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i regret watching the video. I regret reading Derec's posts more. This may be the weakest case yet for a police brutality apologist, and yet there he is beclowing himself frantically. Where's the neg rep when I finally need it?
 
i regret watching the video. I regret reading Derec's posts more. This may be the weakest case yet for a police brutality apologist, and yet there he is beclowing himself frantically. Where's the neg rep when I finally need it?

Personally, I’d like a button to allow me to complain about excessive attention-seeking behaviour.
 
Yes, this is absolutely outrageous. These cops really earned the name pigs.

I say it all the time, and I'll say it again, the police in the US are pretty much a gang of thugs with the authority of the state.

Law enforcement in the USA does seem to have fairly unique and sometimes worrying features. I’d guess there are a wide variety of explanations involving history and culture and so on and so forth.

But I’d still guess that by far the majority of police officers are doing a great job in difficult circumstances and I’d certainly hope that I had guessed right.
 
Did we lose our shot at a better America when these two men were assassinated?

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We are never going to be able to live together perhaps...
 
More than anything else, it is just a real pity. (the social/economic/cultural/ethnic issues I mean). America is a great country in so many ways.
 
Yes, this is absolutely outrageous. These cops really earned the name pigs.

I say it all the time, and I'll say it again, the police in the US are pretty much a gang of thugs with the authority of the state.

Law enforcement in the USA does seem to have fairly unique and sometimes worrying features. I’d guess there are a wide variety of explanations involving history and culture and so on and so forth.

But I’d still guess that by far the majority of police officers are doing a great job in difficult circumstances and I’d certainly hope that I had guessed right.

The accounts of compassion and empathy are soon forgotten. The ones of brutality are a source of income and entertainment.
 
i regret watching the video. I regret reading Derec's posts more. This may be the weakest case yet for a police brutality apologist, and yet there he is beclowing himself frantically. Where's the neg rep when I finally need it?

My point is that we should not be jumping to conclusions. We know next to nothing about what actually happened, not even the cause of death.
If the facts support criminal charges, so be it. But there needs to be an investigation first.

By the way, why has the governor not deployed the National Guard to restore order tonight? Minneapolis is burning, and what are he and Mayor Frey doing? Fiddling? Twiddling their thumbs? Making excuses for the rioters?

By the way, one looter got himself killed by his victim.
As Mayor Frey calls for officer's arrest, violence intensifies in Minneapolis
Minneapolis Star Tribune said:
A fatal shooting in the protest area was over looting at a pawn shop, the shots fired by the store's owner, Minneapolis police said early Thursday at a news conference. The wounded man was taken to HCMC, where he died. One person is in custody, a police spokesman said.
I hope the person in custody is an accomplice, and not the store owner who was merely defending himself and his livelihood from the looters.
 
The accounts of compassion and empathy are soon forgotten. The ones of brutality are a source of income and entertainment.

Yes, that is all part of the unfortunate mix.

And not just in America, obviously. Though as I said, America does seem to be almost unique in certain ways. It seems to be a country of very pronounced extremes. In certain ways worse than many other countries and in other ways better than most.
 
Wow racist caricatures in a thread about a black guy's murder and even a Stormfronter admits Derec goes too far.

Now I've seen everything.

That should maybe make you rethink your position. :)

Btw, my position is not that police did nothing wrong. My position is that we should await the results of the investigation, including autopsy and tox screen before assigning blame. What's wrong with that?
 
Wow racist caricatures in a thread about a black guy's murder and even a Stormfronter admits Derec goes too far.

Now I've seen everything.

That should maybe make you rethink your position. :)

Btw, my position is not that police did nothing wrong. My position is that we should await the results of the investigation, including autopsy and tox screen before assigning blame. What's wrong with that?

Would you be comfortable with this officer arresting you if you just got into a car accident that gave you a head injury causing you to have a freak anger issue (it does happen)?

I sure as fuck would not.
 
The accounts of compassion and empathy are soon forgotten. The ones of brutality are a source of income and entertainment.

Yes, that is all part of the unfortunate mix.

And not just in America, obviously. Though as I said, America does seem to be almost unique in certain ways. It seems to be a country of very pronounced extremes. In certain ways worse than many other countries and in other ways better than most.

Extremes indeed. Might be a matter of what they are taught as recruits.



 
If he had a preexisting medical condition, having a knee pressed down upon his neck while he gasps for air is not going to do his health much good. If he was handcuffed and not a threat to the police or public, there was no excuse to kneel on his neck.
 
Slate has an article on the difficulty of holding police accountable for the use of excessive force:

The Supreme Court Broke Police Accountability. Now It Has the Chance to Fix It.

Slate said:
The video of George Floyd’s death that emerged on Tuesday is both shocking and distressingly familiar. Floyd, a 46-year-old black man, is lying on the ground as a white police officer pins him to the ground by the neck. We hear Floyd begging the officer to stop, telling him repeatedly: “I cannot breathe.” But the officer does not let up, and his colleagues taunt Floyd as he dies. “You having fun?” one asks. “You a tough guy,” another says. “Tough guy, huh?” After killing Floyd, the officers falsely claimed he had “physically resisted officers,” necessitating their brutal response.

We’ve seen this before, over and over and over again: police officers, usually white, killing black people who pose no threat to their safety. Although we have only recently begun to witness these executions ourselves thanks to smartphones, they are not a new phenomenon. For as long as law enforcement has existed in the United States, white officers have murdered black people. After the Civil War, Congress sought to address the problem by letting victims and their families sue abusive government officials. But the Supreme Court has butchered that law to prevent countless victims of police brutality from seeking justice through one of the only state-sanctioned avenues available to them. At their conference on Thursday, the justices will have an opportunity to begin unraveling the catastrophic case law that allows so many officers—including, apparently, Floyd’s killers—to murder civilians with impunity. The court has an obligation to fix what it broke.

IMO the most shocking part was this:

The fight against out-of-control qualified immunity has produced a flood of appeals that force SCOTUS to confront the consequences of its own handiwork. On May 18, the court turned away three of these appeals, including a jaw-dropping case in which police were granted qualified immunity after literally stealing $225,000. (There is no clearly established right not to be robbed by cops, the court held.) But there are still 10 on the docket. These cases include:

• Baxter v. Bracey, in which two officers received qualified immunity after siccing their police dog on a suspect who had surrendered and was sitting on the ground with his hands up.

• Corbitt v. Vickers, in which a police officer received qualified immunity after barging into a family’s yard, shooting a 10-year-old child who was lying on the ground, and attempting to shoot a docile dog who posed no threat.

• Cooper v. Flaig, in which police officers received qualified immunity after using a stun gun on an unarmed black man nine times while he was undergoing a mental health episode, killing him. The officers continued to stun the victim while he lay face down on the floor with his hands cuffed behind his back. They laughed as he died in front of them.

Granted, the author is painting a very stark picture, perhaps too stark, but other sources I've looked at back up his claims of fact. .

This is accurate, and Reuters also has a pretty extensive piece on the topic https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-police-immunity-scotus/

That said, QI is only one arrow in the quiver and there's a lot of case law over the years that's built this edifice of unaccountability. From Thurgood Marshall's dissent in the Lyons case:

The District Court found that the city of Los Angeles authorizes its police officers to apply life-threatening chokeholds to citizens who pose no threat of violence, and that respondent, Adolph Lyons, was subjected to such a chokehold. The Court today holds that a federal court is without power to enjoin the enforcement of the city's policy, no matter how flagrantly unconstitutional it may be. Since no one can show that he will be choked in the future, no one -- not even a person who, like Lyons, has almost been choked to death -- has standing to challenge the continuation of the policy. The city is free to continue the policy indefinitely, as long as it is willing to pay damages for the injuries and deaths that result. I dissent from this unprecedented and unwarranted approach to standing.

https://www.oyez.org/cases/1982/81-1064
 
Wow racist caricatures in a thread about a black guy's murder and even a Stormfronter admits Derec goes too far.

Now I've seen everything.

That should maybe make you rethink your position. :)

Btw, my position is not that police did nothing wrong. My position is that we should await the results of the investigation, including autopsy and tox screen before assigning blame. What's wrong with that?

What's wrong with that is that what is clearly seen in the video is absolutely unacceptable, regardless of the results of the autopsy or tox screen. That they should be fired is a foregone conclusion, the only thing left to see is if they are guilty of some form of homicide.
 
Wow racist caricatures in a thread about a black guy's murder and even a Stormfronter admits Derec goes too far.

Now I've seen everything.

That should maybe make you rethink your position. :)

Btw, my position is not that police did nothing wrong. My position is that we should await the results of the investigation, including autopsy and tox screen before assigning blame. What's wrong with that?

Is this an independent autopsy or colleagues of the cops?
 
Derec's position is essentially that Floyd would have died at that exact same moment even without the cop standing on his neck.
 
By the way, why has the governor not deployed the National Guard to restore order tonight? Minneapolis is burning, and what are he and Mayor Frey doing? Fiddling? Twiddling their thumbs? Making excuses for the rioters?
From the article you linked -
The National Guard was ordered to the 3rd Precinct police station to relieve Minneapolis police officers, as demonstrators encircled the precinct, chanting loudly and carrying banners demanding justice for Floyd. St. Paul police and the State Patrol were also on hand.

Maybe you should take your own advice and stop jumping to conclusions.
 
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