France - Macron Wins

[Juma]

According to this site, young voters did not support Le Pen (http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.com/2017/05/demographic-analysis-of-macron-vote.html).

Macron did extremely well in big cities and denseiy populated areas, in higher income areas, and with the more educated (https://www.ft.com/content/62d782d6-31a7-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a).

This election may simply be kicking the problem further down the road. It does not bode well that Macron is younger than his average voter.

Maybe, but the EU is bit more secure now.

There was never a question of the Ultra-right winning the election as its support base is less than 40% so the EU is just as good or bad as it was before.

If those that dont like macron had done what some idiots did in the US (not voted for the lesser evil) then Le Pen had won.

 

[repoman]

Did Macron not use the French national anthem but the EU one for his victory?!?

 

[bilby]

Did Macron not use the French national anthem but the EU one for his victory?!?

Sure, why not?

'Ode to Joy' is a pretty appropriate tune for a victory party - and a neat way to underscore his win against FN.

Would it be inappropriate for a winning candidate in a US state election to play the Star Spangled Banner at his victory party? I don't think it would - particularly not if his main opponent had been campaigning as a secessionist.

 

[Speakpigeon]

Anyone else find it absurd that Macron essentially won with just 24% of the vote? The runoff was noncompetitive and Le Pen had no business running in it. If approval voting were used to get the top two, it would have been more competitive and more representative.

It's the principle of the system. All French presidents had to be wait for the second round to be elected, therefore necessarily by people not necessarily very supportive of their project. If approval was required, nobody would ever be elected. Four candidates in the first round had comparable scores, between 18 and 25%. What matters are the coming legislative elections, which will decide who the Prime Minister will be.
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[whichphilosophy]

Did Macron not use the French national anthem but the EU one for his victory?!?

Sure, why not?

'Ode to Joy' is a pretty appropriate tune for a victory party - and a neat way to underscore his win against FN.

Would it be inappropriate for a winning candidate in a US state election to play the Star Spangled Banner at his victory party? I don't think, would - particularly not if his main opponent had been campaigning as a secessionist.

The French debt has been sky rocketing since 2006. Now the National debt is 95% of the GDP. If France goes bankrupt then while it may still remain in the EU less will be whistling the EU national anthem in a spirit of grovelling Europhilia.

 

[whichphilosophy]

According to this site, young voters did not support Le Pen (http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.com/2017/05/demographic-analysis-of-macron-vote.html).

Macron did extremely well in big cities and denseiy populated areas, in higher income areas, and with the more educated (https://www.ft.com/content/62d782d6-31a7-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a).

This election may simply be kicking the problem further down the road. It does not bode well that Macron is younger than his average voter.

Maybe, but the EU is bit more secure now.

There was never a question of the Ultra-right winning the election as its support base is less than 40% so the EU is just as good or bad as it was before.

If those that dont like macron had done what some idiots did in the US (not voted for the lesser evil) then Le Pen had won.

Fruk it and Frexit are one thing but France has a huge debt and it can't go on indefinitely. I think EU is just a diversion.

 

[DrZoidberg]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-election-projection-libre-idUSKBN1830ST?il=0

Emmanuel Macron will be president of France after beating Marine Le Pen of the far-right National Front by 65 percent to 35 percent in Sunday's runoff, Belgian newspaper La Libre Belgique said, citing a projection based on early results by pollster Ipsos.

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I suspect the Russian Ambassador should probably begin to pack up his stuff to leave France.

Hopefully this will be the last we hear of the Le Pens for a while.

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/boro...claim-intellectual-superiority-over-americans

I think it's remarkable how nobody seems to talk about what Macron wants. It's like the only requirement to be a good leader is to not be a drooling fool.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Macron is overall slightly better than LePen, but he has made clear he intends to do nothing about the chief threats to Europe - mass migration and islamization.

Europe is currently being invaded by hundreds of thousands of migrants each year. Vast majority of them come from countries like Bangladesh or Nigeria and are in no way "refugees".

Europe simply must shut down these mass migration routes and deport mass migrants who have managed to get in. That means that if migrants are "rescued" at sea, they must not be brought to any European ports but should be sent back to where their boat took off from. But under Macron leadership I do not see France pushing for sensible policies like that. Instead, more chalets will be built for more migrants at places like Calais or Dunkirk.

Look at the ball. The shiny red ball. Yes, look at it. Ignore that your freedoms and democracy are eroding. Look at the ball. Ignore that free expression and a free press are going. Just look at the ball. Ignore that foreign policies are more hawkish. Ignore that the world is destabalising. Just look at the irrelevant fucking ball of nonsense. The ball is your enemy. Hate the ball.

 

[whichphilosophy]

According to this site, young voters did not support Le Pen (http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.com/2017/05/demographic-analysis-of-macron-vote.html).

Macron did extremely well in big cities and denseiy populated areas, in higher income areas, and with the more educated (https://www.ft.com/content/62d782d6-31a7-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a).

This election may simply be kicking the problem further down the road. It does not bode well that Macron is younger than his average voter.

Maybe, but the EU is bit more secure now.

There was never a question of the Ultra-right winning the election as its support base is less than 40% so the EU is just as good or bad as it was before.

Don't be daft, of course there was a question.

The questions was if rather than when. If as in the case of an invasion by Aliens, When as to Trump making his next outlandish statement.

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Macron is overall slightly better than LePen, but he has made clear he intends to do nothing about the chief threats to Europe - mass migration and islamization.

Europe is currently being invaded by hundreds of thousands of migrants each year. Vast majority of them come from countries like Bangladesh or Nigeria and are in no way "refugees".

Europe simply must shut down these mass migration routes and deport mass migrants who have managed to get in. That means that if migrants are "rescued" at sea, they must not be brought to any European ports but should be sent back to where their boat took off from. But under Macron leadership I do not see France pushing for sensible policies like that. Instead, more chalets will be built for more migrants at places like Calais or Dunkirk.

Look at the ball. The shiny red ball. Yes, look at it. Ignore that your freedoms and democracy are eroding. Look at the ball. Ignore that free expression and a free press are going. Just look at the ball. Ignore that foreign policies are more hawkish. Ignore that the world is destabalising. Just look at the irrelevant fucking ball of nonsense. The ball is your enemy. Hate the ball.

Economically there is a problem to keep up with housing, healthcare and education.

 

[DrZoidberg]

According to this site, young voters did not support Le Pen (http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.com/2017/05/demographic-analysis-of-macron-vote.html).

Macron did extremely well in big cities and denseiy populated areas, in higher income areas, and with the more educated (https://www.ft.com/content/62d782d6-31a7-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a).

This election may simply be kicking the problem further down the road. It does not bode well that Macron is younger than his average voter.

Maybe, but the EU is bit more secure now.

There was never a question of the Ultra-right winning the election as its support base is less than 40% so the EU is just as good or bad as it was before.

Don't be daft, of course there was a question.

The questions was if rather than when. If as in the case of an invasion by Aliens, When as to Trump making his next outlandish statement.

- - - Updated - - -

Macron is overall slightly better than LePen, but he has made clear he intends to do nothing about the chief threats to Europe - mass migration and islamization.

Europe is currently being invaded by hundreds of thousands of migrants each year. Vast majority of them come from countries like Bangladesh or Nigeria and are in no way "refugees".

Europe simply must shut down these mass migration routes and deport mass migrants who have managed to get in. That means that if migrants are "rescued" at sea, they must not be brought to any European ports but should be sent back to where their boat took off from. But under Macron leadership I do not see France pushing for sensible policies like that. Instead, more chalets will be built for more migrants at places like Calais or Dunkirk.

Look at the ball. The shiny red ball. Yes, look at it. Ignore that your freedoms and democracy are eroding. Look at the ball. Ignore that free expression and a free press are going. Just look at the ball. Ignore that foreign policies are more hawkish. Ignore that the world is destabalising. Just look at the irrelevant fucking ball of nonsense. The ball is your enemy. Hate the ball.

Economically there is a problem to keep up with housing, healthcare and education.

No, there isn't

 

[whichphilosophy]

According to this site, young voters did not support Le Pen (http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.com/2017/05/demographic-analysis-of-macron-vote.html).

Macron did extremely well in big cities and denseiy populated areas, in higher income areas, and with the more educated (https://www.ft.com/content/62d782d6-31a7-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a).

This election may simply be kicking the problem further down the road. It does not bode well that Macron is younger than his average voter.

Maybe, but the EU is bit more secure now.

There was never a question of the Ultra-right winning the election as its support base is less than 40% so the EU is just as good or bad as it was before.

Don't be daft, of course there was a question.

The questions was if rather than when. If as in the case of an invasion by Aliens, When as to Trump making his next outlandish statement.

- - - Updated - - -

Macron is overall slightly better than LePen, but he has made clear he intends to do nothing about the chief threats to Europe - mass migration and islamization.

Europe is currently being invaded by hundreds of thousands of migrants each year. Vast majority of them come from countries like Bangladesh or Nigeria and are in no way "refugees".

Europe simply must shut down these mass migration routes and deport mass migrants who have managed to get in. That means that if migrants are "rescued" at sea, they must not be brought to any European ports but should be sent back to where their boat took off from. But under Macron leadership I do not see France pushing for sensible policies like that. Instead, more chalets will be built for more migrants at places like Calais or Dunkirk.

Look at the ball. The shiny red ball. Yes, look at it. Ignore that your freedoms and democracy are eroding. Look at the ball. Ignore that free expression and a free press are going. Just look at the ball. Ignore that foreign policies are more hawkish. Ignore that the world is destabalising. Just look at the irrelevant fucking ball of nonsense. The ball is your enemy. Hate the ball.

Economically there is a problem to keep up with housing, healthcare and education.

No, there isn't

For example
https://www.thelocal.fr/20150203/france-growing-homeless-crisis
Millions of French people are living in a fragile situation when it comes to housing, a new report claims and more and more of them are ending up on the streets. Here's a look at some of the key figures from the report.

Almost 10 million people are in fragile situation in terms of housing including 3.5 million in sub-standard accommodation, ie. without a fixed home, living in hotel rooms, camp sites, squats etc).
Fondation Abbé Pierre says there are 141,000 thousand "sans abri" in France, meaning those who live on the streets, in parks, under bridges and in makeshift camps. That number is made up of young and old people, the jobless, former inmates and asylum seekers.
Around 38,000 people in France are currently housed in hotels waiting to find permanent accommodation.

Healthcare
https://www.thelocal.fr/20160926/frances-hospital-doctors-stage-week-long-strike




http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/france-and-italy-next-economic-crash-europe-a7054801.html

Denied the option of devaluation, both countries have relied on debt-funded public spending to maintain economic activity and living standards. The people and their representatives refuse to face reality

..........France’s equivalent debt is around 280 per cent of GDP, up 66 per cent since 2007. This ignores unfunded pension and healthcare obligations as well as contingent commitments to Eurozone bailouts. Debt will increase in critical levels quickly without corrective action.

 

[Jayjay]

In the UK, Thatcher encouraged those in government housing to buy their own houses. Many did but the UK lacks housing to accommodate for around 600,000 people a year coming into the UK. British citizens married to a non EU/British spouse cannot bring them into the UK if they earn less than £18,500 per year. If a European comes into the UK, there are no such restrictions.

How many of those 600,000 are non-EU spouses of EU-citizens? I doubt there are that many.

It is not certain what France will do about restricting immigration but based on Teresa May's record of when she was home secretary this will not change. While we expect the influx to rise from the current 600,000 plus levels per year, housing will not keep up with that.

Then the EU itself is faced with issues it was designed to prevent; a rise in the ultra right, unemployment (often disguised in zero-rated contracts) housing shortages, a lack of medical, educational facilities.

I wouldn't worry about France. It has the same incentives to restrict migrants going to UK as it does now. Besides outside EU the UK doesn't have to abide by European courts, and has more room to manouver in deporting people and restricting them access. Cut out the legal EU citizens and immigration is bound to go down.

 

[laughing dog]

According to this site, young voters did not support Le Pen (http://diversitymachtfrei.blogspot.com/2017/05/demographic-analysis-of-macron-vote.html).

Macron did extremely well in big cities and denseiy populated areas, in higher income areas, and with the more educated (https://www.ft.com/content/62d782d6-31a7-11e7-9555-23ef563ecf9a).

This election may simply be kicking the problem further down the road. It does not bode well that Macron is younger than his average voter.

Maybe, but the EU is bit more secure now.

There was never a question of the Ultra-right winning the election as its support base is less than 40% so the EU is just as good or bad as it was before.

If those that dont like macron had done what some idiots did in the US (not voted for the lesser evil) then Le Pen had won.

Fruk it and Frexit are one thing but France has a huge debt and it can't go on indefinitely.

That is about as relevant as whether there were hidden Marxists in the Macron campaign.

 

[bilby]

Sure, why not?

'Ode to Joy' is a pretty appropriate tune for a victory party - and a neat way to underscore his win against FN.

Would it be inappropriate for a winning candidate in a US state election to play the Star Spangled Banner at his victory party? I don't think, would - particularly not if his main opponent had been campaigning as a secessionist.

The French debt has been sky rocketing since 2006. Now the National debt is 95% of the GDP. If France goes bankrupt then while it may still remain in the EU less will be whistling the EU national anthem in a spirit of grovelling Europhilia.

Nobody gave a shit the last five times you said this, so it's probably time to stop saying it.

 

[whichphilosophy]

How many of those 600,000 are non-EU spouses of EU-citizens? I doubt there are that many.

It is not certain what France will do about restricting immigration but based on Teresa May's record of when she was home secretary this will not change. While we expect the influx to rise from the current 600,000 plus levels per year, housing will not keep up with that.

Then the EU itself is faced with issues it was designed to prevent; a rise in the ultra right, unemployment (often disguised in zero-rated contracts) housing shortages, a lack of medical, educational facilities.

I wouldn't worry about France. It has the same incentives to restrict migrants going to UK as it does now. Besides outside EU the UK doesn't have to abide by European courts, and has more room to manouver in deporting people and restricting them access. Cut out the legal EU citizens and immigration is bound to go down.

We need migration into the country for certain skills. Nonetheless quite a few Europeans do marry non Europeans. The UK can only accept so many. As I mentioned the main problem is for the NHS, housing and education to keep up. Given the government is doing zero in this area any expansion in immigration is a problem.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The French debt has been sky rocketing since 2006. Now the National debt is 95% of the GDP. If France goes bankrupt then while it may still remain in the EU less will be whistling the EU national anthem in a spirit of grovelling Europhilia.

Nobody gave a shit the last five times you said this, so it's probably time to stop saying it.

Educating on the birds and bees can be unbelievable when first mentioned. Greece, Portugal, Spain and Eire failed to heed this and what happened is history. Unless France sobers up it will face problems in future.

 

[laughing dog]

Nobody gave a shit the last five times you said this, so it's probably time to stop saying it.

Educating on the birds and bees can be unbelievable when first mentioned. Greece, Portugal, Spain and Eire failed to heed this and what happened is history. Unless France sobers up it will face problems in future.

None of which has anything to do with the topic of this OP.

BTW, the article you cited uses bogus comparisons. The ration of total private and public debt to GDP is a pointless ratio. It ignores the role of assets.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Educating on the birds and bees can be unbelievable when first mentioned. Greece, Portugal, Spain and Eire failed to heed this and what happened is history. Unless France sobers up it will face problems in future.

None of which has anything to do with the topic of this OP.

BTW, the article you cited uses bogus comparisons. The ration of total private and public debt to GDP is a pointless ratio. It ignores the role of assets.

The Topic is France and the problem is the government spending more than it collects in tax revenue. It wouldn't matter who won the election; this would need to be addressed. Increasing taxes alone in future would be problematic as its rates are up to 45%.

 

[bilby]

None of which has anything to do with the topic of this OP.

BTW, the article you cited uses bogus comparisons. The ration of total private and public debt to GDP is a pointless ratio. It ignores the role of assets.

The Topic is France and the problem is the government spending more than it collects in tax revenue. It wouldn't matter who won the election; this would need to be addressed. Increasing taxes alone in future would be problematic as its rates are up to 45%.

The topic is Macron winning the election. You are off-topic by your own admission. If you want to discuss French debt, start a new thread.

 

[whichphilosophy]

The Topic is France and the problem is the government spending more than it collects in tax revenue. It wouldn't matter who won the election; this would need to be addressed. Increasing taxes alone in future would be problematic as its rates are up to 45%.

The topic is Macron winning the election. You are off-topic by your own admission. If you want to discuss French debt, start a new thread.

My point is relevant. He won the election is a one liner. What he needs to address is France's overspending.