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Flu vaccine mandatory at Cornell...for white students

After further research, I think I can settle this now, and in favor of the view that the exemption is offered to everyone.

Here's is the archived page from 8-28-20, which is the earliest I found with the flu exemption.

Other exemption (for flu vaccination requirement only): Ithaca students with other concerns / extenuating circumstances may request an exemption from the Fall 2020 flu vaccination requirement. To do so, send us a secure message through our patient portal explaining why you believe you should receive an exemption from this requirement. Log in to myCornellHealth and select Messages & Pharmacy Services > New Message > Send a message or an attachment to Immunization Requirements.

Notice that it doesn't include the BIPOC language at all, so it was at first offered to everyone.

Further, here is the page on 9-2-20

​​​​​To do so, send us a secure message through our patient portal explaining why you believe you should receive an exemption from this requirement. Log in to myCornellHealth and select Messages & Pharmacy Services > New Message > Send a message or an attachment to Immunization Requirements.

That's the earliest page available with BIPOC language, and notice that it starts with "for example" which further confirms that BIPOC history was only intended as one possible exemption reason.

That's how they should have left the page, but some dunce decided to change it with the confusing language it has now. I give them a D- for this change. They should come see me after class.
 
After further research, I think I can settle this now, and in favor of the view that the exemption is offered to everyone.

Here's is the archived page from 8-28-20, which is the earliest I found with the flu exemption.

[FONT=&]Other exemption (for flu vaccination requirement only):[/FONT][FONT=&] Ithaca students with other concerns / extenuating circumstances may request an exemption from the [/FONT]Fall 2020 flu vaccination requirement[FONT=&]. To do so, send us a secure message through our patient portal explaining why you believe you should receive an exemption from this requirement. Log in to [/FONT]myCornellHealth[FONT=&] and select Messages & Pharmacy Services > New Message > Send a message or an attachment to Immunization Requirements.[/FONT]

Notice that it doesn't include the BIPOC language at all, so it was at first offered to everyone.

Further, here is the page on 9-2-20

​​​​​To do so, send us a secure message through our patient portal explaining why you believe you should receive an exemption from this requirement. Log in to myCornellHealth and select Messages & Pharmacy Services > New Message > Send a message or an attachment to Immunization Requirements.

That's the earliest page available with BIPOC language, and notice that it starts with "for example" which further confirms that BIPOC history was only intended as one possible exemption reason.

That's how they should have left the page, but some dunce decided to change it with the confusing language it has now. I give them a D- for this change. They should come see me after class.

Thank you for doing the research and posting your findings.

I agree that the earlier versions were better than the one we've been discussing. Perhaps Cornell will revise it again.
 
After further research, I think I can settle this now, and in favor of the view that the exemption is offered to everyone.

Here's is the archived page from 8-28-20, which is the earliest I found with the flu exemption.

Other exemption (for flu vaccination requirement only): Ithaca students with other concerns / extenuating circumstances may request an exemption from the Fall 2020 flu vaccination requirement. To do so, send us a secure message through our patient portal explaining why you believe you should receive an exemption from this requirement. Log in to myCornellHealth and select Messages & Pharmacy Services > New Message > Send a message or an attachment to Immunization Requirements.

Notice that it doesn't include the BIPOC language at all, so it was at first offered to everyone.

Further, here is the page on 9-2-20

​​​​​To do so, send us a secure message through our patient portal explaining why you believe you should receive an exemption from this requirement. Log in to myCornellHealth and select Messages & Pharmacy Services > New Message > Send a message or an attachment to Immunization Requirements.

That's the earliest page available with BIPOC language, and notice that it starts with "for example" which further confirms that BIPOC history was only intended as one possible exemption reason.

That's how they should have left the page, but some dunce decided to change it with the confusing language it has now. I give them a D- for this change. They should come see me after class.

It isn't in dispute that anyone can request an 'other' exemption. It's the ability to request an 'other exemption' for being BIPOC.

BIPOC can request an 'other' exemption for every reason a white person could, plus just being BIPOC.

EDIT: Also, thanks for finding the archived pages.
 
And other posters on this thread do not think it is clear at all. So, what do we then consider to satisfy the matter of 'clearness'? It is evidently disputed.

Toni invoked her mental superiority:
Toni said:
The point is extremely clear to anyone with a high school level of reading comprehension.


So either Toni is accusing me of not having a high school level of reading comprehension, or she thinks I am lying to win friends and influence people.

Others have invoked the biased mindset of 'conservatives' and or the 'right-wing'.

And you then speculated that the 'clear to others' group includes Cornell students, who presumably do have a high school reading level and are not morally bankrupt right-wingers.

EDIT: and here's a thing. I think you, Toni, and Arctish all think it seems 'clear' because you consistently downplay the influence, and sometimes even the very existence, of woke ideas that have laid waste to common sense in the American academy for decades (though wokeness' long march through the institutions has quickened to a gallop recently).

I think it is clear because I have a greater than high school level reading comprehension.

I think you do, as well. I think you simply want to argue.
 
And other posters on this thread do not think it is clear at all. So, what do we then consider to satisfy the matter of 'clearness'? It is evidently disputed.

Toni invoked her mental superiority:
Toni said:
The point is extremely clear to anyone with a high school level of reading comprehension.


So either Toni is accusing me of not having a high school level of reading comprehension, or she thinks I am lying to win friends and influence people.

Others have invoked the biased mindset of 'conservatives' and or the 'right-wing'.

And you then speculated that the 'clear to others' group includes Cornell students, who presumably do have a high school reading level and are not morally bankrupt right-wingers.

EDIT: and here's a thing. I think you, Toni, and Arctish all think it seems 'clear' because you consistently downplay the influence, and sometimes even the very existence, of woke ideas that have laid waste to common sense in the American academy for decades (though wokeness' long march through the institutions has quickened to a gallop recently).

I think it is clear because I have a greater than high school level reading comprehension.

I think you do, as well. I think you simply want to argue.

As I said: you think I'm lying about it not being clear.
 
After further research, I think I can settle this now, and in favor of the view that the exemption is offered to everyone.

Here's is the archived page from 8-28-20, which is the earliest I found with the flu exemption.



Notice that it doesn't include the BIPOC language at all, so it was at first offered to everyone.

Further, here is the page on 9-2-20



That's the earliest page available with BIPOC language, and notice that it starts with "for example" which further confirms that BIPOC history was only intended as one possible exemption reason.

That's how they should have left the page, but some dunce decided to change it with the confusing language it has now. I give them a D- for this change. They should come see me after class.

It isn't in dispute that anyone can request an 'other' exemption. It's the ability to request an 'other exemption' for being BIPOC.

BIPOC can request an 'other' exemption for every reason a white person could, plus just being BIPOC.

They could, and it probably would be deemed insufficient. The FAQ talks about personal concerns based on historical injustices and current events, not merely belonging to the group that is associated with them.

Students seeking an exemption on religious grounds have to present a written and signed statement that they object to immunization due to their religious beliefs. They have to explain in their own words why they are requesting this religious exemption, describe the religious principles that guide their objection to immunization, indicate whether they are opposed to all immunizations, and if not, the religious basis that prohibits this particular one.

Even the requirements for requesting an exemption for medical reasons are pretty strict:

Medical exemption: A medical exemption must be written by a physician, physician assistant, or nurse practitioner and state that a valid contraindication to vaccination exists. The exemption must specify which immunizations are contraindicated and why, and how long the medical contraindication will last.

I see no reason to suppose students who request an exemption based on their personal experiences with historic and current injustice wouldn't have to produce a similarly detailed statement.

I think Cornell should have left well enough alone and kept the wording of the 8-28-20 version. I think perhaps Cornell Health was concerned that the second version opened the door to exemptions too wide and tried to walk it back a bit with the third. But that's all water under the bridge at this point.
 
I think it is clear because I have a greater than high school level reading comprehension.

I think you do, as well. I think you simply want to argue.

As I said: you think I'm lying about it not being clear.

I think it is very clear.

It is possible that it is somehow less clear due to slight cultural differences between USA and AU.

Perhaps I am wrong about your reading comprehension level. Perhaps you are trying to make a point that is not well supported by the case you presented.

Only you know the inner workings of your mind.
 
I think it is clear because I have a greater than high school level reading comprehension.

I think you do, as well. I think you simply want to argue.

As I said: you think I'm lying about it not being clear.

I think it is very clear.

It is possible that it is somehow less clear due to slight cultural differences between USA and AU.

Perhaps I am wrong about your reading comprehension level. Perhaps you are trying to make a point that is not well supported by the case you presented.

Only you know the inner workings of your mind.

Perhaps you might consider whether your own biases make the page appear to be more clear in meaning than it would be to other people without the same biases.
 
I see no reason to suppose students who request an exemption based on their personal experiences with historic and current injustice wouldn't have to produce a similarly detailed statement.

The medical and religious exemptions were based on NY state law. The flu vaccination exemption is Cornell policy and not based on state law. It is entirely possible that exemptions for 'Behavioural Compact' flu vaccinations are more lenient. But even if it's the case that you have to be very articulate and make a very convincing case for an 'other' exemption, if Cornell gives exemptions to any BIPOC students that it would not have given to white students, it seems to me impossible to claim that it isn't a race-based exemption.
 
I see no reason to suppose students who request an exemption based on their personal experiences with historic and current injustice wouldn't have to produce a similarly detailed statement.

The medical and religious exemptions were based on NY state law. The flu vaccination exemption is Cornell policy and not based on state law. It is entirely possible that exemptions for 'Behavioural Compact' flu vaccinations are more lenient. But even if it's the case that you have to be very articulate and make a very convincing case for an 'other' exemption, if Cornell , it seems to me impossible to claim that it isn't a race-based exemption.

And if Cornell gives exemptions to white students that it would not have given to BIPOC students, what then?

Suppose a white student requests an exemption based on a personal experience that white people sometimes have and BIPOC persons never do. Would granting it be acceptable, or not?
 
It isn't in dispute that anyone can request an 'other' exemption.

Yes, it was, I disputed it myself. And someone else has claimed there was no exemption on offer at all.
 
I think it is very clear.

It is possible that it is somehow less clear due to slight cultural differences between USA and AU.

Perhaps I am wrong about your reading comprehension level. Perhaps you are trying to make a point that is not well supported by the case you presented.

Only you know the inner workings of your mind.

Perhaps you might consider whether your own biases make the page appear to be more clear in meaning than it would be to other people without the same biases.

My bias towards understanding the written word?
 
I see no reason to suppose students who request an exemption based on their personal experiences with historic and current injustice wouldn't have to produce a similarly detailed statement.

The medical and religious exemptions were based on NY state law. The flu vaccination exemption is Cornell policy and not based on state law. It is entirely possible that exemptions for 'Behavioural Compact' flu vaccinations are more lenient. But even if it's the case that you have to be very articulate and make a very convincing case for an 'other' exemption, if Cornell gives exemptions to any BIPOC students that it would not have given to white students, it seems to me impossible to claim that it isn't a race-based exemption.

There is ZERO evidence that Cornell gives BIPOC students an exemption that is not given to white students.
 
And if Cornell gives exemptions to white students that it would not have given to BIPOC students, what then?

Suppose a white student requests an exemption based on a personal experience that white people sometimes have and BIPOC persons never do. Would granting it be acceptable, or not?

No, though I'm struggling to understand what kind of experience is exclusive to a particular race and is so generalisable that everyone of that race is rational to fear it and nobody of any other race has any business entertaining the possibility.
 
I see no reason to suppose students who request an exemption based on their personal experiences with historic and current injustice wouldn't have to produce a similarly detailed statement.

The medical and religious exemptions were based on NY state law. The flu vaccination exemption is Cornell policy and not based on state law. It is entirely possible that exemptions for 'Behavioural Compact' flu vaccinations are more lenient. But even if it's the case that you have to be very articulate and make a very convincing case for an 'other' exemption, if Cornell gives exemptions to any BIPOC students that it would not have given to white students, it seems to me impossible to claim that it isn't a race-based exemption.

There is ZERO evidence that Cornell gives BIPOC students an exemption that is not given to white students.

I would like Cornell to clarify its policy. Of course, there's zero evidence because there's zero data about who was and wasn't given exemptions and Cornell, I imagine, is going to keep it that way.
 
I think it is very clear.

It is possible that it is somehow less clear due to slight cultural differences between USA and AU.

Perhaps I am wrong about your reading comprehension level. Perhaps you are trying to make a point that is not well supported by the case you presented.

Only you know the inner workings of your mind.

Perhaps you might consider whether your own biases make the page appear to be more clear in meaning than it would be to other people without the same biases.

My bias towards understanding the written word?

No. Your biases are myriad and that isn't one of them.
 
.... I'm struggling to understand what kind of experience is exclusive to a particular race and is so generalisable that everyone of that race is rational to fear it and nobody of any other race has any business entertaining the possibility.

Perhaps 'exclusive' is too strong. But we can still identify experiences that are/were race-related. And I think not having 'any business entertaining the possibility' is a bit strong too. The BIPOC experiences/concerns were singled out for mention and validating, yes, but as we now see, anyone else could make a case (albeit not on BIPOC grounds). In theory, the son or daughter of a white ex-soldier who had been the victim of biomedical experiments on soldiers could try to make a similar case.

I see no reason to suppose students who request an exemption based on their personal experiences with historic and current injustice wouldn't have to produce a similarly detailed statement.

The medical and religious exemptions were based on NY state law. The flu vaccination exemption is Cornell policy and not based on state law. It is entirely possible that exemptions for 'Behavioural Compact' flu vaccinations are more lenient. But even if it's the case that you have to be very articulate and make a very convincing case for an 'other' exemption, if Cornell gives exemptions to any BIPOC students that it would not have given to white students, it seems to me impossible to claim that it isn't a race-based exemption.

Imo, it is both race-based and not race-based. If certain events happened that partly caused a certain subset of a population to have particular concerns, then it's mainly based on those concerns, not the colour of their skin. To take an extreme hypothetical alternative example for illustration/comparison purposes only, if Jews in Europe after 1945 had previously had experiences that led some of them to have concerns about taking part in some official medical program or other, then a potential exemption on those grounds would not merely be entertained because they were Jewish, but more because of the events that gave rise to the concerns.

In principle at least, addressing race-based problems can legitimately have a race-based approach. If the plumbing in my old house is leaking badly, I try to get a plumber, I don't necessarily advertise to get a different tradesman to fix everything else about the house at that same time. It's not anti-electrician to do that. The USA has plumbing race-based problems.

I do still think this was a bit too woke in the circumstances, for reasons given. I think many here might agree with Arctish in saying that the original wording that blastula unearthed might, on the whole, have been better left as it was, and/or that the first revision was at least better than the final version. The line between being too accommodating and not being accommodating enough is a thin one, especially at the moment, with all the heightened political tensions around race, imo. It's a minefield.

I do wonder how many young BIPOC people of college age in the US actually have the particular mistrust in question based on their own racial experiences, rather than perhaps via the influence on their opinions of the experiences, communicated to them at home, of their parents or grandparents. Sure, the young BIPOC might have the view that for a variety of reasons, access to healthcare is still not as good for their demographic, but that would only seem relevant if (a) their access was here being restricted in some way or (b) they were being singled out for a (possibly seen as dubious) treatment. 'Cornell seeks to dissuade BIPOC from getting crucial healthcare' or 'Cornell targets BIPOC for lesser treatment' would be much more controversial headlines.
 
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.... I'm struggling to understand what kind of experience is exclusive to a particular race and is so generalisable that everyone of that race is rational to fear it and nobody of any other race has any business entertaining the possibility.

No you aren't. You either skipped right past the post upthread that mentioned specifically black people being singled out for medical experimentation and otherwise exploited in society and sometimes by the medical profession or you simply do not believe history.

Here's one link to one of the most infamous examples:

https://www.cdc.gov/tuskegee/timeline.htm

https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/henriettalacks/


Moreover, you are yet again, misrepresenting the words and situation to suit your own bias. No one has ever suggested that ALL BIPOC are suspicious of the medical community. Cornell merely acknowledged that some in those communities are suspicious because of historical exploitation by the medical community and by society in general.
 
Where does Cornell say that only BIPOC can apply for this exemption?

Quite apart from the fact that BIPOC are specifically being addressed, how would a non-BIPOC person cite the relevant grounds, what Cornell explicitly calls the valid (BIPOC) concerns?

The wording could be generously read as offering an exemption to anyone with "extenuating circumstances," and then giving as an example one based on BIPOC history.
No offense, but you have it backwards...
That is not "generous". It is a plain reading of the text. It is "disingenuous" to read it otherwise (as the OP and linked article does".
 
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