First american ebola case diagnosed

[barbos]

Of course we won't have 100% compliance. We don't need 100% compliance to stop the epidemic.

Agreed. The chances of an epidemic in developed countries is vanishing small. On the other hand, I think the risks of transmission to us healthcare workers is being underplayed.

This sounds as if you are saying "Africa is lost, but we can hold our own here at home"
You can't stop it here without stopping it in Africa.

 

[Sabine Grant]

Agreed. The chances of an epidemic in developed countries is vanishing small. On the other hand, I think the risks of transmission to us healthcare workers is being underplayed.

This sounds as if you are saying "Africa is lost, but we can hold our own here at home"

That is not how I understood seyorni's comment. I understood it as echoing the reality that due to the vast disparity existing between Third World countries health care systems and First World nations', measures of containment of infectious diseases, socio economical conditions, culturally induced behaviors, the "chances of an epidemic in developed countries is vanishing small". However, health care workers still remain at the highest risk of exposure in First World Nations due to the very nature of their profession.

You can't stop it here without stopping it in Africa.

I do not think anyone (to include seyorni) was disputing that containing the epidemic in Western Africa, reaching the goal of reducing the current rate of infected individuals, would also reduce the risk of the expansion of Ebola outside of Guinea, Sierra Leone and Liberia.

 

[Sabine Grant]

It keeps being mentioned in this thread that Ebola isn't much of a risk in more developed nations, but from the news I've been following it looks like the virus is absolutely out of control in Africa.

I explained earlier and detailed why the outbreak in Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea took the proportion of such out of control epidemic. Once more, the conditions facilitating the transition from outbreak to epidemic in all 3 nations are not existent in developed nations.

So until the virus actually stops its course, or people aren't allowed to cross borders, I don't see how there's not at least a small risk of an outbreak elsewhere in the world.

There is always a risk of an outbreak when it comes to infectious diseases. However and so far, Ebola contamination in the US has been limited to 2 US health care workers NOT affecting the general public. Further as I had detailed earlier, the CDC has been consistently effective in containing isolated cases of TB, TB being more infectious than Ebola. Especially as TB may remain asymptomatic for an extended period of time and at this point harder to identify as separate from other ailments affecting the respiratory/pulmonary system if based on symptoms only.

We might be great at containing it when more money and resources are available to do so, but this must be one of the riskiest outbreaks since the arrival of HIV.

Actually, the riskiest outbreak would be TB. Other riskiest outbreak being :

http://www.webmd.com/cold-and-flu/news/20140909/enterovirus-d68-parents

As of Oct. 6, the CDC has confirmed more than 590 cases of EV-D68 in 43 states and Washington, DC. All of the cases have been in children except for one adult case.

And let's not fool ourselves to confuse that " except for one adult case" means that somehow adults are immune to EV-D68. The high ratio among children versus minimum among adults is due to vectors of transmission being more common among children than adults.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

IMPORTANT SERVICE MESSAGE

IMOPRTANT: EBOLA IS NOW SPREAD THROUGH TOILETS.
Do not poop in your toilet. Find a safe place to poop.

The following are pooping sites are recommended:

• The trunk of your car.
• Your coworker's desk drawer.
• Dollywood.
• Alex Jones' mouth.

Sincerely,
The TF Ebola Response Team

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Second medical worker in Texas tested positive.

Time to determine if their protocols are what they need to be. The comment section in Yahoo is pretty certain that ebola can be thread via minimum wage laws.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

According to the CDC there were no protocols followed during the admission of the patient.

And minimum wage killed competition for highly skilled staff.

 

[barbos]

IMOPRTANT: EBOLA IS NOW SPREAD THROUGH TOILETS.
Do not poop in your toilet. Find a safe place to poop.

The following are pooping sites are recommended:

• The trunk of your car.
• Your coworker's desk drawer.
• Dollywood.
• Alex Jones' mouth.

Sincerely,
The TF Ebola Response Team

How about simply FoxNews toilet?

 

[Sabine Grant]

According to the CDC there were no protocols followed during the admission of the patient.

And minimum wage killed competition for highly skilled staff.

The CDC has now implemented the following measure : to dispatch a CDC team to treat Ebola infected patients. Which ought to reduce the risk for protocols to not be followed. Such measure should have occurred the moment Mr Duncan was identified as "index patient"(term used by the CDC or "subject 1" as I referred to earlier.
Some medical experts have suggested that identified Ebola positive patients be transported to specialized medical facilities. Came to mind the facilities and medical personnel who treated the 2 med evacuated US citizens. None of the treating/attending medical personnel having shown any signs of exposure or contamination. However safe transport or transfer to any long distance facility may be compromised by a patient's critical status.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

According to the CDC there were no protocols followed during the admission of the patient.

Oi! Well, that will help dispel the "it has mutated and gone airborne" meme on the Internet. Won't help a lot, but maybe a little?

 

[braces_for_impact]

Is this sarcasm?

I suppose it is.
I'm disturbed by the discrepancy between the "direct patient contact only" reassurances I'm hearing from medical authorities and the images I'm seeing on TV newscasts. They just don't jibe.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not worried about a US epidemic, just disturbed by the reportage I'm seeing: sensationalism on one side and reassuring blandishments on the other. Where's the 'here-are-the-facts' middle ground?

Sorry to go way back to page 7, but this sounds like the Golden Mean fallacy.

 

[Valjean]

Agreed. The chances of an epidemic in developed countries is vanishing small. On the other hand, I think the risks of transmission to us healthcare workers is being underplayed.

This sounds as if you are saying "Africa is lost, but we can hold our own here at home"
You can't stop it here without stopping it in Africa.

See Sabine Grant's exegesis.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ebola has gone airborne!!! Ebola traveled in a plane to and out of NE Ohio while inside the second nurse from the hospital in Texas. The second nurse flew to Cleveland, visited in Akron, and went back home. Allegedly the second nurse had a minor fever of 99.5 degrees while on the flight. That precision makes me wonder what the reading is from.

So why was a nurse allowed to fly on a plane right after treating an ebola patient?

Christ... Cleveland's first chance at a Title in years and now this!

Living in Akron gives me a new perspective on the Ebola scare and I'm turning up the panic to 11. I'm locking myself in my house with my family. Glad I held onto those plastic tarps and duct tape that the W Admin convinced me to buy years ago.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Of course we won't have 100% compliance. We don't need 100% compliance to stop the epidemic.

I don't expect that there will be a widespread outbreak in the U.S. but I do expect that there will be more cases transmitted and diagnosed in the U.S. and in other countries outside of Africa.

Something that I have never disagreed with. We are finding out how many corners were cut in the safety protocols.

I'm just saying that even with the problems the multiplication rate will stay below one.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Agreed. The chances of an epidemic in developed countries is vanishing small. On the other hand, I think the risks of transmission to us healthcare workers is being underplayed.

This sounds as if you are saying "Africa is lost, but we can hold our own here at home"
You can't stop it here without stopping it in Africa.

In time it will burn out in Africa. It's too quick and deadly to do anything else. It just got a much bigger spread than usual so it's taking longer to burn out.

- - - Updated - - -

IMOPRTANT: EBOLA IS NOW SPREAD THROUGH TOILETS.
Do not poop in your toilet. Find a safe place to poop.

The following are pooping sites are recommended:

• The trunk of your car.
• Your coworker's desk drawer.
• Dollywood.
• Alex Jones' mouth.

Sincerely,
The TF Ebola Response Team

I wouldn't consider #4 remotely safe! How contagious is his insanity?

 

[lpetrich]

Ebola outbreak: Nigeria is 'a week away' from beating virus - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent

Nigeria will be officially declared Ebola-free in less than a week after containing the disease that has killed more than 4,000 people.

Eight of the 20 people infected in the country died and there have been no new cases confirmed since 8 September.

It means it is less than a week short of the 42-day period needed by the World Health Organisation (WHO) to confirm Nigeria has quashed its Ebola outbreak.

Nigeria's success in containing the Ebola virus ought to be a major national humiliation for the US, a national humiliation like what Sputnik had been back in 1957.

 

[Toni]

Ebola outbreak: Nigeria is 'a week away' from beating virus - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent

Nigeria will be officially declared Ebola-free in less than a week after containing the disease that has killed more than 4,000 people.

Eight of the 20 people infected in the country died and there have been no new cases confirmed since 8 September.

It means it is less than a week short of the 42-day period needed by the World Health Organisation (WHO) to confirm Nigeria has quashed its Ebola outbreak.

Nigeria's success in containing the Ebola virus ought to be a major national humiliation for the US, a national humiliation like what Sputnik had been back in 1957.

I don't agree. Not at all. Instead, if indeed Nigeria has beaten this Ebola outbreak, it should be a cause of great rejoicing world wide.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ebola outbreak: Nigeria is 'a week away' from beating virus - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent

Nigeria will be officially declared Ebola-free in less than a week after containing the disease that has killed more than 4,000 people.

Eight of the 20 people infected in the country died and there have been no new cases confirmed since 8 September.

It means it is less than a week short of the 42-day period needed by the World Health Organisation (WHO) to confirm Nigeria has quashed its Ebola outbreak.

Nigeria's success in containing the Ebola virus ought to be a major national humiliation for the US, a national humiliation like what Sputnik had been back in 1957.

In defense of the US, we've never had to deal with this before... and we are only looking at two contamination diagnoses. Until we find out the disease went all Outbreak and only Dustin Hoffman and Cuba Gooding Jr can save us.

What is odd is that the guy was sick as a dog on the plane, yet didn't infect anyone on the plane. I'm starting to think movies aren't realistic. I'm going to just get my information from the Internet from now on.

 

[dismal]

Ebola has gone airborne!!! Ebola traveled in a plane to and out of NE Ohio while inside the second nurse from the hospital in Texas. The second nurse flew to Cleveland, visited in Akron, and went back home. Allegedly the second nurse had a minor fever of 99.5 degrees while on the flight. That precision makes me wonder what the reading is from.

So why was a nurse allowed to fly on a plane right after treating an ebola patient?

Christ... Cleveland's first chance at a Title in years and now this!

Living in Akron gives me a new perspective on the Ebola scare and I'm turning up the panic to 11. I'm locking myself in my house with my family. Glad I held onto those plastic tarps and duct tape that the W Admin convinced me to buy years ago.

News report says she wasn't feeling well and took the temperature reading herself...and then got on the plane. Let's hope the solution to this thing is not one that relies on people having some common sense.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ebola has gone airborne!!! Ebola traveled in a plane to and out of NE Ohio while inside the second nurse from the hospital in Texas. The second nurse flew to Cleveland, visited in Akron, and went back home. Allegedly the second nurse had a minor fever of 99.5 degrees while on the flight. That precision makes me wonder what the reading is from.

So why was a nurse allowed to fly on a plane right after treating an ebola patient?

Christ... Cleveland's first chance at a Title in years and now this!

Living in Akron gives me a new perspective on the Ebola scare and I'm turning up the panic to 11. I'm locking myself in my house with my family. Glad I held onto those plastic tarps and duct tape that the W Admin convinced me to buy years ago.

News report says she wasn't feeling well and took the temperature reading herself...and then got on the plane. Let's hope the solution to this thing is not one that relies on people having some common sense.

I have read subsequently, she didn't have a fever until she got back to Dallas.

 

[dismal]

News report says she wasn't feeling well and took the temperature reading herself...and then got on the plane. Let's hope the solution to this thing is not one that relies on people having some common sense.

I have read subsequently, she didn't have a fever until she got back to Dallas.

DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – The CDC has announced that the second healthcare worker diagnosed with Ebola — now identified as Amber Joy Vinson of Dallas — traveled by air Oct. 13, with a low-grade fever, a day before she showed up at the hospital reporting symptoms.

The CDC is now reaching out to all passengers who flew on Frontier Airlines flight 1143 Cleveland to Dallas/Fort Worth. The flight landed at 8:16 p.m. CT.

All 132 passengers on the flight are being asked to call 1 800-CDC INFO (1 800 232-4636). Public health professionals will begin interviewing passengers about the flight Wednesday afternoon.

“Although she (Vinson) did not report any symptoms and she did not meet the fever threshold of 100.4, she did report at that time she took her temperature and found it to be 99.5,” said CDC Director Tom Frieden. Her temperature coupled with the fact that she had been exposed to the virus should have prevented her from getting on the plane, he said.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/10/15/ebola-patient-traveled-day-before-diagnosis/