Ex-transgender man now wants to live as sexless ALIEN

[untermensche]

There are definitely people who believe that the cracker is literally Jesus. I'll grant you that this is a minority of self-identifying Catholics.

The Catholic Church became very scientific in the late 20th Century.

Unlike some Protestant denominations the Catholic Church accepted evolution.

They turned it on it's head and said it merely showed the god to be more clever than previously thought.

I don't think the Catholic Church ever embraced anything that they couldn't use to further themselves. Faith based institutions never modernize themselves, because they would loose their power in doing so.

That is partly true but the way institutions survive is by changing.

The Catholic Church today is nothing like the Catholic Church in the early 20th Century.

 

[dismal]

It seems like a fairly small concession to me. As long as they obey the law and pays their taxes like the rest of us, whose business is it what they call themselves? People are so rude these days. Just because someone is "weird" to you doesn't mean you don't owe them minimal courtesy.

Exactly. So what if he wants to be genderless? I don't see anyone being harmed by that other than perhaps him.

Well then, why can't you conform to its wishes and stop calling it "him"?

 

[Jarhyn]

Ex-transgender man now wants to live as sexless ALIEN and has had nipples removed
Jareth Nebula, 33, has shuned human genders and wants to be accepted as a being from another planet

Jareth Nebula might live on earth but he firmly believes he belongs on another planet.

The 33-year-old, who was born a woman but transitioned to become a man when he was 29, now believes he doesn't fit into any human gender and is, in fact, an alien .

The barber's shop receptionist has even had his nipples removed and shaves his eyebrows to "make him feel less human".

Jareth, who has named himself after David Bowie 's character in Labrynth and Nebula like a space cloud, already has 78 stars across his body and hopes to increase this to 333 as "three has always been my lucky number".

Living alone he now just wants people to accept who he is and admits be would rather be called 'thing' or 'it' rather than he or she.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/ex-transgender-man-now-wants-14071689

I notice they don't call it by its preferred pronoun.

I assume this means they're xenophobic astrophobes?

So, the alien stuff is kinda bonkers. But then again so is the whole reincarnation bullshit, or "the earth is 6000 years old and God made you this way and god doesn't make mistakes" line of bullshit.

I have a hard time calling someone "it" purely because of the social implications of "it" being the one pronoun we have to signify "is below sapient life". I hesitate to call a *pet* "it", let alone a person, regardless of which planet they think they came from. That said, someone shouldn't be expected to have eyebrows or nipples or genitals to be considered a *person*. And the stars bit sounds really cool. You don't have to ascribe to their crazy. All I would expect is that you respect their bodily autonomy, which you clearly do not.

If they were a poster on this forum, would you treat them with such derision?

 

[Angra Mainyu]

It seems like a fairly small concession to me. As long as they obey the law and pays their taxes like the rest of us, whose business is it what they call themselves? People are so rude these days. Just because someone is "weird" to you doesn't mean you don't owe them minimal courtesy.

Exactly. So what if he wants to be genderless? I don't see anyone being harmed by that other than perhaps him.

Her parents and other close family members probably suffer when they see her condition - including but not limited to her wanting not to be human, not to have a gender, etc. -, but her mental state may well be an excuse for her actions.

That aside, her wanting to be genderless does not seem to harm anyone else as far as I can tell, though I'm not sufficiently familiar with the case to tell for sure. As long as people are not blamed for failing to agree that she is not a woman, that does not seem to be a problem. On the other hand, when such people are blamed, that seems to harm the people who are blamed.

 

[Jarhyn]

Yeah, well, that isn't harm they are causing their family. It is 100% harm the family is causing themselves in an effort, consciously or no, to disregard their child's bodily autonomy.

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Personally, there are a lot of things I would make of myself that don't exist on Earth. I mean fucking hell, as a hobby, I contemplate alternative non-terrestrial genital configurations. Like DaVinci and his flying machines, maybe my musings will one day be the basis for something in the near-ish Future.

But being critical of a person because what they want to be is not something represented here, as you yourself are, is narcissistic.

 

[dismal]

Ex-transgender man now wants to live as sexless ALIEN and has had nipples removed
Jareth Nebula, 33, has shuned human genders and wants to be accepted as a being from another planet

Jareth Nebula might live on earth but he firmly believes he belongs on another planet.

The 33-year-old, who was born a woman but transitioned to become a man when he was 29, now believes he doesn't fit into any human gender and is, in fact, an alien .

The barber's shop receptionist has even had his nipples removed and shaves his eyebrows to "make him feel less human".

Jareth, who has named himself after David Bowie 's character in Labrynth and Nebula like a space cloud, already has 78 stars across his body and hopes to increase this to 333 as "three has always been my lucky number".

Living alone he now just wants people to accept who he is and admits be would rather be called 'thing' or 'it' rather than he or she.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/us-news/ex-transgender-man-now-wants-14071689

I notice they don't call it by its preferred pronoun.

I assume this means they're xenophobic astrophobes?

So, the alien stuff is kinda bonkers. But then again so is the whole reincarnation bullshit, or "the earth is 6000 years old and God made you this way and god doesn't make mistakes" line of bullshit.

I have a hard time calling someone "it" purely because of the social implications of "it" being the one pronoun we have to signify "is below sapient life". I hesitate to call a *pet* "it", let alone a person, regardless of which planet they think they came from. That said, someone shouldn't be expected to have eyebrows or nipples or genitals to be considered a *person*. And the stars bit sounds really cool. You don't have to ascribe to their crazy. All I would expect is that you respect their bodily autonomy, which you clearly do not.

If they were a poster on this forum, would you treat them with such derision?

What are you taking as derision? Calling it what it prefers to be called?

I call this "tolerance".

 

[Angra Mainyu]

Yeah, well, that isn't harm they are causing their family. It is 100% harm the family is causing themselves in an effort, consciously or no, to disregard their child's bodily autonomy.

Humans have instinctive reactions that they cannot help. If their daughter chooses - for example - to commit suicide, that will harm them. If she does not choose that, but instead chooses to cut her tongue off - say, because she thinks that that is too human -, that will harm them too, even if perhaps to a lesser degree. If she instead chooses to cut off her nipples, the harm will be smaller, etc., but it is still a harm.

Granted, if, say, her parents were psychopaths, her actions would not harm them. Nevertheless, the fact that their own minds (i.e., the fact that they are reacting like normal humans, rather than like psychopaths) plays a causal role in the harm does not imply, in any usual sense of the words, that her actions are not harming them.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

People should be free to do what they want with their own bodies. I am not going to call someone a Gamorthian, though, just because they want me to. Not that they even demanded it. Maybe they didn't.

 

[Angry Floof]

People should be free to do what they want with their own bodies. I am not going to call someone a Gamorthian, though, just because they want me to. Not that they even demanded it. Maybe they didn't.

Why not? I'd totally call someone a Gamorthian, whatever that is, if they asked me to. What are the possible consequences?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

People should be free to do what they want with their own bodies. I am not going to call someone a Gamorthian, though, just because they want me to. Not that they even demanded it. Maybe they didn't.

Why not? I'd totally call someone a Gamorthian, whatever that is, if they asked me to. What are the possible consequences?

I am not going to get involved in supporting a fantasy to the extent that it requires me to expend energy unless it is an agreed upon situation. That doesn't mean I am going to expend energy to say so-and-so is NOT a Gamorthian either. Generally speaking, it's none of my business but IF it came to someone demanding something from me by my actions, that's asking me to do something where my default is nothing at all and non-involvement. Even so, the other default, the one that involves knowing people personally is to be some mixture of honest and nice. Calling them a Gamorthian might be nice but not honest. Inasmuch as there is a default against dishonesty, it is not a good idea to call them a Gamorthian. Dishonesty leads to alteration of a person's opportunities. For example, suppose they want to jump off a cliff because they think they can fly as, you know, Gamothians do. Generally, I'd try not to get involved unless there were an issue such as that.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It seems like a fairly small concession to me. As long as they obey the law and pays their taxes like the rest of us, whose business is it what they call themselves? People are so rude these days. Just because someone is "weird" to you doesn't mean you don't owe them minimal courtesy.

Exactly. So what if he wants to be genderless? I don't see anyone being harmed by that other than perhaps him.

Well then, why can't you conform to its wishes and stop calling it "him"?

He wants to be genderless, his current gender is male.

 

[Derec]

Issues of the human condition are necessary. It gives us a better grasp of those around us and if we try to understand them, they may reciprocate and make this world a little more tolerable.

Issues that effect only one person are sometimes psychosis.

Most of the time, only one person is effected at a time. Except for monozygotic twins, of course.

 

[dismal]

Well then, why can't you conform to its wishes and stop calling it "him"?

He wants to be genderless, his current gender is male.

No, it identifies as an alien with no gender. It does not identify as a man.

Why would you call it a man when it does not identify as such?

 

[untermensche]

Issues of the human condition are necessary. It gives us a better grasp of those around us and if we try to understand them, they may reciprocate and make this world a little more tolerable.

Issues that effect only one person are sometimes psychosis.

Most of the time, only one person is effected at a time. Except for monozygotic twins, of course.

You can also have issues like homosexuality that include huge numbers of people all over the world.

You can conclude from this it is most likely not a psychiatric issue.

It is just a normally occurring way humans become because we are all just so attractive.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Most of the time, only one person is effected at a time. Except for monozygotic twins, of course.

You can also have issues like homosexuality that include huge numbers of people all over the world.

You can conclude from this it is most likely not a psychiatric issue.

It is just a normally occurring way humans become because we are all just so attractive.

As long as it doesn't want to have a different age as well.