Forgery suspect killed by cop restricting his airway

[ZiprHead]

How is this not a religion?

It pretty much is a religion now. Right down to the act of worship and ritual that manifest in the act of going out to protest. If you don't go on the protests, friends etc call you a heretic. My kid and a few friends were planning on going to the beach Saturday but there was a protest organized that day. It was interesting to hear the discussion on how some pious "friends" were asking how you could even think about going to the beach and enjoy yourself while there is a protest. It's frightening. Unfortunately the weather was not that great on Saturday and the beach was cancelled but it would have been very interesting to see how things played out if some of the group had actually gone to the beach.

You would have sided with King George III during the American revolution and called revolutionaries a cult.

 

[Deepak]

Right wing defenders of the Constitution think that Americans exercising their First-Amendment rights are a religion.

Now let's say seven 'fear Antifas' and give thanks for our daily Limbaugh

 

[Emily Lake]

How much of this is attitude, though?

Jesus christ. Loren, I used to have some respect for you.

The point is the left is taking any disparate result as proof of discrimination without looking into it. Your attitude when stopped makes a big difference in whether you get a ticket--and those who think the cops are out to get them are far more likely to react in a way that actually gets them a ticket.

No, actually it doesn't make nearly as big a difference as you think it does. And there's ample evidence that this is the case. You've been provided the evidence over and over again for well over a decade at this point. Honestly, when did I join IIDB? Pretty much since then. With a growing body of well-researched evidence piling up over the years.

But you're all the way back to "Oh it's just attitude".

For fuck's sake, it isn't just attitude.

Honestly, you seem to have totally ignored the example I gave, as if your brain couldn't comprehend something that didn't fit with your previously accepted bias, so you just blanked it out. It's like it didn't even exist for you. Here, I've isolated it so you can try it again. Maybe actually give it some thought this time, hmm?

As an analogy, red vehicles get speeding tickets more often than any other color. If that's the only piece of information you have, you might assume that the drivers of red vehicles speed more often than the drivers of other colored vehicles. Turns out this isn't the case though. In actuality, red vehicles are more noticeable, they stand out more, so they catch the attention of cops. Drivers of all colors of cars speed at roughly the same rate, but the red cars get noticed and pulled over a lot more often, which results in a higher rate of ticketing for red vehicles.

 

[TV and credit cards]

A Small Mississippi Town, ‘Asking for a Breath’ After Mayor’s Remarks Unleash Protests

And what was that comment?

“If you can say you can’t breathe, you’re breathing.”

Boy that sounds familiar.

“As long as I’ve got my health and my strength, I’ll be out here every day,” Ms. Bates, 70, said as she sat on her rolling walker on the front lawn of City Hall.

 

[blastula]

Take the Confederate Names Off Our Army Bases:
It is time to remove the names of traitors like Benning and Bragg from our country’s most important military installations. - The Atlantic

By David Petraeus

 

[blastula]

Our intrepid president has solved the Buffalo police assault case.

[TWEET]https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1270333484528214018[/TWEET]

 

[Deepak]

Take the Confederate Names Off Our Army Bases:
It is time to remove the names of traitors like Benning and Bragg from our country’s most important military installations. - The Atlantic

By David Petraeus

Abso-fucking-lutely.

 

[jab]

in retrospect how ignorant and unprescient these early posts by Derec look

On the contrary, nothing has changed. It is still true that perps will often feign injury and illness. In fact, I suspect that George Floyd will lead to pretty much every perp yelling "I can't breathe" when getting arrested. And it is still true that talking requires air movement through the trachea, so Floyd could still breathe when he was talking.

Note also his drug use (meth AND fentanyl) combined with a heart condition.

yer right, nothing changes a hard cold heart.

 

[lpetrich]

Do Red Cars Get More Speeding Tickets? - at Snopes - claims that they don't.

PAC founded by Colin Kaepernick’s attorney releases scathing video against Ivanka Trump using her dropped commencement speech | The Independent

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez on Twitter: "Asking for a country" / Twitter
noting
VICE News on Twitter: "AOC wants to know why the hell a Predator drone was spying on protesters. https://t.co/chwq7RZux2" / Twitter
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AOC Wants to Know Why the Hell a Predator Drone Was Spying on Protesters - VICE - "The military-grade Predator B drone was far outside the 100-mile operational zone of Customs and Border Protection."

House Democrats are furious over the deployment of a military-grade Predator B drone to surveil protesters in Minneapolis and possibly elsewhere.

And a group of lawmakers including New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D) are demanding answers.

The Trump administration had no right to send the drone over Minneapolis on May 29 because the city is far outside the 100-mile inland operational zone of the Customs and Border Protection, the Democrats wrote in a letter to Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Chad Wolf, released Saturday.

Now they want to know where else drones might have gone, and whether any were using facial recognition software to monitor protesters demonstrating against police violence

 

[lpetrich]

Take the Confederate Names Off Our Army Bases:
It is time to remove the names of traitors like Benning and Bragg from our country’s most important military installations. - The Atlantic

By David Petraeus

Army secretary open to renaming military bases named for Confederate generals | Fox News

A senior Army official told Fox News on Monday that McCarthy did not plan to change the names unilaterally, but instead will seek bipartisan support to do so. U.S. Army installations named after Confederate generals include Fort Benning in Georgia and Fort Bragg in North Carolina.

“We must recognize history is important, but we must come together and have some sort of open discussion about race,” the official said, adding: “This week highlighted the need to start understanding those feelings and the Army secretary is open to considering changing the names of these bases named for Confederate generals.”

Army reverses course, will consider renaming bases named for Confederate leaders - POLITICO

I think that they should consider where to put all these Confederate-hero statues. They should take a hint from Eastern Europe. Their solution is to create Communist-leader statue gardens.

 

[lpetrich]

Britain's imperialist monuments face a bitter reckoning amid Black Lives Matter protests - CNN Style

On Sunday, Black Lives Matter protesters in Bristol, UK, pulled down a statue of 17th-century slave trader Edward Colston and rolled it through the streets before dumping it, unceremoniously, into the River Avon.

Some applauded the move, while others decried what they called "mob rule."

Winston Churchill had a very mixed record, being a very inspiring leader during WWII, but being a total asshole to Britain's colonies.

However, he is also known to have held views relating to societal hierarchies that would be regarded as racist today, and his policies have been blamed for causing the 1943 Bengal famine, which is estimated to have claimed more than three million lives. In March 2019, a study used soil analysis for the first time to argue that the famine was caused by Churchill's policies rather than by serious drought.
Churchill's policies to blame for millions of Indian famine deaths, study says

During Sunday's Black Lives Matter protest, a statue of Churchill standing in London's Parliament Square was daubed with the words "... is a racist."

"Cecil Rhodes, who helped build Britain's empire in southern Africa, is immortalized in a statue outside Oriel College, part of the University of Oxford."

In 2015, a statue of Rhodes was removed from the campus of the University of Cape Town in South Africa.

"He represents the former colonial representation of this country -- supremacy, racism, misogyny," said Ramabina Mahapa, president of the student group that led the campaign to remove the statue, at the time.

David Hume, 18th-cy. Scottish Enlightenment thinker

But Hume's reputation has become tarnished in recent years, with increased focus on his views on race. The sign left on the statue features a line from Hume's essay "Of National Characters" saying that he "is apt to to suspect the negroes ... to be naturally inferior to the whites."

Some others also.

I think that there ought to be some way of acknowledging the very mixed legacy of some of them. Like Winston Churchill and David Hume. WC was an a-hole toward Britain's colonies, while DH was likely expressing common stereotypes.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Do Red Cars Get More Speeding Tickets? - at Snopes - claims that they don't.

From link:

His findings challenged the belief about red cars being dunned with proportionally more of the speeding tickets. Red cars accounted for 14 percent of the local vehicle population and about 16 percent of the citations for speeding, which is not a significant difference. Surprisingly, his informal study did reveal certain statistically significant differences, but they had to do with other colors of vehicle.

White cars, which accounted for 25 percent of the local vehicle population, received only 19 percent of the tickets, which meant such jalopies were cited for their transgressions less often than they should have been. This raises a new hypothesis: Rather than red attracting the unwelcome attentions of the highway patrol, perhaps instead it is the case that police tend not to notice white vehicles that are breaking the law.

According to this informal study, it's not that red cars get pulled over more, it's that white cars get pulled over less. But the same informal study says silver cars get pulled over more. So, the same point could be made but with silver versus white cars as opposed to red versus non-red cars. … Allegedly... if one believes the validity of the informal study. To be open, I don't believe or disbelieve it as it has possible problems such as non-representative sample in his neighborhood versus the greater population of vehicles.

Emily will no doubt support her own argument and I will add that mine was very different. I was discussing proximal versus root causes as follows: some person may say that it's economics going on, not racism. I am saying that economic disparity resulting in different police outcomes is a proximal cause. And that further, the economic disparity has a cause its own which is historical and modern racism. For example, out of a myriad of racist events over the course of the last centuries, I will just throw out one for discussion: redlining. Redlining created barriers to African Americans living in richer, safer areas with less crime and gave them less economic connections and higher probability of economic disadvantage on average. So redlining contributed to the current economic disparity and black people living in high crime areas which then contributes to the greater likelihood of police interaction and bad outcomes. Ergo, proximal cause = economic disparity and root cause = racism.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

The lawyer for one of the officers who watched Floyd's murder is trying to shift the blame to bystanders for not interceding against four armed men with badges:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nati...ests-updates/#link-REP3E2HLTJAV5P5QYWZ2OT62BQ

You can't make this shit up.

 

[ruby sparks]

Do Red Cars Get More Speeding Tickets? - at Snopes - claims that they don't.

From link:

His findings challenged the belief about red cars being dunned with proportionally more of the speeding tickets. Red cars accounted for 14 percent of the local vehicle population and about 16 percent of the citations for speeding, which is not a significant difference. Surprisingly, his informal study did reveal certain statistically significant differences, but they had to do with other colors of vehicle.

White cars, which accounted for 25 percent of the local vehicle population, received only 19 percent of the tickets, which meant such jalopies were cited for their transgressions less often than they should have been. This raises a new hypothesis: Rather than red attracting the unwelcome attentions of the highway patrol, perhaps instead it is the case that police tend not to notice white vehicles that are breaking the law.

According to this informal study, it's not that red cars get pulled over more, it's that white cars get pulled over less. But the same informal study says silver cars get pulled over more. So, the same point could be made but with silver versus white cars as opposed to red versus non-red cars. … Allegedly... if one believes the validity of the informal study. To be open, I don't believe or disbelieve it as it has possible problems such as non-representative sample in his neighborhood versus the greater population of vehicles.

Emily will no doubt support her own argument and I will add that mine was very different. I was discussing proximal versus root causes as follows: some person may say that it's economics going on, not racism. I am saying that economic disparity resulting in different police outcomes is a proximal cause. And that further, the economic disparity has a cause its own which is historical and modern racism. For example, out of a myriad of racist events over the course of the last centuries, I will just throw out one for discussion: redlining. Redlining created barriers to African Americans living in richer, safer areas with less crime and gave them less economic connections and higher probability of economic disadvantage on average. So redlining contributed to the current economic disparity and black people living in high crime areas which then contributes to the greater likelihood of police interaction and bad outcomes. Ergo, proximal cause = economic disparity and root cause = racism.

And you don’t have to go back as far as that. For example, and temporarily moving away from policing, in the 1980s, the US Dept. of Agriculture was systematically short-changing black farmers when it came to allocating grants. Almost all black farmers in the USA were adversely affected. Some lost their farms.

And more recently there was the subprime lending of the early 2000s, when black applicants were, amongst other dubious practices, offered and sold more expensive loans than whites of equivalent financial status.

And then there’s the numerous and in some cases very recent (eg 2016) blind job or tenant application studies, which have nothing to do with economics at all.

The list is long, and it extends to almost every sphere of life. Even if the examples I listed are not about policing, they are about those being policed.

We all know about what is called The Social Contract. Ok, so, if you’re a typical, ordinary black person in the USA, you’re expected to adhere to it while understanding that a lot of the time, you don’t get the benefits of it.

 

[lpetrich]

White House Seeking Ways to Repair Race Relations - American Urban Radio Networks

George Floyd was laid to rest today in his hometown of Houston, with the eulogy delivered by Rev. Al Sharpton.

The White House is preparing a speech on race relations written by Stephen Miller, who crafted the Trump Administration’s immigration plan along the southern border with Mexico.

Vice President Mike Pence recently hosted prominent Black Conservatives at the White House to discuss race relations. However, the administration did not reach out to civil rights organizations including the NAACP, National Action Network, and National Urban League.

Stephen Miller???

Pressure mounts on Trump to project unity - CNNPolitics

Trump has been painting a dire picture of a country teetering on the edge of lawlessness, accusing leftist anti-fascist group Antifa of orchestrating looting and trying to create the appearance of a scenario that only a strongman leader could solve.

In reality, increasingly violence-free nationwide protests with peaceful crowds braving the implications of a pandemic are providing exactly the opposite impression Trump is trying to portray with his dystopian rhetoric.

But Trump's team is beginning to signal a shift that might see the President tone down the rhetoric in a bid to win back independents and moderate suburban Republicans that he needs to win in November.

Some positive news.
New York State Moves Swiftly On Police Reform Bills : NPR

New York's legislature moved swiftly Monday to pass a first wave of police reform legislation, including a ban on chokeholds, a prohibition on race-based profiling, and a measure requiring police departments and courts to track arrests by race and ethnicity to help identify patterns of bias.

 

[lpetrich]

Trump claimed Buffalo protester knocked over by police is an “antifa provocateur” - Vox - "Martin Gugino is still in critical condition as the president tweets wildly unfounded claims about the man’s run-in with police."

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Buffalo protester shoved by Police could be an ANTIFA provocateur. 75 year old Martin Gugino was pushed away after appearing to scan police communications in order to black out the equipment. @OANN I watched, he fell harder than was pushed. Was aiming scanner. Could be a set up?" / Twitter

OANN - One America News Network - another right-wing news outlet. Seems like Trump watches more than Fox & Friends.

Matthew Gertz on Twitter: "Here's the first half of the batshit OANN segment Trump just tweeted. It alleges the 75 year old man assaulted by Buffalo police officers was an antifa operative, based on a report from Conservative Treehouse. https://t.co/CeMVyJcoh8" / Twitter

Matthew Gertz on Twitter: "Here's the rest of it, which says that media are "fan[ning] the flames of national unrest" by promoting this "far-left provocation" to hurt Trump and help China. https://t.co/enMRQEf8Ko" / Twitter

 

[lpetrich]

NYPD officer who shoved proteser to the ground arrested - CNN - "The NYPD officer who was caught on camera shoving a woman to the pavement during anti-police brutality protests that roiled New York City last week was charged with assault by the Brooklyn District Attorney's office on Tuesday."

Sen. Lisa Murkowski just admitted what we've all known about the GOP for a while now - CNNPolitics

Sen. Lisa Murkowski said the quiet part out loud.

Asked her thoughts Thursday about former Defense Secretary James Mattis' excoriation of President Donald Trump's behavior in the aftermath of the police killing of George Floyd, the Alaska Republican said this:

"When I saw General Mattis' comments yesterday I felt like perhaps we are getting to a point where we can be more honest with the concerns that we might hold internally and have the courage of our own convictions to speak up."

Most of her colleagues continue to be weaselly and evasive, however.

Every single GOP senator -- and House member -- is aware of what happened to then-Arizona Sen. Jeff Flake when he spoke out in 2017 against Trump. Trump attacked him. Claimed that he was not really a Republican. (Flake had one of the most conservative voting records in the Senate during his time there.) And Flake's numbers plummeted, forcing him to choose retirement over a near-certain primary loss fueled by his willingness to say that Trump was doing damage to the GOP.

Trump celebrated Flake's retirement and took credit for it. He also suggested that anyone else who got out of line would get the same treatment. And when Michigan Republican Rep. Justin Amash, who, like Flake, had a near-perfect conservative record, came out in favor of Trump's impeachment, Trump savaged him -- leading Amash to leave the Republican Party entirely.

And so, with very limited exceptions -- Murkowski, Amash and Utah Sen. Mitt Romney being the most prominent -- almost no senator or House member has dared step out of line.

So they live in fear of the wrath of President Anthony Fremont.

 

[lpetrich]

Kayleigh McEnany says CNN's Chris Cuomo, Don Lemon encouraged non-peaceful George Floyd protests | Fox News

A reporter asked if President Trump was sorry for the way peaceful protestors have been treated, as the nation has been flooded with protests, which have sometimes turned violent, since George Floyd’s Memorial Day death in police custody.

“The president is sorry about the fact that Antifa wreaked havoc in our streets, and the failure of some members of the media to note that, like CNN’s Chris Cuomo said, ‘Show me where it says protestors are supposed to be peaceful.’ Well, I point him to the First Amendment where it is said you have the right to ‘peaceably assemble.’ He should go back and read the Constitution,” McEnany said.

George Floyd death: Why US protests are so powerful this time - BBC News

• Floyd's death was particularly 'gruesome and obvious'
• It comes during a pandemic, and high unemployment
• 'It was the last straw'
• These protests appear more racially diverse
• Did police actions have an impact?
• Where could these protests lead?

Trump just revealed a huge weakness. It may prove fatal. - The Washington Post

What’s been exposed is this: Trump simply will not, or cannot, operate out of any conception of what’s good for the country — the whole country. Faced with enormous crises, he has tried to pretend they don’t exist, or has tried gaslighting us into disbelieving our own eyes and ears about them, or has used them as occasions to demagogue and incite hatreds in ways he believes will help his reelection.

Joe Biden's campaigners are focusing on this weakness.

The crucial link drawn here is between Trump’s lack of concern for what’s good for the country and his uncontrollable lying. Precisely because Trump has no such concern, he constantly lies to the country about the challenges it faces.

...
By contrast, of course, Trump lied incessantly to downplay the threat, largely because he feared the truth would rattle the markets and imperil his reelection. Here again the nonstop lying is the direct outgrowth of lack of concern for what’s good for the country.

...
Beychok noted that the scale of the crises rocking the country have driven this home even more starkly. On the coronavirus, for instance, his lying has crossed from something that could easily be tuned out into something that concerns countless Americans’ lives and economic survival.

“Where they used to just chalk this up to, ‘there he goes again,’ they’re thinking, ‘now I don’t have a job, now I don’t have any health care, I may be worried about my parents,'” Beychok told me. “He’s saying it’s all fine.”

Then a section on: "Trump badly misread the moment"

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

People that watch OAN are going to be the most easily manipulatable people in our nation.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The point is the left is taking any disparate result as proof of discrimination without looking into it. Your attitude when stopped makes a big difference in whether you get a ticket--and those who think the cops are out to get them are far more likely to react in a way that actually gets them a ticket.

The proximal cause of disparate results are economics, but the evonomic disparity is primarily caused by historical and modern racism. So, yes, it's race.

Modern racism--keeps being "proven" by disparate results, not by actually showing discrimination. Also, why do black immigrants fare a lot better than black natives even though they're generally operating under a language handicap?? Anti-discrimination efforts can't solve past discrimination, they're the wrong tool for the job. Keeping chanting "Discrimination!!" is akin to a doctor trying to treat a broken arm with a seat belt because the arm got broken because the person was in an accident and not wearing their belt.