up. But if Hitler didn't exterminate most of the German Jews, I doubt if he did the so with the Dutch Jews. There is only one thing I do know. That whatever you may have learned about WW II is a lie. For example, there is what I was telling somebody else around here. Between 1915 and 1939, there were several articles that appeared in various newspapers. They talked about something bad happening to 6 million Jews. I guess if a lie works, stick with it.

In the documentary I mentioned, they talked about a couple people who did tests for traces of Zyklon B in the gas chambers of Auschwitz. None was found. But in rooms that were known to have used Zyklon B to disinfect clothing, the readings went right off the chart. Another "death camp" where gas was never used was Buchenwald. If gas wan't used to kill Jews in those places, it is highly unlikely that it was used anywhere to exterminate hordes of Jews.

And you consider yourself qualified to argue this issue???

The vast majority of Jews that Hitler killed weren't German in the first place! If you don't know what happened to non-German Jews you certainly don't know he didn't kill 6M Jews.
 

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As I jam on to the sounds of Rammstein’s Reise Reise in the background...I am bemused by the spectacle before me. Keith, the estimated population of Boise is now only roughly 214k (so go suck my S&M ORGASMic head :D ) not 217k.

The wild wild web is a funny beast, looking at some boasting from just six months ago, it seems that even a HS dropout can master cut-n-paste:
http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=230878
A couple people came close, but no cigar. The only time I was wrong was when I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.
Who the fuck says ‘negro’ anymore’? Are thou sucking in a King James Time Warp? It’s just a jump to the left…

And WTF is “white patriotism”, coming from a guy that is about as WASP as one gets, as my mommy traced my bloodline back to 10-15 families of the Mayflower interfamily sexcapades…oh shit what is that very quiet noise….good Zeus it is the black helo dudes about to take me off to the FEMA MallWart camps…bye world…………………………………….


http://vnnforum.com/showthread.php?t=230878

My avarar was a picture of Hitler.

Wow, what a great pick-up line. Bookmarked!
 

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Just a warning, I especially enjoy smashing the various cults of those who have a status quo supporting "Bo Peep" diploma. What makes it especially satisfying is that I dropped out of high school in

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Here, go smash yourself. You're a cult--the Holocaust Denial cult.
 

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Orders to execute enemy soldiers under certain conditions is far from rare in warfare. Next, as far as executing Russians, the more of those barbaric brainwashed animals were killed, the better. Next, do you remember my saying that the victors write history? Not to say what you mentioned was fake. But do you suppose the victors might include forgery to see that theur version of history prevails? Also, after the war the U.S. dumped huge amounts of money into European countries that it controlled under the Marshall plan. Who in their right mind that would like part of that money or be grateful for benifiting from any part of it say anything aginst the American version of things.

1) Commandos in uniform should be treated as prisoners of war.

2) You made the claim that Hitler didn't cause anyone to be executed. He just presented two orders from Hitler that no doubt resulted in executions.

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I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.
I find 'accused' and 'negro' terribly telling words in that sentence.

Why is interracial dating an 'accusation?'
What's the point of 'accusing' a white woman of dating a 'Negro?'

We are obviously dealing with a Stormfront type.

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Denying the Holocaust is, to my mind, as obscene as advocating sex with minors.
Why is this thread still in existence? Freedom of speech? Does nobody among the Admins here know the difference between freedom and licence" As in "Licence, they mean when Freedom they cry" ?
Denial of the Holocaust is a crime in Germany. Are you going to allow the neonazis to have a stage for their obscenity here?

NB. I AM REPORTING MY OWN POST FOR THE ADMINS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION.
I refuse to read or take part in this obscene pantomime.

I see no reason this thread shouldn't exist, although I do think a move to Pseudoscience is in order.
 

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Everything you learned about WWII was a lie? There was no war with Japan? Who did not kill millions of Chinese.And,my uncle was not wounded by a German mine in France ?My father did not help supply the Army and Marines in the South Pacific while in the US Coast Guard?

Hasta la vista,dude!

I've seen WWII bullet holes and my in-laws actually lived under Japanese occupation.
 

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What I find particularly ironic about such conspiracy theorists is that, although they believe we have all been lied to, they accept without question any statement contradicting the official record. Don't they even think to question the source of their new information, if that source itself may be a conspiracy with ulterior motives?
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I didn't accept much without question. Some of the things I looked up for myself. In the documentary I mentioned, they SHOW you examples of "camp money." Why do that for people who you just plan to exterminate as quickly as they can be brought in. In the documentary they SHOW people who were actually IN "concentration camps." They TELL you that conditions in the camps weren't as bad as they are generally made out to be.

They also SHOW a Jewish investigator question the person who RAN the Auschwitz holocaust memorial museum at the camp. That person TOLD him that their gas chamber was made to look like a gas chamber by the Russians AFTER the war. Etc. etc. etc. etc. I can't say for sure if these things are true. Because I didn't personally question these people or go to see for myself. But considering the other things I did find out on my own, I think it is likely they were telling the truth.
Yes, I understand that you believe what you are saying. That is a big part of the problem with your "research". You are obviously using google for the "research" and are looking for information that confirms your belief. That is a piss poor way to learn anything and it isn't research. I can find innumerable bits "information" on the internet to confirm almost any idiotic belief I may have. Using "information" found on the internet I can "prove" that the moon landings were hoaxed, GWB planned and was involved in the 9/11 destruction of the World Trade Center, Roosevelt conspired with the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor, Eisenhower made a deal with extra-terrestrials to allow them to abduct Americans for experimentation in exchange for their technology, "Big Oil" bought up the patent rights for a 1000 MPG carburetor and hid it from the public, etc. etc.

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I notice that your response did not address my post... except maybe to confirm it.
Don't they even think to question the source of their new information, if that source itself may be a conspiracy with ulterior motives?
I see no indication that you even attempted to confirm any of those claims with independent second or third sources. This is required for any researcher doing serious research. Anyone can find someone who says something idiotic. It should be treated as idiotic until confirmed by independent sources. The reliability of the source is every bit as important as the supposed information they give. Some of your claims are third hand hearsay - if not just unfounded claims pulled from someone's arse.
 
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Is this part of the "Jews killed Jesus" weird sort of misinformed ignorant juxtaposition of current white male supremacist?
 

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dystopian,
I don't know anything about Dutch Jews.

Of course you don't. Just like you don't know anything about world war 2; which is how you so easily fall for neo-nazi propaganda.

Edit: it just occured to me how utterly insane your statement is. You feel perfectly confident talking about the holocaust... but you don't know *anything* at about Dutch Jews? Really? REALLY? Not even a certain famous Dutch jew?


Where they might have gone or where they might have ended up.

We know exactly where ended up. The records are meticulous.


But if Hitler didn't exterminate most of the German Jews, I doubt if he did the so with the Dutch Jews.

I expect an apology for this. In this country we still have five minutes of silence every year for all the people killed in WW2. The Nazi's killed the overwhelming majority of our Jewish population. There's still people alive today who remember their neighbours getting dragged out of their homes and never being heard from again. People like you can only spew your idiotic conspiracy theories because you're ignorant of history and reality, far away from where it all happened as you are. What you're proposing is something that most people around here, myself included, would consider to be an insult against our entire country.

You have provided absolutely no coherent argument whatsoever that deals with the problem I specified. You've only repeated lies told to you by neo-nazi conspiracy nuts.
 
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Of course you don't. Just like you don't know anything about world war 2; which is how you so easily fall for neo-nazi propaganda.

Edit: it just occured to me how utterly insane your statement is. You feel perfectly confident talking about the holocaust... but you don't know *anything* at about Dutch Jews? Really? REALLY? Not even a certain famous Dutch jew?
Frankly, it is amazing and disheartening to me to see how hard people like cultsmasher will work to insure they remain ignorant.
Where they might have gone or where they might have ended up.

We know exactly where ended up. The records are meticulous.
That is one thing that has to be said about the NAZIs. They did keep meticulous records. It was those meticulous records that help convict them in Nuremburg. It's shame that cultsmasher's "research" ignores such records. But then I doubt cultsmasher would consider reading the testimony and NAZI records presented as evidence during those trials.
 

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You can believe what you want. I'm in no position to provide you with extradonary proof.
You're not even making logical sense. Hitler didn't order anyone murdered, and when he did order people murdered, well, it was wartime and shit happens.
The Jews faked well over 5 million Jewish deaths because, well, you know those Jews. All the fakes were to promote Jewish interests...but then why the other 5 million lives exterminated?
Either they were faked, too, to somehow promote Jewish interests, which you haven't explained, or they were real and the Nazis really were pretty motivated mass murderers.
You just ignore any issues that don't promote white patriotism and blame Jews for jewish patriotism. That's kinda fucked in the head, really.
But the U.S. isn't the angel you think it is.
Has anyone here tried to claim it is?

I just have to wonder exactly where this conversation you're in is actually taking place. I mean, besides entirely in your head.
 

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you know, I ran into a kid on another board. As part of the discussion of the Confederate Flag, he bragged that he knew more about American History than any of the libruls wanting to tear the flag down. He's 14 and considering dropping out of his Georgia School where they liberuls teach a false American history.

I asked him how he makes sure that the American History he's all learned up on is true and not revisionist claptrap made up by Confederacy apologists or racists.

"Well, Duh, I read people who don't take the party line."

So his method of validation is, the more it disagrees with the textbooks, the truerer it must be. Brilliant.

Strangely, he dismisses ghosts and vampires and UFOs because those things aren't IAW the King James The Books. In that case, it's God's textbook so we can trust it.
When I pointed out that the Witch of Endor certainly did raise up Ghosts in The Books, he just said that's why they burn witches. And refused to revisit his 'no ghosts in the bible' claim.

It's really hard to corner someone who'll cut off his own evidence to wriggle out of the trap...
 

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And WTF is “white patriotism”, coming from a guy that is about as WASP as one gets, as my mommy traced my bloodline back to 10-15 families of the Mayflower
It's the very funny effort of 'white power' supporters choosing a less offensive term so they can find each other and grouse about 'political correctness' ruining the language.
 

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Frankly, it is amazing and disheartening to me to see how hard people like cultsmasher will work to insure they remain ignorant.

I would also have accepted not so subtle references to Baruch Spinoza, our *other* famous Jew... but I'd have to dock points for going outside the WW2 era and probably add points for the creativity required to make a reference to him in the style you used above.
 

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I don't think that holocaust deniers like cultsmasher work hard at remaining ignorant. Ignorance is easy to attain and to maintain. Simply saying "that is bs" requires no thought and very little effort. I seriously doubt cultsmasher has read any real and vetted research on these issues. I suspect he or she is simply justifying his biases against Jews and Russians and whomever.
 

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The Jews must of had their ducks in a row, to mastermind such a conspiracy immediately after the end of WWII with the Nuremburg Trials.
You need to keep in mind two old sayings. "In war, truth is the first casualty," and "History is written by the victors." There are many conspiracy theories out there.
Yup.
Such as the moon landings being faked, the U.S. being behind the 9-11 attacks, etc. To the best of my ability to judge, what I am going to tell you isn't one of those crackpot conspiracies.
Well thank goodness. I was afraid you were going to say the Holocaust was a lie or something.
You can see something interesting by typing into your browser, "Old Red Cross documents that list concentration camp deaths." You should be able to find some old Red Cross documents that say that only about 271,000 Jews died in Nazi "concentration camps." Not 6 million.
Maybe only 271,000 Jewish died in concentration camps. But how many millions died in the Execution camps?
 

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You can see something interesting by typing into your browser, "Old Red Cross documents that list concentration camp deaths." You should be able to find some old Red Cross documents that say that only about 271,000 Jews died in Nazi "concentration camps." Not 6 million.
Maybe only 271,000 Jewish died in concentration camps. But how many millions died in the Execution camps?

I don't think that his premise is that the conspiracy is over a labelling issue of the places where they were killed as opposed to it being over the number of Jews who died. The other would be a really lame conspiracy which would only happen if the Illuminati High Chancellor's wife forced him to hire his idiot nephew and he wanted to give the kid some busywork to keep him out of everyone's hair.
 

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The Nazis killed an estimated 11 million people of which 6 milllion are estimated to be Jews. This is pretty much been established through serious research.

Laughingdog,
Here's the thing. Hitler may not have been perfect. But as far as you and most other people are concerned, he was a GOD! If the U.S. didn't do everything it could do to slander him, we would be flying a Nazi flag. Also, in the early 30's, Stalin caused up to 10 million Ukrainians to starve to death. He didn't even need "death camps" to do it. That on top of his many other atrocities. Hitler was an angel compared to Stalin. Yot who did we back. Also, what you call "serious research" I call "serious bullshit."
Yes Stalin was a bad guy, a very bad guy. And the US didn't back him. We had a tentative alliance that didn't last much past August 9th, 1945. In fact, our lack of trust is one of the main reasons for the dates of August 6th and 9th being notable in our history. The USSR was beginning to attack Japan and we didn't want any Soviet presence in Japan.

Stalin was a terrible leader, but the reality is that Hitler attacked the USSR and forcing a dual front for the Germans was definitely in the Allie's best interest.

Hitler, on the other hand was the lynch pin in a hateful campaign running up to WWII, of which itself then was the forceful attempt to improve the world through genocide and eugenics. Hitler was movie script evil. He was so bad, he is the watermark for badness that leads to countless Godwins all over the world everyday. This stuff isn't up for debate. What isn't understood by folks like you is that the Holocaust was an engineering marvel of atrocity. The Nazis could not have accomplished it without steadfast record keeping because the numbers are just mind boggling. Transportation, execution, disposal of that many bodies in such a short period of time was only possible through stringent practices and required the record keeping that was itself used against the Nazis in the trials to determine their guilt of war crimes.
 

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For example, they SHOW pictures of swimming pools they had at some internment camps. Why do that for people you just plan to exterminate. The explanation of "show camps" doesn't work very well.
Why doesn't the 'show camps' explanation work?
What's wrong with the idea of Nazi Germany trying to convince countries that it wasn't at war with that the rumors of mass slaughter were wrong, and displaying these exhibits to try to get better press?
Wauk discussed exactly that in either War and Remembrance. It seems plausible enough as an idea. What reference or evidence did you use to discard the idea?

Was that something else documented in a report written in a language you don't read?
 

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What's wrong with the idea of Nazi Germany trying to convince countries that it wasn't at war with that the rumors of mass slaughter were wrong, and displaying these exhibits to try to get better press?

What? You mean the Nazis used propaganda? I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked!
 

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What's wrong with the idea of Nazi Germany trying to convince countries that it wasn't at war with that the rumors of mass slaughter were wrong, and displaying these exhibits to try to get better press?

What? You mean the Nazis used propaganda? I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked!

offtopic; but WW2 propaganda posters are amazing no matter what side produced them.
 

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cultsmasher, using Yahoo Answers as a source does not inspire confidence in your arguments.

Like I said way back on page 2. Standards of evidence.

It looks like that answer is at least in the ballpark.

His problem is that he's using the fact that a good portion of the German Jews fled as evidence that the Jews weren't killed--not realizing that most of the dead Jews weren't German.

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I don't think that holocaust deniers like cultsmasher work hard at remaining ignorant. Ignorance is easy to attain and to maintain. Simply saying "that is bs" requires no thought and very little effort. I seriously doubt cultsmasher has read any real and vetted research on these issues. I suspect he or she is simply justifying his biases against Jews and Russians and whomever.

No, they work hard at finding sources to "confirm" their ideas.
 
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