How come there are no "context" reports about any excessive force complaints against any of the the four police officers in this thread? Hmmmm.
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Forgery suspect killed by cop restricting his airway
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southernhybrid
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When I watched the video last night on the news, I did't want to believe my eyes. This was obviously a case where some out of control police officers murdered a suspect. He wasn't even suspected of a violent crime. He was suspected of forgery. This was a murder. In fact, I think it was likely murder in the 2nd degree. To make matters worse, the police officers lied about what happened. If it wasn't for videos taken by the people who were watching, they would have probably gotten away with this crime. I think these police officers should be arrested and charged with murder. Let a jury decide their fate. That would be a lot more fair than how they treated their suspect, who never had the opportunity to defend himself in a court of law. That right was taken away from him.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/us/george-floyd-minneapolis-police.html
That in itself should be enough to fire these police officers. Not only did they use a banned technique, but they lied about it.
That's good news. Maybe, just maybe, justice will be served. Whatever happened to protect and serve? Just who were these officers protecting and serving when they killed this man? It's good to see that most of the posters here are well aware that it was the police who were the out of control thugs in this case. It's frightening and disappointing that so many police departments in the US have become full of people who act more like criminals than like protectors. I have no desire to argue about this. It's obvious that you either realize what happened was wrong or you don't. Trying to convince someone who isn't outraged by the actions of these police is a waste of time and energy.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/26/us/george-floyd-minneapolis-police.html
That in itself should be enough to fire these police officers. Not only did they use a banned technique, but they lied about it.
That's good news. Maybe, just maybe, justice will be served. Whatever happened to protect and serve? Just who were these officers protecting and serving when they killed this man? It's good to see that most of the posters here are well aware that it was the police who were the out of control thugs in this case. It's frightening and disappointing that so many police departments in the US have become full of people who act more like criminals than like protectors. I have no desire to argue about this. It's obvious that you either realize what happened was wrong or you don't. Trying to convince someone who isn't outraged by the actions of these police is a waste of time and energy.
TV and credit cards
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Well Mr. Mayor, you could google "supreme court law enforcement leeway" and get plenty of answers. LEOs are free to do their jobs in just about any manner they see fit.
Derec
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The mayor should not be calling for anybody to be arrested and charged. There is a separation of powers for a reason.
It is especially disgraceful to call for arrests and charges before any investigation has been done and before we even know the cause of death!
Well law enforcement officers' job is to apprehend suspects. Because of that they have greater leeway in use of force than a regular citizen. It is amazing that Jacon Frey, supposedly a lawyer, missed the class the day they taught monopoly of the legitimate use of physical force.
Derec
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No, it is not! We do not even know the cause of death yet.
Minneapolis has one of the highest crime rates in the country.
I suspect the anti-police attitude of the city's elected officials such as Frey have a lot to do with that.
Firing these officers before any investigation has been done and before we even know the cause of death is unconscionable.
Justice does not mean crucify police officers in a knee-jerk fashion. It means doing a through and unbiased investigation and letting the chips fall where they may. But do not jump to conlusions like the media and politicians (including, to his shame, Joe Biden) are doing.
This is a discussion forum. It's not supposed to be about declaring one opinion a party line and demonizing everybody who deviates from it!
Derec
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Derec
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That's a stupid rule, especially since so many people getting arrested are faking injury. Not to mention that it mirrors the "Good Samaritan Law" from the Seinfeld Finale.
TSwizzle
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How much of an investigation is required in this case ? There's five/six minutes of video showing a policeman sitting on top of a handcuffed suspect who is clearly in distress. The officer should have helped Floyd, sat him upright to make him comfortable until medics arrived.
It is beyond belief that anyone thinks a police rule mandating police officers to intervene when one of their colleagues is using excessive force is stupid. It sets a clear standard for officers to stop rogue cops. It sends a clear signal that excessive force will not be tolerated. And if it reduces the use of excessive force, it reduces harm and potential lawsuits.
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Derec
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Autopsy results haven't even been released yet.
That's bullshit! Young black men are far more likely to be killed by each other than by police. And only a very small percentage of police killings can be classified as "police brutality".
The 1 in 1000 figure is a lifetime risk, not annual risk. If it was annual risk, it would be terrifying. 1 in 1000 lifetime risk is not.
I think AOC (not the brightest bulb in the already rather dim congressional chandelier) most likely confused the two.
So even for young men, police killings rank very low. To put in one way, you are still more than three times more likely to die by heart disease or cancer by the age of 29 than to be killed by police by the age of 29. You are 15x more likely to deliberately kill yourself. You are 40x more likely to get killed accidentally.
I would say probably 90% or more of the shootings are justified.
Race also plays a role. Blacks are more than five times more likely to kill somebody than whites.
True.
Both sides played a role. Conservatives wanted to save money by defunding mental hospitals, and liberals wanted to make it very hard to commit somebody involuntarily.
Derec
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This is the type of mob rule that has no place in a civilized society.
Everybody is presumed innocent until proven guilty. In this case WE DON'T EVEN HAVE THE FUCKING CAUSE OF DEATH YET!!!
Derec
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I don't know if he was clearly in distress. He could talk normally. So his airway wasn't constricted. The cops probably thought he was faking.
And since we do not have the autopsy/tox screens results, we don't even know if the knee on neck had anything to do with Floyd's death in the first place. For all we know, he could have died from a drug overdose.
Jason Harvestdancer
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They're cops. That's what's wrong. Cops are no longer trained in de-escalation, and are trained in officer safety over all. That eventually leads to abuses such as this where excessive force is excused to the point where it is used even when completely unnecessary.
Some people are focusing on the race of the victim. Others are focusing on them focusing on the race of the victim.
What they need to focus on is that the police in general see the population in general as the enemy. They feel more free to oppress the lower classes because the higher one is in the socio-economic structure the more they can make trouble after-the-fact.
The police are trained to see the people as the enemy and themselves as a separate and distinct group. Those who have not been arrested are those who have gotten away with something and not been caught.
They would have gotten away with it had it not been for the video recording. Because we have this recording technology now, it is easier to spread news of events like this. That is why the police hate recording technology.
Now there are some very justified protests going on. I urge extreme caution when considering using violence in these protests, but I understand it if it happens. Just be very careful because a little bit of violence is all the police need for a very disproportionate response. Still, unless one of these days the police start to reform, there will be real violence meted out against police, with real injury and possibly death. Mob violence is a messy thing. Rumor is that the police may be using technology to suppress cell-phone connectivity, but that is unconfirmed.
Derec
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Whose.
No. It's like saying we should await the results of the autopsy to see whether the doctor made some mistake (like nicking the artery) or whether the patient's death had nothing to do with what the surgeon did. Condemning the surgeon or the police officers before we have any facts is jumping to conclusions.
TSwizzle
Let's Go Brandon!
Ultimately, he was in distress, he's dead !!
It doesn't really matter what Floyd died from at the moment. What matters is that a thug cop was torturing a handcuffed suspect and appeared to be on a power trip. He should not be in the police force at the very least and some sort of criminal charges should be made against him.
TSwizzle
Let's Go Brandon!
Over the years the police have become like a paramilitary type force.
Derec
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I was going to make a similar point. Left-wingers normally LOVE unions, but there is one union they HATE with a passion - the police union.
Justice means to let the investigation to proceed. Not to prejudge the police officers as guilty just because you dislike police.
Besides, many "victims" of justified shootings became hashtags. #SeanReed became a hashtag recently even though he shot at police. "No more hashtags" means that police should not shoot anyone, even when the perp is armed and shooting at them.
Derec
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Yes, tragically.
But look at it from police point of view. If they had a nickel every time a perp feigned injury or illness when getting arrested, they could all afford to retire early.
He had no visible signs of distress at the time. He could speak normally for example.
And they DID call him an ambulance.
In any case, we should await the results of the autopsy and not just assume that police caused his death.
It certainly makes a difference whether police actions caused somebody's death or whether his death was largely independent from anything police did.
ruby sparks
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Pathetic.