Federal agents foil murderous Jade Helm 15 retaliation plot

[Nice Squirrel]

Oh, I thought they were planning to retaliate for the Jade Helm 15 invasion. Not sure how I could have come away thinking that. Maybe the thread title and the OP article.

Maybe you should bring up your complaint with InfoWars who also uses "Jade Helm 15" in their headline?

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This is a very fine line here. The people involved had the right to buy and store all of the weapons that they want, even if it was done to protect themselves against an imaginary threat. That certainly is crazy but it isn't illegal.

They are being charged with making grenades and other explosive weapons (bombs).

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

dismal doesn't seem to understand that the plot was to kill real people in response to a fake Government plan to take over the nation.

 

[Horatio Parker]

dismal doesn't seem to understand that the plot was to kill real people in response to a fake Government plan to take over the nation.

Sure. If you plan or prepare or conspire to kill someone who you imagined was going to kill you, you haven't done anything wrong, right?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

A somewhat related story:
http://www.rawstory.com/2015/08/new...-while-making-bombs-at-his-house-prosecutors/

Michael O’Neill, 45, a former Niagara County corrections officer, is accused of making seven bombs and was arrested two weeks ago after one of the devices accidentally went off. O’Neill was rushed to a hospital where his leg had to be amputated. He was the only one injured, WGRZ reports.

http://www.twcnews.com/nys/buffalo/news/2015/08/5/o-neill-detention-hearing-.html

O'Neill was charged with possession of an unregistered destructive device after investigators found what appeared to be seven improvised explosive devices in an area where they believe explosives were being made. One was labeled "powder with nails."

O'Neill's attorney, Joe LaTona, said O'Neill was planning to blow up tree stumps, and shrapnel would help make a cleaner cut.

LaTona argued the government hasn't shown O'Neill had a destructive device, and there's no indication it was going to be used against people or property. He said there wasn't clear and convincing evidence to detain O'Neill, who can't even walk on his own.

 

[ksen]

I love days where dismal is bored at work and trying to entertain himself.

 

[Keith&Co.]

There are laws against stockpiling real weapons?

Were they arrested for stockpiling or were they arrested for planning and preparing to commit murder and treason?

 

[KeepTalking]

Maybe you should bring up your complaint with InfoWars who also uses "Jade Helm 15" in their headline?

^This. Or, as noted previously, "read the fucking article (or at least the OP)"

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

dismal doesn't seem to understand that the plot was to kill real people in response to a fake Government plan to take over the nation.

Sure. If you plan or prepare or conspire to kill someone who you imagined was going to kill you, you haven't done anything wrong, right?

Actually they feared a take over. Their response was to kill other Government agents. What you described would be consistent with mental illness. What happened is anti government hysteria.

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Okay, maybe more mental illness after all. Nothing like the mentally ill stockpiling weapons.

 

[ksen]

worked for clive bundy

 

[PyramidHead]

Whether or not they do, it's still illegal to lure them into a trap with the intent to kill them.

Would it be illegal to plan to trap and kill invading martians or invading Cubans?

There are no Martians. Planning to trap and kill Martians therefore poses no risk to anyone.

Presumably, if somebody found a way to lure Cubans into a trap designed to kill them, that person would be responsible for endangering the lives of any Cubans who might be lured.

In this case, Litteral was already breaking the law by stockpiling illegal weapons. Law enforcement would have an interest in investigating that by itself. As it turns out, he was planning on gunning them all down with these illegal weapons if and when they decided to do so.

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dismal doesn't seem to understand that the plot was to kill real people in response to a fake Government plan to take over the nation.

Sure. If you plan or prepare or conspire to kill someone who you imagined was going to kill you, you haven't done anything wrong, right?

The next time I'm pulled over for speeding, I'll just say I was driving to Atlantis. There's no such place as Atlantis, so my reckless driving couldn't possibly have been against the law.

 

[dismal]

dismal doesn't seem to understand that the plot was to kill real people in response to a fake Government plan to take over the nation.

What real people?

 

[Horatio Parker]

The part I don't get is why do imaginary enemies require real stockpiles of weapons and explosives.

Material weapons are for killing flesh and blood people, not imaginary ones.

And when you violate the laws governing such activity, you're prone to be prosecuted for such. Particularly if LE imagines themselves responsible for a real flesh and blood massacre, should it occur.

Dismal seems to be angling, indirectly as always, for some kind of thought crime point.

None of this would be under discussion if they were Middle Easterners instead of Good Ol Boys.

 

[KeepTalking]

dismal doesn't seem to understand that the plot was to kill real people in response to a fake Government plan to take over the nation.

What real people?

"Governement forces", they aren't all drones just yet.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

What real people?

"Governement forces", they aren't all drones just yet.

I think Dismal wants long form birth certificates on the specific individuals.

 

[dismal]

What real people?

"Governement forces", they aren't all drones just yet.

Not just "Government forces" in the general but Jade Helm invaders in the specific.

Unless one is prepared to argue that Jade Helm invaders are real people there is an apparent problem.

Suppose they were planning to defend against a plot involving Martian mercenaries working on behalf of the US Government, would that be planning against real people because Government forces are real?

 

[Horatio Parker]

"Governement forces", they aren't all drones just yet.

Not just "Government forces" in the general but Jade Helm invaders in the specific.

Unless one is prepared to argue that Jade Helm invaders are real people there is an apparent problem.

Suppose they were planning to defend against a plot involving Martian mercenaries working on behalf of the US Government, would that be planning against real people because Government forces are real?

Not at all. The people, ie military engaged in exercises, are real.

 

[PyramidHead]

"Governement forces", they aren't all drones just yet.

Not just "Government forces" in the general but Jade Helm invaders in the specific.

Unless one is prepared to argue that Jade Helm invaders are real people there is an apparent problem.

Suppose they were planning to defend against a plot involving Martian mercenaries working on behalf of the US Government, would that be planning against real people because Government forces are real?

If I stab you in the face because I suspect you're the Antichrist, does that fact that you're not absolve me of legal responsibility?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Unless one is prepared to argue that Jade Helm invaders are real people there is an apparent problem.

Nooo.
Jade Helm is real.
Real people will be entering the state as part of Jade Helm.
Real people will be seen as invaders by the real people that were stockpiling weapons.
The stockpiling conspiracy people were intending to lure these real people into an ambush for the purpose of inflicting grievous harm on them.

Whether the purpose of Jade Helm is a real invasion or an imagined invasion is immaterial to the threat that was posed. You're making an artificial distinction that wouldn't have made any difference in the amount of bloodshed. It's not like they were going to set lures that would only have lured real invaders, but not attracted real soldiers who were not in the area for the purpose of invasion.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

"Governement forces", they aren't all drones just yet.

Not just "Government forces" in the general but Jade Helm invaders in the specific.

Yes, because the article explained all this in specific detail, but no worries. Thinking and reading are hard.

Unless one is prepared to argue that Jade Helm invaders are real people there is an apparent problem.

I suppose one might get the impression that the people participating in Jade Helm '15 are in fact human people, and the threats and explosive devices were to be used against living breathing people whom they may or may not believe are participating in Jade Helm, but anyone with basic reading comprehension skills and moderate cognitive abilities could figure this out if they bothered to read the article.

Suppose they were planning to defend against a plot involving Martian mercenaries working on behalf of the US Government, would that be planning against real people because Government forces are real?

Do they have the proper hunting permits?

 

[ZiprHead]

dismal, have you been having a little drinky this morning? Your posts seem to be a little incoherent.