Federal agents foil murderous Jade Helm 15 retaliation plot

[PyramidHead]

They conspired to indiscriminately kill _any_ federal agent that showed up.



If they believe that all mailmen are actually lizardmen in disguise, and then conspire set up deadly traps along the path where mailmen are known to travel (or do something to lure mailmen onto their property with the intent to let the bullets rip once they show up), you think they shouldn't be arrested until the trap goes off and kills a mailman? After all, their intent is to kill a bunch of lizardmen, no?

You've nailed it. If the intent is to kill lizardmen, and killing lizardmen is not a crime, then there can be no charge of conspiracy to kill lizardmen. There can be no charge of conspiracy to kill mailmen because there was no intent to kill mailmen.

A conspiracy charge requires intent to commit a specific crime.

That sets a troubling precedent. Anyone who is accused of conspiracy to commit a specific crime can simply say they thought the potential victims were lizard people. Somehow I doubt you've thought this through.

 

[dismal]

You've nailed it. If the intent is to kill lizardmen, and killing lizardmen is not a crime, then there can be no charge of conspiracy to kill lizardmen. There can be no charge of conspiracy to kill mailmen because there was no intent to kill mailmen.

A conspiracy charge requires intent to commit a specific crime.

That sets a troubling precedent. Anyone who is accused of conspiracy to commit a specific crime can simply say they thought the potential victims were lizard people. Somehow I doubt you've thought this through.

Even worse, when they say you committed murder you can just say "no, it wasn't me some lizard person did it". Whatever shall we do once defendants figure out these sorts of trickerations?

 

[Axulus]

This whole discussion is a moot point anyway.

The actual charges are of conspiracy to violate laws governing firearms and explosive devices, which carry a prison sentence of up to five years and a $250,000 fine. Campbell separately faces an additional charge of receiving, possessing or making a firearm — which by definition includes a destructive device — which carries a maximum penalty of up to 10 years and a $10,000 fine, according to the FBI.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Federal agents that these psychos believe are Jade Helm invaders, luring them, and then mass killing them, would result in real, _not_ imaginary, deaths.

You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that the lure they were coming up with would only work on Jade Helm invaders. Why are you failing to consider that the lure would be that precise? You do realize there are ways to get _real_ federal agents to show up onto your property?

Yes, killing actual federal agents may very well be a crime.

However, these people are accused of conspiracy to kill imaginary Jade Helm invaders.

Conspiracy is a crime of intent. They did not conspire to kill assorted other people who might have ended up in their traps.

Yeah, that's not gonna fly in Federal court. There have been DOZENS of sting operations in which a "conspiracy" charge managed to stick despite the fact that the TARGET of that conspiracy turned out to be fictional.

 

[Bronzeage]

Federal agents that these psychos believe are Jade Helm invaders, luring them, and then mass killing them, would result in real, _not_ imaginary, deaths.

You seem to be under the mistaken assumption that the lure they were coming up with would only work on Jade Helm invaders. Why are you failing to consider that the lure would be that precise? You do realize there are ways to get _real_ federal agents to show up onto your property?

Yes, killing actual federal agents may very well be a crime.

However, these people are accused of conspiracy to kill imaginary Jade Helm invaders.

Conspiracy is a crime of intent. They did not conspire to kill assorted other people who might have ended up in their traps.

Do you really believe they could tell the difference between a a police tactical swat team and Jade Helm invaders, or care?

 

[ksen]

guys, seriously?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

They conspired to indiscriminately kill _any_ federal agent that showed up.



If they believe that all mailmen are actually lizardmen in disguise, and then conspire set up deadly traps along the path where mailmen are known to travel (or do something to lure mailmen onto their property with the intent to let the bullets rip once they show up), you think they shouldn't be arrested until the trap goes off and kills a mailman? After all, their intent is to kill a bunch of lizardmen, no?

You've nailed it. If the intent is to kill lizardmen, and killing lizardmen is not a crime, then there can be no charge of conspiracy to kill lizardmen. There can be no charge of conspiracy to kill mailmen because there was no intent to kill mailmen.

A conspiracy charge requires intent to commit a specific crime.

Your problem is that you are looking at what they say they are going to do vs what the effects of their actions are.

Yes, it's not illegal to kill lizardmen, but if you believe a guy in a postal uniform is a lizardman then the effects of your actions amount to an attempt to kill postmen.