bilby
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The article you link doesn't say any of the things that you are saying, neither do all religions, let alone religious people, say the things that you say they say.I have every respect for Sean Caroll. But I also know that he knows the difference between data and opinion. I have no issue with the article, but it doesn't actually say very much if you're really reading it carefully. He's a positivist. That's fine. A valid belief, in my opinion. Not a scientific conclusion, though.
Well it's pretty hard to hold the opinion that there's an unknown interaction between humans and 'souls' or 'gods', when you are aware that the conclusion of our best scientific evidence is that no unknown interactions are possible.
It's pretty watertight - you either reject our best science; Or you reject the core concepts of the vast majority of religions. All of which have incredibly weak foundations.
It's really no less silly to believe in a flat Earth than it is to believe in gods or souls - The only substantive difference is that most people do not have a good grasp of the science in the latter case. But that's just ignorance.
The article supports my argument. It's not my entire argument, and what I say about physics is certainly supported by physics. No mechanism can exist by which a soul or a god could interact with a physical human body or brain, other than at energies incompatible with the continuing physical integrity of the human in question. That's undeniable given the state of current physics. For that physics to be wrong would require an astonishing number of massive errors in our scientific understanding - essentially all of our modern technology would have to work, not because we understand how it works, but by pure luck despite our abject lack of understanding. I don't find that credible.
I have nothing to say about anyone who is so confused that they are religious, but accept as fact that neither souls nor gods exist. You can't debate an insane person.