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[Underseer]

Scombrid is not red pilled, so take that slander back...

Thank you for equating your white supremacism with the entire red side. I wish more conservolibertarians were as honest as you.

 

[Underseer]

This should put average conservolibertarians in quite the conundrum.

The conundrum is why you think libertarians have any particular interest in FOX.

No, the conundrum why anyone would conflate "conservolibertarian" with "libertarian" because words do have meaning.

Sorry, but saying "conservatives and libertarians, who just happen to have the same stance on this issue and just happen to be using the same arguments with the same wording" over and over would be tiresome. Conservolibertarian is simply less typing.

I'm not going to do all of that extra typing just to preserve someone's delusions.

Jason is the most blindly conservative of all the libertarians on this forum. The fact they her is also the one who complained the most about my equivalence speaks volumes.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

May they lose money until they are utterly and totally bankrupt. And I hope iHeart goes under also.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

No, the conundrum why anyone would conflate "conservolibertarian" with "libertarian" because words do have meaning.

Sorry, but saying "conservatives and libertarians, who just happen to have the same stance on this issue and just happen to be using the same arguments with the same wording" over and over would be tiresome. Conservolibertarian is simply less typing.

You're honest enough to tell laughing dog that he is wrong to pretend you don't mean what you mean. I wonder if laughing dog will acknowledge this.

conservatives and libertarians, who just happen to have the same stance on this issue and just happen to be using the same arguments with the same wording

Evidence please. Oh, that's right, every time I challenge you to show evidence to that claim you run away and block me until I stop asking.

Jason is the most blindly conservative of all the libertarians on this forum.

You should provide evidence of your claim that I agree with you and your fellow alt-right identitarian supremacist conservatives.

 

[scombrid]

Don't use their euphemisms unless you are one of them.

"Globalist elite" is the right wing code word for "Jew," like putting triple parentheses around someone's name.

Would you prefer some scare quotes?

The context of the usage was clear.

Plus that term does not equal "jews" for all of the pro-Trump populists. Not any more. The propaganda artists from the right took "globalist elite" to a much broader audience than the traditional white nationalists in the pro-Brexit propaganda; they did it here in the US when the Heritage Foundation and company started fanning anti-establishment populism in the effort to brand the Democrats as The Establishment. Yeah, they've convinced a bunch of white people that the brown people are flooding in and getting all the goodies and that this is encouraged by the "globalist elite". But for many of those voters "globalist elite" is just a faceless monster of atheists and secularists and fascist communists. It's just really bad people even if they can't coherently define them. The jew thing isn't on their radar the way it is with the Alex Jones set. Not that the GOP has been anything but welcoming to those Nazi and Nazi-ish assholes.

 

[scombrid]

You should provide evidence of your claim that I agree with you and your fellow alt-right identitarian supremacist conservatives.

You've posted at least once a position on immigration that is consistent with general libertarian thought that we might read at a place like CATO.

What I wonder though, have you participated in the Derec/Angelo threads to counteract all of their bullshit about immigration here or in Europe?


I don't read or post here every day and I don't keep up with a lot of the threads because the busy threads get a shit ton of posts in a short period of time. But in my sampling I've seen you expend a lot of words objecting to people that miss-use the libertarian label but I haven't seen you post similar objections to people that are pushing anti-immigration opinions that are quite at odds with the libertarian view on the free flow of labor and capital.


We often look at the black friend or Muslim acquaintance and want them to answer for their entire race or religion. Why aren't RandRon Paul or any other of the "libertarians" up there in DC pushing actual libertarian policies? Why are they so right wing? It seems to me that they are just using the libertarian label as a front to cover for a right wing agenda.

Maybe you can't answer for them but can speak for yourself and tell us why you aren't vociferously objecting to the right wing crap from Derec and Random Person and such when their posts deviate so far from any remotely libertarian position.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

We often look at the black friend or Muslim acquaintance and want them to answer for their entire race or religion. Why aren't RandRon Paul or any other of the "libertarians" up there in DC pushing actual libertarian policies? Why are they so right wing? It seems to me that they are just using the libertarian label as a front to cover for a right wing agenda.

Ron Paul isn't in Washington any more, and Rand Paul has explicitly denied being a libertarian.

 

[Patooka]

We often look at the black friend or Muslim acquaintance and want them to answer for their entire race or religion. Why aren't RandRon Paul or any other of the "libertarians" up there in DC pushing actual libertarian policies? Why are they so right wing? It seems to me that they are just using the libertarian label as a front to cover for a right wing agenda.

Ron Paul isn't in Washington any more, and Rand Paul has explicitly denied being a libertarian.

So, basically, a libertarian is someone who is not being listened to, will never be elected in any form of government and will never ever be relevant. You are exceptionally good explaining why everyone is not libertarian; you are terrible at showing examples when a libertarian attitude works - or who, other than yourself, has such an attitude.

 

[braces_for_impact]

We often look at the black friend or Muslim acquaintance and want them to answer for their entire race or religion. Why aren't RandRon Paul or any other of the "libertarians" up there in DC pushing actual libertarian policies? Why are they so right wing? It seems to me that they are just using the libertarian label as a front to cover for a right wing agenda.

Ron Paul isn't in Washington any more, and Rand Paul has explicitly denied being a libertarian.

It's hard to keep up with all those advertisements hawking GOLD for the coming MONEY-APOCALYPSE.

 

[Underseer]

May they lose money until they are utterly and totally bankrupt. And I hope iHeart goes under also.

I'm certainly enjoying this.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

We often look at the black friend or Muslim acquaintance and want them to answer for their entire race or religion. Why aren't RandRon Paul or any other of the "libertarians" up there in DC pushing actual libertarian policies? Why are they so right wing? It seems to me that they are just using the libertarian label as a front to cover for a right wing agenda.

Ron Paul isn't in Washington any more, and Rand Paul has explicitly denied being a libertarian.

So, basically, a libertarian is someone who is not being listened to, will never be elected in any form of government and will never ever be relevant. You are exceptionally good explaining why everyone is not libertarian; you are terrible at showing examples when a libertarian attitude works - or who, other than yourself, has such an attitude.

Libertarians are pretty much unelectable in a system run by legalized bribes. (ie, big donor campaign contributions)

 

[bilby]

So, basically, a libertarian is someone who is not being listened to, will never be elected in any form of government and will never ever be relevant. You are exceptionally good explaining why everyone is not libertarian; you are terrible at showing examples when a libertarian attitude works - or who, other than yourself, has such an attitude.

Libertarians are pretty much unelectable in a system run by legalized bribes. (ie, big donor campaign contributions)

FTFY.

A person who stands for office as a representative of the people on a platform of "Everyone should look out for themselves, and not give a fuck about other people" is pretty much doomed to fail with all but the dumbest of electorates.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

So, basically, a libertarian is someone who is not being listened to, will never be elected in any form of government and will never ever be relevant. You are exceptionally good explaining why everyone is not libertarian; you are terrible at showing examples when a libertarian attitude works - or who, other than yourself, has such an attitude.

Libertarians are pretty much unelectable in a system run by legalized bribes. (ie, big donor campaign contributions)

FTFY.

A person who stands for office as a representative of the people on a platform of "Everyone should look out for themselves, and not give a fuck about other people" is pretty much doomed to fail with all but the dumbest of electorates.

No. The thing is the libertarian won't be offering up goodies to warrant bribes, hence won't get the big contributions. Make a system where it's state funded or only small contributions and they're electable.

 

[bilby]

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FTFY.

A person who stands for office as a representative of the people on a platform of "Everyone should look out for themselves, and not give a fuck about other people" is pretty much doomed to fail with all but the dumbest of electorates.

No. The thing is the libertarian won't be offering up goodies to warrant bribes, hence won't get the big contributions. Make a system where it's state funded or only small contributions and they're electable.

Ahh. That explains why in other systems around the world, where elections are not strongly influenced by large campaign contributions, libertarians are so massively dominant.

Oh, wait.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So, basically, a libertarian is someone who is not being listened to, will never be elected in any form of government and will never ever be relevant. You are exceptionally good explaining why everyone is not libertarian; you are terrible at showing examples when a libertarian attitude works - or who, other than yourself, has such an attitude.

Libertarians are pretty much unelectable in a system run by legalized bribes. (ie, big donor campaign contributions)

A person who stands for office as a representative of the people on a platform of "Everyone should look out for themselves, and not give a fuck about other people" is pretty much doomed to fail with all but the dumbest of electorates.

Yes, but Loren and I are talking about the Libertarian Party instead.

 

[bilby]

A person who stands for office as a representative of the people on a platform of "Everyone should look out for themselves, and not give a fuck about other people" is pretty much doomed to fail with all but the dumbest of electorates.

Yes, but Loren and I are talking about the Libertarian Party instead.

Oh, sorry. As a non-American, I couldn't have known that your Libertarian Party wasn't a party of libertarians. Is it like our 'Liberal Party', who are the main right wing party in Australia?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

A person who stands for office as a representative of the people on a platform of "Everyone should look out for themselves, and not give a fuck about other people" is pretty much doomed to fail with all but the dumbest of electorates.

Yes, but Loren and I are talking about the Libertarian Party instead.

Oh, sorry. As a non-American, I couldn't have known that your Libertarian Party wasn't a party of libertarians. Is it like our 'Liberal Party', who are the main right wing party in Australia?

I cannot speak for the Liberal Party of Australia, but if it is "right wing" like you claim then it cannot be all that similar.

The focus of the Libertarian Party is "individual liberty", not "everyone should look out for themselves and not give a fuck about other people."

 

[bilby]

Oh, sorry. As a non-American, I couldn't have known that your Libertarian Party wasn't a party of libertarians. Is it like our 'Liberal Party', who are the main right wing party in Australia?

I cannot speak for the Liberal Party of Australia, but if it is "right wing" like you claim then it cannot be all that similar.

The focus of the Libertarian Party is "individual liberty", not "everyone should look out for themselves and not give a fuck about other people."

Potato, potato; Tomato, tomato; Let's call the whole thing off...

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Oh, sorry. As a non-American, I couldn't have known that your Libertarian Party wasn't a party of libertarians. Is it like our 'Liberal Party', who are the main right wing party in Australia?

I cannot speak for the Liberal Party of Australia, but if it is "right wing" like you claim then it cannot be all that similar.

The focus of the Libertarian Party is "individual liberty", not "everyone should look out for themselves and not give a fuck about other people."

Potato, potato; Tomato, tomato; Let's call the whole thing off...

If you think the two are the same, we have much deeper problems in understanding here.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Every four years, the Libertarian party runs a candidate for President. They always lose by massive margins. The Libertarian party's platform is for minimal government. Police, courts, military and not much more. That is extremism with a large side order of derp. It hasn't been going anywhere for decades, and won't be popular for decades more. It is a silly ideology that is not going to ever be anything more than silly, unreasonable and a waste of time.