FFS - Gunman at large after two shot at Central Michigan University

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Eh, "violate crime is violate crime" is true. It's a trivial truism.

There are crimes (that although violent) are less seriously violent than other crimes that are more seriously violent. If one compares mildly violent crimes with especially violent crimes and retorts "violate crime is violate crime," the error isn't in that the statement is inaccurate but irrelevant.

 

[Toni]

https://www.theguardian.com/money/u...private-violence-women-men-abuse-hbo-ray-rice

And yes, it works the other way, too...

 Elisabeth Anne "Betty" Broderick (born November 7, 1947) is an American former suburban housewife convicted of the November 5, 1989 murders[1] of her ex-husband, Daniel T. Broderick III, and his second wife, Linda (Kolkena) Broderick. At a second trial on December 11, 1991, she was convicted of two counts of second-degree murder and later sentenced to 32-years-to-life in prison. The case received extensive media attention and was extremely controversial.

You get out long before it reaches that point! It's not that you flee when you feel your life is in danger, you leave when you're hit.

Getting out doesn't always work. And if there are kids involved, you may be forced to keep seeing your abuser to some extent. Your kids may be forced to still have visitation with the parent who threatened their mother's life, and theirs.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article197508099.html

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article202194134.html

The mother in this case is a friend of one of my friends. Her ex murdered their children to get back at her. No, he didn't use a gun, but the court still mandated that he have unsupervised visitation with his children, despite the documented threats he had made. And then he killed them.

What I think is that when someone threatens to kill other people, they should be believed. Steps should be taken to ensure that they do not have the opportunity to carry out their threats against their proposed victims.

 

[RavenSky]

https://www.theguardian.com/money/u...private-violence-women-men-abuse-hbo-ray-rice

And yes, it works the other way, too...

 Elisabeth Anne "Betty" Broderick (born November 7, 1947) is an American former suburban housewife convicted of the November 5, 1989 murders[1] of her ex-husband, Daniel T. Broderick III, and his second wife, Linda (Kolkena) Broderick. At a second trial on December 11, 1991, she was convicted of two counts of second-degree murder and later sentenced to 32-years-to-life in prison. The case received extensive media attention and was extremely controversial.

You get out long before it reaches that point! It's not that you flee when you feel your life is in danger, you leave when you're hit.

MOST abused spouses are killed at the point that they leave or after they leave. Which part of that fact are you having difficulty comprehending?

 

[RavenSky]

You get out long before it reaches that point! It's not that you flee when you feel your life is in danger, you leave when you're hit.

Fixating on that question — why doesn’t the woman just leave — reveals a fundamental misunderstanding about the realities of domestic abuse, said Kim Gandy, president of the National Network to End Domestic Violence.

“So often, when people say, ‘Why didn’t she just leave?’ the reality is that she did leave, or tried to,” Gandy said. “Often she has reached out for help repeatedly, to the police, to the courts, sometimes to friends or family. Often she has a protective order and he assaults her anyway.”

Blaming the victim for not leaving indicates ignorance about the power and control that is an integral part of domestic abuse, she said.

“If these kinds of police attitudes are common — the idea that it’s really the victim’s fault for being in that situation — then it would certainly deter a victim from seeking police help or protection,” she said. “These kinds of attitudes are one of the reasons that abusers feel they can do whatever they want, and not have to answer for their violence.”

educated yourself.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

https://www.theguardian.com/money/u...private-violence-women-men-abuse-hbo-ray-rice

And yes, it works the other way, too...

 Elisabeth Anne "Betty" Broderick (born November 7, 1947) is an American former suburban housewife convicted of the November 5, 1989 murders[1] of her ex-husband, Daniel T. Broderick III, and his second wife, Linda (Kolkena) Broderick. At a second trial on December 11, 1991, she was convicted of two counts of second-degree murder and later sentenced to 32-years-to-life in prison. The case received extensive media attention and was extremely controversial.

You get out long before it reaches that point! It's not that you flee when you feel your life is in danger, you leave when you're hit.

Getting out doesn't always work. And if there are kids involved, you may be forced to keep seeing your abuser to some extent. Your kids may be forced to still have visitation with the parent who threatened their mother's life, and theirs.

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/article197508099.html

http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article202194134.html

The mother in this case is a friend of one of my friends. Her ex murdered their children to get back at her. No, he didn't use a gun, but the court still mandated that he have unsupervised visitation with his children, despite the documented threats he had made. And then he killed them.

What I think is that when someone threatens to kill other people, they should be believed. Steps should be taken to ensure that they do not have the opportunity to carry out their threats against their proposed victims.

What part of "before it reaches that point" do you not understand? Abusers don't just wake up one day threatening to kill their spouse or their kids. You have to have waded through a lot of red flags to get there.

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You get out long before it reaches that point! It's not that you flee when you feel your life is in danger, you leave when you're hit.

Fixating on that question — why doesn’t the woman just leave — reveals a fundamental misunderstanding about the realities of domestic abuse, said Kim Gandy, president of the National Network to End Domestic Violence.

“So often, when people say, ‘Why didn’t she just leave?’ the reality is that she did leave, or tried to,” Gandy said. “Often she has reached out for help repeatedly, to the police, to the courts, sometimes to friends or family. Often she has a protective order and he assaults her anyway.”

Blaming the victim for not leaving indicates ignorance about the power and control that is an integral part of domestic abuse, she said.

“If these kinds of police attitudes are common — the idea that it’s really the victim’s fault for being in that situation — then it would certainly deter a victim from seeking police help or protection,” she said. “These kinds of attitudes are one of the reasons that abusers feel they can do whatever they want, and not have to answer for their violence.”

educated yourself.

By the time she's deep in it there is a very real problem leaving. That's not what I'm talking about. If she wasn't willfully blind to the developing problem it never would have gotten like that.

 

[RavenSky]

By the time she's deep in it there is a very real problem leaving. That's not what I'm talking about. If she wasn't willfully blind to the developing problem it never would have gotten like that.

Bullshit.

You clearly and obviously know nothing about this topic and, as per your usual, have provided absolutely zero to back up your vicious little claims.

Fixating on that question — why doesn’t the woman just leave — reveals a fundamental misunderstanding about the realities of domestic abuse...

“So often, when people say, ‘Why didn’t she just leave?’ the reality is that she did leave, or tried to...

Blaming the victim for not leaving indicates ignorance about the power and control that is an integral part of domestic abuse...

“These kinds of attitudes are one of the reasons that abusers feel they can do whatever they want, and not have to answer for their violence.”

 

[marc]

I knew a woman in an abusive relationship. She got pregnant the first time they had sex, so they got married rather quickly. There are not alway signs right away, but by the time they are clear, it can already be too late. She said how one time he was mad at her, saying all these things he hated about here. She replied ‘then why don’t you just divorce me’? He strangled her, telling her the only way she would leave him was in a box.

Leaving an abuser can be difficult. To truly be safe it can require moving to another state, where they can’t find you.