Everything I Learned About WW II Is A LIE!

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And WTF is “white patriotism”, coming from a guy that is about as WASP as one gets, as my mommy traced my bloodline back to 10-15 families of the Mayflower

It's the very funny effort of 'white power' supporters choosing a less offensive term so they can find each other and grouse about 'political correctness' ruining the language.

Maybe I should raise a white flag

Next I should pick up a copy of the genuine photo of Hillary with a Confederate flag in her room....

 

[cultsmasher]

[Q
Give me time. I am just getting warmed up. As for this thread, nobody has sucessfully refuted me yet. But with some things, it is like debating the reality of human caused global warming with a global warming denier. No answwer you give is good enough. As for what any experts may have to say, they aren't expert enough. If you don't want to believe me, fine. Look this stuff up for yourself. But if your mindset is that 6 million Jews were gassed, I doubt if it will do any good.

So if someone refuted you, you would change your position and decide that everything you learned about WW2 is true?


My only question about all of this, is whether you believe it yourself, or are you just trying to dupe people who don't know any better? Neither is very good for you, but I'm curious.

Bronzeage,
It isn't possible for anybody to refute me. So your question is pointless. As for the rest, watch the documentary I mentioned. Do what the makers of it invite you to do at the end of it. Which is to look up the facts for yourself. Until then, don't bother me with your brainwashed opinions.

 

[laughing dog]

So if someone refuted you, you would change your position and decide that everything you learned about WW2 is true?


My only question about all of this, is whether you believe it yourself, or are you just trying to dupe people who don't know any better? Neither is very good for you, but I'm curious.

Bronzeage,
It isn't possible for anybody to refute me. So your question is pointless. As for the rest, watch the documentary I mentioned. Do what the makers of it invite you to do at the end of it. Which is to look up the facts for yourself. Until then, don't bother me with your brainwashed opinions.

Actually, you have been refuted and proven wrong a number of times. So the correct statement is "It isn't possible for me to acknowledge that anybody has refuted me."

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So if someone refuted you, you would change your position and decide that everything you learned about WW2 is true?


My only question about all of this, is whether you believe it yourself, or are you just trying to dupe people who don't know any better? Neither is very good for you, but I'm curious.

Bronzeage,
It isn't possible for anybody to refute me. So your question is pointless. As for the rest, watch the documentary I mentioned. Do what the makers of it invite you to do at the end of it. Which is to look up the facts for yourself. Until then, don't bother me with your brainwashed opinions.

Could you please make a chart and indicate which facts are true and which facts are lies? That'd make it easier to look up all the right facts.

 

[Ford]

Bronzeage,
It isn't possible for anybody to refute me. So your question is pointless. As for the rest, watch the documentary I mentioned. Do what the makers of it invite you to do at the end of it. Which is to look up the facts for yourself. Until then, don't bother me with your brainwashed opinions.

Actually, you have been refuted and proven wrong a number of times. So the correct statement is "It isn't possible for me to acknowledge that anybody has refuted me."

How I imagine he'll look after awhile...

 

[Tom Sawyer]

It's just a flesh wound

 

[cultsmasher]

I don't know if I can believe you cult smasher, because I was fooled once before.

I saw a series of films produced with intricate detail that detailed the lives of a secretive group of people living in Great Britain. These people deliberately hid in the shadows and had their own specialized schools, shops, and even transportation.

One movie showed me the actual currency that these people used apparently they distrust the pound and prefer to use gold and silver coins whenever they make transactions with one another. One movie told me the secret words they used when they would summon their buses and taxis which would shuttle them around the city of London and the surrounding countryside.

I couldn't believe that nobody had heard about these people before, but their existence started to come to light when a book was published in 1997. This book was telling expose of one of this groups most prominent and secretive schools hidden in a quaint valley north of London. I read this book and couldn't believe the startling detail and shocking acts the students and teachers would perform. Apparently this group believes in occult practices and think they can do all kinds of mystical things like foretell the future and acquire aspects of animals after they perform certain rituals.

Further research on the internet including some queries I made on AskJeeves confirmed the existence of this queer xenophobic clan.

It turns out that all the details and testimony that went into the production of the movies and books were lies. I was so disappointed. None of it was true. Spectacular dialogues with actual members of this hidden cult and it turns out they were paid actors. Even the author of the first book admitted she had made the whole thing up.

Well I swore to myself that I would never be tricked again.

From now on I need REAL evidence that can't be faked by paid actors, detailed props, and anonymous internet testimony.
Can you provide me the evidence I need cultsmasher? Or is it possible you are just as duped as I was.

Show

And that dirty J.K. Rowling and her Harry Potter books can just go rot in hell.

zorq,
Everybody has probably been fooled at times. But the real tragedy is to remain fooled. As to the reality or not of the holocaust, all I have to do is look at the sorry state of the world. But in particular, the U.S. Which I blame on Jews. Seing all the filth they are responsible for, it is just more likely that they also lied about the holocaust.

But getting down to specifics, how can you know anything apart from the sciences unless you've researched them yourself. For a poor person like me, I am limited to what can be found on the internet. Some is real and some is fake. The best you can do is weigh the evidence for yourself.

But therein lies another problem. In my thread I quoted a couple old sayings. One was, "In war, truth is the first casualty." When a lie has been established, how can you go back on it without making yourself look as bad as, or worse, than your enemy. The other old saying is, "History is written by the victors." In this case, that means the U.S. and its allies. If they chose to spout bullshit, they could flood the internet with it. No doubt they could find an endless supply of forged documents, "patriotic" experts and those willing to give false testimony. It is a minefield. But if you're careful, you can find your way through it.

As for evidence, look up "Esienhower's Holocaust." Is it true? Well after the war, just like after most other wars, the losing soldiers go home and peace is sought. But that didn't happen with the German ex-soldiers being held prisoners of ex-war. So it is most likely true. You can also enter into your google browser, "How many German Jews were deported to Palestine under The Haavara Agreement." A couple websites down, you will find that question asked. It is hosted by "Yahoo, answers." In it they have what they call "The Best Answer." It says that Germany deported 60 to 70% of it's Jews. That puts a different take on the whole "final solution" thing. But feel free to look up "The Haavara Agreement" at other websites.

There is something else that you can do. Which is to watch the documentary I mentioned. Even though it is a bit of a chore and could that three or four days to do. If you watch a little each day. Write down all of the interesting points that come up and look them up for yourself.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I love that. "If you'd just devote three or four days to looking into this obviously bullshit claim, maybe it wouldn't seem like such bullshit".

 

[Ford]

I love that. "If you'd just devote three or four days to looking into this obviously bullshit claim, maybe it wouldn't seem like such bullshit".

And to think I devoted sixteen weeks to just one class in German history...I could have been so much better off suffering through an internet documentary!

I'm going to watch this important film, then apply for a teaching position in the history department of the nearest university. After all, I'll be qualified!


They'll have no choice but to accept me...unless they're dirty Jews...

 

[cultsmasher]

bilby,
Give me time. I am just getting warmed up. As for this thread, nobody has sucessfully refuted me yet. But with some things, it is like debating the reality of human caused global warming with a global warming denier. No answwer you give is good enough. As for what any experts may have to say, they aren't expert enough. If you don't want to believe me, fine. Look this stuff up for yourself. But if your mindset is that 6 million Jews were gassed, I doubt if it will do any good.

You have yet to present anything other than bald assertions, so refutation isn't on the table - that which is asserted without evidence may be dismissed without evidence.

And you haven't answered my questions:

Why is it important to you that we should come around to your view?
What hard evidence can you present that your view is correct - and that the difference between your view and the more commonly held opinion is important or significant?
What difference would it make if you were correct?
What actions would we take, or stop taking, if we accept your assertion that 'only' a quarter million Jews were murdered by the Nazis?

bilby,
I'm not here to jump through hoops for you. But I will be getting around to some of the things you ask by and by. As for evidence for holocaust denial, watch the documentary I mentioned. When interesting points come up, write them down. Then look them up for yourself. I don't get paid anything to present you with absolute proof on a silver platter. I don't care if you believe me or not. If you are comfortable living with lies, then so be it.

 

[braces_for_impact]

So if someone refuted you, you would change your position and decide that everything you learned about WW2 is true?


My only question about all of this, is whether you believe it yourself, or are you just trying to dupe people who don't know any better? Neither is very good for you, but I'm curious.

Bronzeage,
It isn't possible for anybody to refute me. So your question is pointless. As for the rest, watch the documentary I mentioned. Do what the makers of it invite you to do at the end of it. Which is to look up the facts for yourself. Until then, don't bother me with your brainwashed opinions.

Modus Operandi. Accuse everyone else of being brainwashed. Provide little to no evidence. Claiming it's impossible to be refuted is especially telling. A Yahoo answers website and Youtube videos are not evidence. You must go to the sources of that evidence. It must be evaluated using the proper methods. Until then you're just another conspiracy nut who feels good about them self because they're one of the few that "figured it out" and "knows the Truth".

You don't seem to understand what constitutes strong or weak evidence; how to evaluate claims; how to control for bias. Any clown on the Internet can point to a website, a video, documentary, or book. You have to dig deeper than that, you have to source these things. You have to verify. Also, you have to learn what the proper methods are for evaluating and analyzing evidence and why those methods are used. It takes a lot of homework to do this right. To put it bluntly, you haven't put in the effort. To ask me to put in the effort to find the truth is unreasonable. I have NO reason to do so. It takes time and energy to evaluate claims properly. I can't spend that time on just any Alex Jones that comes strolling through our forum. Your claim thus far is that instead of six million Jews being killed in the holocaust there were only several hundred thousand? So what? What would be the motive for for such a conspiracy? What effect would it have on us today if this earth shattering truth was revealed to all? What reason do I have to look into this?

I like my beliefs to track as closely to reality as possible. I want to have as few false beliefs as I can, and as many true ones as I am able. I care about what is true. Yet, time is a precious resource for us all.

Thus far, every time I've run into someone that disputes the holocaust they turn out to be anti-Semitic. Arabs that hate Jews, KKK members that hate Jews, Neo-Nazis and so on. There may be honestly inquiring people that have no racial bias that are actually interested in this subject, but I have not met them. I know this. Most people who aren't racist would be quite uncomfortable having an Adolf Hitler Avatar, yet you seem to do so without a second thought. You also seem to be unable to hide your apologizing for one of the greatest blundering mass murderers of all time. This isn't typical. What is typical is that irrationality, ignorance and racism often going together hand in hand. You proudly flaunt the first two traits so far, even being arrogant enough to pronounce that you cannot be refuted, so you wouldn't even entertain what you would do if you were to turn out to be in error about this claim.

I suggest you look into the Dunning–Kruger effect.

Looking at your profile, you mention you're a White National Socialist. Oh dear, I think I see where your bias lies.

 

[Bronzeage]

I'm not here to jump through hoops for you. But I will be getting around to some of the things you ask by and by. As for evidence for holocaust denial, watch the documentary I mentioned. When interesting points come up, write them down. Then look them up for yourself. I don't get paid anything to present you with absolute proof on a silver platter. I don't care if you believe me or not. If you are comfortable living with lies, then so be it.

Cults,
What puzzles me about all of this is, in a world full of skeptics, the Holocaust is pretty much an accepted fact, even to the point of video taped testimony of not only survivors of the camps, but also the employees of the camps, mostly people for whom there was no apparent reward for lying.

How is it, you came out smarter than all the people who think the Holocaust is a historical fact?

By your own admission, you were fooled the first time you were told about WW2. We'll assume you were told and were not actually involved. If you were deceived the first time, how are you so sure this version is correct?

 

[cultsmasher]

Ford,
Just a warning, I especially enjoy smashing the various cults of those who have a status quo supporting "Bo Peep" diploma. What makes it especially satisfying is that I dropped out of high school in my third year with three years of credits to make up for.

Well at least you admit to being uneducated.

I have written many threads at many forums.

I have as well. So have lots of people. Many uneducated people like yourself have latched onto absurd conspiracy theories and clung to them with all their might. Yet number of posts in forums does not an expert make. You're just an uneducated person with time on their hands.

I was only successfully refuted in one of them. It was a rather flippant thread in which I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.

If you're trying to impress me, it isn't working.

I have debated hundreds of people. With many hundreds more back and forth debates. Nobody was ever able to sucessfully refute anything I said in any of my other threads.

Links to these debates would be helpful. If things are as you claim, you should be proud to show us all when and where you trounced people with more education than yourself.

I can't wait for you to try too.

Try what? You apparently don't understand how this works. Not surprising for a dropout. You came here and made a pretty big assertion. It is on you to back up that assertion with evidence.

You could find your holocaust affirming cult smashed.

Or as I like to call it, long-established and well-documented historical fact.


The title of your OP is "Everything I Learned About WW II is a lie!" Based upon your posts so far, you have not learned anything about WWII, nor about German history generally, nor about the Holocaust specifically.

Ford,
You don't want evidence. If you did, you would look up the things I suggested. Next, if you want to go there, enter "cultsmasher" into your google browser. Threads that I wrote at a number of forums should come up. Pick one and read the debates. You will find that nobody has sucessfully refuted anything I said in those threads. As for what I learned about WW II concerning the holocaust, it was largely a hoax. But if you want to believe otherwise, that's up to you.

 

[Sarpedon]

I'm not here to jump through hoops for you. But I will be getting around to some of the things you ask by and by. As for evidence for holocaust denial, watch the documentary I mentioned. When interesting points come up, write them down. Then look them up for yourself. I don't get paid anything to present you with absolute proof on a silver platter. I don't care if you believe me or not. If you are comfortable living with lies, then so be it.

And yet you came here for a reason. If the reason is not to convince people, then it is probably some internal reason. What is it about your psyche that would make you come to a group of people and yell at them, if you have no interest in actually convincing them of anything?

 

[Ford]

Ford,
You don't want evidence. If you did, you would look up the things I suggested.

I don't need to look up your threads or watch your movie or spend time reading the bullshit you've bought into because I actually studied these things in a real academic setting. I've done actual research, read more books on this one topic than you probably own altogether, and have been tested by actual experts in the subject.

If you disagree with this assessment, then you are free to step up to the plate and demonstrate the superiority of your knowledge, but be warned, neither I nor (I suspect) most people on this forum will take your credentials of "having spent time watching a movie" as proof of said superiority.


From where I sit, you are (if not an outright troll having a laugh at our expense) an uneducated rube who has a completely unearned ego, no real grasp of how to debate let alone win, and it appears you're a virulent racist to boot.


So unless you're going to provide evidence beyond "just type these words into your browser," I won't do anything more than mock you. If you really want to get into it with me, then as the kids today say..."come at me, bro." I've got a brain, an education, and historical facts on my side.


Your move.

 

[Sarpedon]

I have the feeling that just about any poster here, history degree or no, could clean this guy's clock if he but had the balls to step into the ring. Small chance of that.

 

[laughing dog]

I love that. "If you'd just devote three or four days to looking into this obviously bullshit claim, maybe it wouldn't seem like such bullshit".

You'd think that someone who spent all this time looking up what really happened in WWII could spell Eishenhower correctly.

 

[cultsmasher]

Well, just for starters, there was this:
(source)

And this:

The Commissar Order (German: Kommissarbefehl) was an order issued by Adolf Hitler on 6 June 1941 before Operation Barbarossa. Its official name was Guidelines for the Treatment of Political Commissars (Richtlinien für die Behandlung politischer Kommissare). It demanded that any Soviet political commissar identified among captured troops be summarily executed as an enforcer of the Communist ideology and the Soviet Communist Party line in military forces.

(source)

These are well documented; the Third Reich was a very modern and well organised bureaucracy, and as a result, orders were widely copied and distributed. Many copies still exist.

bilby,
Orders to execute enemy soldiers under certain conditions is far from rare in warfare.

True; but that doesn't alter the facts - you asked " What makes you think Hitler caused anybody to be executed", and I have provided evidence that Hitler did, indeed, cause people to be executed.

That's how debate works - you show evidence supporting the asserions you make; and you show evidence refuting the assertions made by your opponent.

If you simply assert without evidence; or you ignore refutations as though they never happened; or you engage in logical fallacies, then you have lost the debate - whether or not you admit this to yourself or others.

Next, as far as executing Russians, the more of those barbaric brainwashed animals were killed, the better.

This is another unsupported claim - you have not shown that it is good that Russians were killed, nor that they were barbaric, brainwashed or animals. You need to provide evidence, or your assertions are worthless.

Next, do you remember my saying that the victors write history?

Yes.

Not to say what you mentioned was fake.

Then don't mention it.

But do you suppose the victors might include forgery to see that theur version of history prevails?

Anything 'might' happen. You need to provide evidence - otherwise your implications are valueless. Do you have evidence that the victors in WWII forged the evidence for the Kommandobefehl or the Kommissarbefehl? If so, then present it. Innuendo is not evidence. Hints are not evidence. Possibility is not evidence.

Also, after the war the U.S. dumped huge amounts of money into European countries that it controlled under the Marshall plan. Who in their right mind that would like part of that money or be grateful for benifiting from any part of it say anything aginst the American version of things.

If all of the people who claim that the holocaust took place were beneficiaries of the US Marshall Plan, then they might have a motive for bias. But that is far from being the case - and even if it was, it takes more than money to keep most people quiet. The Marshall Plan is long gone. Like all conspiracy theories, yours relies on the idea that huge numbers of people with little or no motive to lie, and with a huge incentive to reveal the truth, choose to remain silent.

Human nature is just not like that.

bilby,
When I speask of executions, I of course am referring to the victims of the holocaust. You want evidence? Look up "The Haavara Agreement." Tell me what kind of "final solution" that is. Hell, Hitler had a lot to do with there being a modern state of Israel. Next, I never had anything in my thread refuted. All I hear is that my "evidence" isn't good enough. I'm not working on a doctoral theisis or writing things ment for a textbook. All I am doing it stlling people things.

For example, I say that there was no lampshade made out of Jewish skin. If you don't believe it, look it up. I say that the Russians were barbaric animals. If the Iron Curtan or Gulags isn't proof enough for you, look it up. Next, look at murdering German ex-soldiers and the Marshall plan. The carrot and stick method is pretty effective. It also give people who might think of speaking the truth an indication of which way the wind is blowing. On top of that, it is outright illegal in many countries to deny the holocaust. If the holocaust was real, you wouldn't need any laws to protect the story.

 

[cultsmasher]

Keith&Co,
Copies of my post? What in the hell are you takling about.

I am takling about putting the phrase you suggested into google and all that came up were fifteen posts that parroted the OP you posted. Nothing about an actual document just your posting.

I found them long before I ever mentioned them anywhere.

Maybe so, maybe no. But your posted suggestion only returns fairly close copies of the OP.

Admittedly, I don't read or speak German.

Neither do I.
You did not mention that we needed to put a German phrase into the search engine.

I had to take the word of the people who posted the documents

Ah. So, either everything you know about WWII is a lie, or everything you know about these documents you cannot read is a lie.

Good to know.

who say that they show the "concentration camp" deaths of Jews to only have been about 271,000.

Okay. Now, is that the total death of all Jews in that document you haven't actually read, or is it possibly only the German Citizens who died in the camps, or maybe the Jews killed over a certain period of time?
Who can say?




Evidently, not you.......

Not 6 million. Next, is the population of Paraguay or Bosie 271,000?

No, the population of Paraguay is about 6 million. Boise is close to 217,000.

Am I missing something?

Whoo dang, yes.
Your entire point is missing.

Keith&Co,
When I entered what I suggested into my browser, in among the various websites that came up, I was able to find the actual Red Cross documents. As to why you weren't able to, I have no explanation. Maybe you could try entering, "Old Red Cross documents that say that only 271,000 Jews died in concentration camps." Next, I never said that you had to enter anything in German. The Red Cross documents just happen to be in German. I could read the numbers. But as far as what they actually said, I had to take other people's word for it.

Next, who are you to say that the old Red Cross documents are fake or saying something else. Though in the documentary I mentioned, strangely enough, they don't mention those documents. But I can tell you one of the many things they SHOW you. Between about 1915-1938, they show several articles that appeared in various newspapers. They talk about something bad happening to 6 million Jews. Isn't it interesting that it is also the number that they claim died in the holocaust? Next, Paraguay, Bosie. If you are trying to make a point, try to be a little more clear about it.

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I accused the actress Melissa Joan Hart of dating a negro.

I find 'accused' and 'negro' terribly telling words in that sentence.

Why is interracial dating an 'accusation?'
What's the point of 'accusing' a white woman of dating a 'Negro?'

Keith&Co,
When I figure I'm about ready to get banned, I will answer your questions.

 

[cultsmasher]

Denying the Holocaust is, to my mind, as obscene as advocating sex with minors.
Why is this thread still in existence? Freedom of speech? Does nobody among the Admins here know the difference between freedom and licence" As in "Licence, they mean when Freedom they cry" ?
Denial of the Holocaust is a crime in Germany. Are you going to allow the neonazis to have a stage for their obscenity here?

NB. I AM REPORTING MY OWN POST FOR THE ADMINS CONSIDERATION AND ACTION.
I refuse to read or take part in this obscene pantomime.

4321lynx,
If you don't like what I have to say, don't read it. But you should. You will learn something.