Flu vaccine mandatory at Cornell...for white students

[Derec]

Henrietta Lacks. Tuskegee syphilis study and a lot of other offenses that have bread distrust of government medical anything over the years.

That was a long time ago. Longer than most of these Cornell freshmen's parents have been alive even.
And Henrietta Lacks wasn't exactly harmed by her cell lines being used after her death.
Neither has anything to do with flu vaccines anyway. Nor with the medical profession in 2020.

Not mandating/requiring minorities to get the vaccine is an attempt to get them to have a higher vaccination rate.

How does that work? And even if it did, it does not justify blatant discrimination by race, which is also grossly patronizing to the non-white students.

It doesn't give me a migraine to comprehend what is being done.

It's easy to comprehend, but impossible to justify. I'd have thought this would have been a wokeness bridge too far even for the left-wing posters on this forum. I guess I had too high an opinion of some of you.

 

[Derec]

So anti-vaxx is apparently cool if it’s woke.

A great deal of regressive ideas are seemingly cool if covered in a woke veneer.

 

[Derec]

You know what is really funny about anti-vax? Trump and the GOP have adopted 99% of the anti-vaxxers into their tent.

1. Stop derailing. This thread is not about Trump - we have a whole subforum for him. Go there.
2. It's not true anyway. Plenty of antivaxxers among the granola progressives.

 

[Derec]

OP read some articles on the right wing sites and they all said the same thing. Imaging that. I wonder if OP read the full policies?

Have you? You were very quick to defend these racist policies on grounds of some things that happened over half a century ago.

How much you want to bet that the vaccine compliance among BILOC students at Cornell is WAY higher than among any given white Christian community.

If you want to use woke alphabet salad, do it correctly. The current PC term designed to other white people is "BIPOC", not "BILOC".

And I will take you up on that bet.

This is really just a nod of acknowledgement and it is hilarious to do a google search and see the right wing angst about it.

Giving a race-based exemption to immunization requirements is more than a "nod of acknowledgment".

 

[Derec]

Troutsi opened door on the anti-vaxx generalization. This is America. Anti-vaxx likes Trump. Anti-vaxx people of color are actually likely to be Kanye West types that flipped to the GOP. I'm sure there are some lefty whackos.

Antiwaxxers can be found all along the political spectrum actually.

Other exemption (for *FLU VACCINATION* requirement only): Ithaca students with other concerns / extenuating circumstances may request an exemption from the Fall 2020 flu vaccination requirement that is part of the university's COVID-19 Behavioral Compact. (Learn more about why Cornell is requiring flu vaccination for students.) Students who identify as Black, Indigenous, or as a Person of Color (BIPOC) may have personal concerns about fulfilling the Compact requirements based on historical injustices and current events, and may find this information helpful in considering an exemption.
To apply for a non-medical/religious exemption to the flu vaccination requirement, students should send us a secure message through our patient portal explaining why you believe you should receive an exemption from this requirement. Log in to myCornellHealth and select Messages & Pharmacy Services > New Message > Send a message or an attachment to Immunization Requirements.

Pretty narrow.

Hardly narrow. It basically says any non-white person can get an exemption just by sending them a message saying their feels are hurt.

 

[Derec]

That this is a race issue makes me think the claimant is cognitively impaired, at least biased, which is really the same thing. Cornell is clearly being a leader, doing the historically proper and just thing.

There is nothing proper or just about this racist idiocy. But it is par for the course for left-wing ideology on race.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Have you ever been a student there? Do you know anyone who has ever been a student there? Have they told you what Cornell is like?

Is this meant to be some kind of defence? What on earth does my student status there have to do with a discussion on whether universities, including universities that take public funds, should be able or not able to discriminate by race?

Do you think private and public institutions should be able to discriminate by race?

So you know nothing about this university? Excellent. Thank-you for your uneducated and uninformed opinion. Please carry on with your entertaining grievance fantasy.

Surprised? I'm not surprised institutions in the fever-grip of CRT are discriminating against white people. No, "surprised" is not the word, Moogly. I was surprised by the openness of the admission, though.

Though I am, seemingly, repeatedly surprised by how much support people on this board espouse for open discrimination by race (as long as it's discrimination against white people). I should stop being surprised, I suppose, and revise my perceptions of the morality of posters on this board downwards.

You must be afraid of something. Please talk about that, maybe we can help you. Also, please take some time to learn about Cornell and its history, do your homework and you won't be so surprised. Maybe you even want to see what Uncle Ezra has to say on the issue.

 

[Metaphor]

So you know nothing about this university? Excellent. Thank-you for your uneducated and uninformed opinion. Please carry on with your entertaining grievance fantasy.

I did not say I knew nothing. I find it strange that you believe that to comment on whether a university discriminating by race is acceptable, you have to be within that university.

You must be afraid of something. Please talk about that, maybe we can help you. Also, please take some time to learn about Cornell and its history, do your homework and you won't be so surprised. Maybe you even want to see what Uncle Ezra has to say on the issue.

Of course I'm afraid. I'm afraid that America's institutions, private and public, are in the fevered grip of critical race theory madness; that open discrimination by race (as long as it's discrimination against white people or Asians) is championed; and that this vulgar, immoral mania will (already has) spread to other Anglophone nations (like Britain and Australia).

And as for being surprised that people on this board not only see nothing wrong here but support it, don't worry. I lower my expectations for the level of moral reasoning board members here display each day.

 

[scombrid]

Antiwaxxers can be found all along the political spectrum actually.

That used to be true but they are increasingly in the right wing camp having been drawn into the accepting fold. Check Natural News and all the right wing sites for example. Which party has the most active anti-vaxxers in elected office. I wonder how the new Q Congressmen like Marjorie Greene feel about vaccines and science in general.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

So you know nothing about this university? Excellent. Thank-you for your uneducated and uninformed opinion. Please carry on with your entertaining grievance fantasy.

I did not say I knew nothing. I find it strange that you believe that to comment on whether a university discriminating by race is acceptable, you have to be within that university.

You must be afraid of something. Please talk about that, maybe we can help you. Also, please take some time to learn about Cornell and its history, do your homework and you won't be so surprised. Maybe you even want to see what Uncle Ezra has to say on the issue.

Of course I'm afraid. I'm afraid that America's institutions, private and public, are in the fevered grip of critical race theory madness; that open discrimination by race (as long as it's discrimination against white people or Asians) is championed; and that this vulgar, immoral mania will (already has) spread to other Anglophone nations (like Britain and Australia).

And as for being surprised that people on this board not only see nothing wrong here but support it, don't worry. I lower my expectations for the level of moral reasoning board members here display each day.

 

[thebeave]

https://www.tmz.com/2020/12/09/dr-fauci-black-woman-lead-scientists-developed-covid-19-vaccine/

While it might have sounded awkward, Fauci was simply addressing the elephant in the room -- a new study shows only 14% of African-Americans trust the vaccine will be safe and only 18% trust it'll be effective. That's alarming, considering a large portion of the country needs to get vaccinated in order to beat the virus which has disproportionally affected people of color.

Saw this yesterday, and it reminded me of this thread (though its about coronavirus, not the flu). The level of trust in the vaccine is disturbingly low for Blacks. Makes you wonder if its due to the constant "White people bad" narrative that's being pushed by the media and the loony left to the point where there is now a serious, irrational paranoia going on. The fact that Dr. Fauci has to step up and say that a Black person helped develop the vaccine so as to help alleviate their fears of the vaccine is just insane.

In an effort to show how "not racist" they are by demonizing Whites, the "woke crowd" has likely put the lives of Blacks at risk by continually stoking their fears of Whites. Talk about wokeness backfiring...

 

[laughing dog]

You knew jack shit as usual.

Any student can apply for a medical or religious exemption. No discrimination there, except of course once again we see people who believe things for bad reasons (religious exemptions) be allowed to indulge that, whilst people who believe things for other reasons (good or bad, doesn't matter - political, sociological, ideological) - no exemption on that basis.

The "other exemption" rule specifically names BIPOC students as students who would be given an exemption based on their BIPOC status, if they want one. That isn't a reason available to white students. Cornell is discriminating by race.

Try to actually think instead of mimicking what some conservative clickbait brays. Cornell is simply pointing out that a possible non-medical exemption for BIPOC who"may have personal concerns about fulfilling the Compact requirements based on historical injustices and current events, and may find this information helpful in considering an exemption." There is no evidence whatsoever that if white people can come up with historical injustices and current events that may generate personal concerns on their part , that they will be rejected.

Oy gevalt one obtuseness doth thread upon the other's heels, so quickly they follow.

Says the screeching brayer of reactionary conservative clickbait!!!!

BIPOC can be given an exemption as BIPOC.

The relevant language is

Students who identify as Black, Indigenous, or as a Person of Color (BIPOC) may have personal concerns about fulfilling the Compact requirements based on historical injustices and current events, and may find this information helpful in considering an exemption.
To apply for a non-medical/religious exemption to the flu vaccination requirement, students should send us a secure message through our patient portal explaining why you believe you should receive an exemption from this requirement.

Apparently the you and the others of the reactionary SJWs interpret this language to mean a student can request an exemption by saying "I am BIPOC". However, the reading of the actual language suggests that student can request an exemption by saying "I do not trust this vaccine because of the the history (or current policy) of the government towards
black (or indigenous or latino) people."

Frankly, I think allowing anyone who does not have a valid medical reason to have a vaccination exemption is nuts.

 

[Jokodo]

While I don't agree that either should be good enough, "My grandfather was illegally experimented on and the researchers got away with it because he was black, so how do I know I'm not being experimented on?" is clearly a better reason for an exemption than "there's this 2000 year old text which we have come to accept as god's word in my family because that's what we do since my great-great-great-great-grandfather's days, and even though it clearly doesn't talk about vaccines (because there weren't any), my pastor interprets it as saying that god doesn't like vaccines".

 

[ruby sparks]

Deeper into Woke clownworld we go. You couldn't make this stuff up.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...nation-mandatory-but-only-for-white-students/

An Ivy League university is requiring that white students receive an annual flu vaccination, while providing an exemption for students belonging to any other race. Because of “historical injustices and current events,” Cornell University will grant to “people of color” an exemption from its requirement that all students get a flu vaccination.
You are forgiven if you get a migraine trying to untangle the logic behind the reasoning for this exemption.
Apparently, because of “systemic racism and health inequities” in the United States, “individuals from some marginalized communities may have concerns about needing to agree to such requirements.”
The following is from the Cornell Health website, cornell.health.edu:
“We recognize that, due to longstanding systemic racism and health inequities in this country, individuals from some marginalized communities may have concerns about needing to agree to such requirements.
For example, historically, the bodies of Black, Indigenous, and other People of Color (BIPOC) have been mistreated, and used by people in power, sometimes for profit or medical gain.
“It is understandable that the current Compact requirements may feel suspect or even exploitative to some BIPOC members of the Cornell community. Additionally, recent acts of violence against Black people by law enforcement may contribute to feelings of distrust or powerlessness.
We know this history and validate the potential concerns it may raise. At the same time, we know that long-standing social inequalities and health disparities have resulted in COVID-19 disproportionately affecting BIPOC individuals.
“Higher percentages of individuals from these communities become infected with COVID, and the health outcomes related to infection are often more serious.
Away from campus community, BIPOC individuals are not as likely to have access to preventive services or quality health care. The systems, services, and policies being implemented at Cornell seek to address these inequalities as well as the differential impacts.”

I've read through a few articles to see if events are being misreported, given the clickbait headline. But they're not.

https://www.campusreform.org/article?id=16344

Your sources seem to be a tad right wing. As such, I'd like to see more or better confirmation that non-whites are, in fact, allowed an exemption.

If they are, I agree it seems daft, on the face of it. But if it is only one of a number of reasons that an exemption can be requested, it's not so bad.

Assuming it is true, my only caveat would be the usual one, that it is incorrect to lump this sort of racial discrimination in with other sorts and what is normally understood by the term racism.

ETA: I see that I may have jumped in without reading all the prior posts. It seems BIPOC students are allowed to request an exemption.

 

[Alcoholic Actuary]

Deeper into Woke clownworld we go. You couldn't make this stuff up.

https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com...nation-mandatory-but-only-for-white-students/

An Ivy League university is requiring that white students receive an annual flu vaccination, while providing an exemption for students belonging to any other race. Because of “historical injustices and current events,” Cornell University will grant to “people of color” an exemption from its requirement that all students get a flu vaccination.
You are forgiven if you get a migraine trying to untangle the logic behind the reasoning for this exemption.
Apparently, because of “systemic racism and health inequities” in the United States, “individuals from some marginalized communities may have concerns about needing to agree to such requirements.”
The following is from the Cornell Health website, cornell.health.edu:
“We recognize that, due to longstanding systemic racism and health inequities in this country, individuals from some marginalized communities may have concerns about needing to agree to such requirements.
For example, historically, the bodies of Black, Indigenous, and other People of Color (BIPOC) have been mistreated, and used by people in power, sometimes for profit or medical gain.
“It is understandable that the current Compact requirements may feel suspect or even exploitative to some BIPOC members of the Cornell community. Additionally, recent acts of violence against Black people by law enforcement may contribute to feelings of distrust or powerlessness.
We know this history and validate the potential concerns it may raise. At the same time, we know that long-standing social inequalities and health disparities have resulted in COVID-19 disproportionately affecting BIPOC individuals.
“Higher percentages of individuals from these communities become infected with COVID, and the health outcomes related to infection are often more serious.
Away from campus community, BIPOC individuals are not as likely to have access to preventive services or quality health care. The systems, services, and policies being implemented at Cornell seek to address these inequalities as well as the differential impacts.”

I've read through a few articles to see if events are being misreported, given the clickbait headline. But they're not.

https://www.campusreform.org/article?id=16344

Your sources seem to be a tad right wing. As such, I'd like to see more or better confirmation that non-whites are, in fact, allowed an exemption.

If they are, I agree it seems daft, on the face of it. But if it is only one of a number of reasons that an exemption can be requested, it's not so bad.

Assuming it is true, my only caveat would be the usual one, that it is incorrect to lump this sort of racial discrimination in with other sorts and what is normally understood by the term racism.

ETA: I see that I may have jumped in without reading all the prior posts. It seems BIPOC students are allowed to request an exemption.

So is everyone. It really screws up this 'discrimination' narrative.

aa

 

[Derec]

Assuming it is true, my only caveat would be the usual one, that it is incorrect to lump this sort of racial discrimination in with other sorts and what is normally understood by the term racism.

Why would it be incorrect? Racism is racism no matter against what race(s) it is directed.

 

[Derec]

While I don't agree that either should be good enough, "My grandfather was illegally experimented on and the researchers got away with it because he was black, so how do I know I'm not being experimented on?"

More like "somebody who had a similar skin hue" rather than "my grandfather".

is clearly a better reason for an exemption than "there's this 2000 year old text which we have come to accept as god's word in my family because that's what we do since my great-great-great-great-grandfather's days, and even though it clearly doesn't talk about vaccines (because there weren't any), my pastor interprets it as saying that god doesn't like vaccines".

Nether is rational.

 

[laughing dog]

Assuming it is true, my only caveat would be the usual one, that it is incorrect to lump this sort of racial discrimination in with other sorts and what is normally understood by the term racism.

Why would it be incorrect? Racism is racism no matter against what race(s) it is directed.

True, but racism has been defined to mean

first defined by the Oxford English Dictionary (2nd edition, 1989) as "[t]he theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race"; the same dictionary termed racism a synonym of racialism: "belief in the superiority of a particular race".

(https://www.google.com/search?channel=cus2&client=firefox-b-1-d&q=racism+definition+oxford). This policy is not racism under either of those understandings.

 

[Derec]

True, but racism has been defined to mean

first defined by the Oxford English Dictionary (2nd edition, 1989) as "[t]he theory that distinctive human characteristics and abilities are determined by race"; the same dictionary termed racism a synonym of racialism: "belief in the superiority of a particular race".

(https://www.google.com/search?channel=cus2&client=firefox-b-1-d&q=racism+definition+oxford). This policy is not racism under either of those understandings.

Funny how this definition is thrown overboard when it's about calling white people "racist" ...

San Diego school district held ‘white privilege’ training, told teachers ‘you are racist’

The CRT definition of racism is "that which all white people possess but BIPOC cannot possess by definition"

 

[Metaphor]

Your sources seem to be a tad right wing. As such, I'd like to see more or better confirmation that non-whites are, in fact, allowed an exemption.

The links to Cornell's own site is there.

If they are, I agree it seems daft, on the face of it. But if it is only one of a number of reasons that an exemption can be requested, it's not so bad.

Assuming it is true, my only caveat would be the usual one, that it is incorrect to lump this sort of racial discrimination in with other sorts and what is normally understood by the term racism.

ETA: I see that I may have jumped in without reading all the prior posts. It seems BIPOC students are allowed to request an exemption.

Whether or not you can request exemptions based on other reasons, it's still racial discrimination.

Under the 'religious' exemption explanation, it specifically rules out "Philosophical, political, scientific, or sociological objections."

So, Cornell, in all her wisdom, has decided that
* If you think God wants you not to vaccinate, you may be exempted
* If you have paranoid fantasies that vaccinations are a government conspiracy to experiment on "Black bodies", and you are BIPOC, you may be exempted
* If you object to tying a tertiary education to having a mandatory flu vaccine, you can go straight to hell. That's an ideological objection and doesn't count.