Fully tax supported public colleges and universities.

[J842P]

and what proof do you have that Harvard, while a good school, would maximize everyone's education? People learn different things in different ways. And I have already stated my interest in learning through apprenticeship. A person who does best learning in a one on one environment would get the most from an apprenticeship but may struggle and never fully grasp the material if taught in an auditorium with 150 other freshman.

But the point was not so much that everyone need go to Harvard specifically but to some ultra-elite University for which I used Harvard as a proxy.

Surely you would agree that quality matters, and education cannot be maximized at Southern New Hampshire University?

i don't know enough about Southern NH to say Or its faculty or the particular student applying to say one way or the other.

What reason do you have to think that Southern NH University is likely to be as good at educating people as Harvard or other recognized elite universities?

It seems you are just in avoidance mode again.

Maybe you should take some time to think about what you really want to advocate and why and then you can respond to questions about it honestly without all the bobbing and weaving.

The point I am making is not about Harvard or SNHU specifically but that if we want to maximize everyone's education we must give everyone an elite education for life. The intent was not to have a nitpick fest about Harvard.

Do you support giving everyone an elite education for life or not?

Colleges are generally not ranked based on the quality of educators they employ. What makes elite schools elite is the quality of the students they accept.

 

[Toni]

and what proof do you have that Harvard, while a good school, would maximize everyone's education? People learn different things in different ways. And I have already stated my interest in learning through apprenticeship. A person who does best learning in a one on one environment would get the most from an apprenticeship but may struggle and never fully grasp the material if taught in an auditorium with 150 other freshman.

But the point was not so much that everyone need go to Harvard specifically but to some ultra-elite University for which I used Harvard as a proxy.

Surely you would agree that quality matters, and education cannot be maximized at Southern New Hampshire University?

i don't know enough about Southern NH to say Or its faculty or the particular student applying to say one way or the other.

What reason do you have to think that Southern NH University is likely to be as good at educating people as Harvard or other recognized elite universities?

It seems you are just in avoidance mode again.

Maybe you should take some time to think about what you really want to advocate and why and then you can respond to questions about it honestly without all the bobbing and weaving.

The point I am making is not about Harvard or SNHU specifically but that if we want to maximize everyone's education we must give everyone an elite education for life. The intent was not to have a nitpick fest about Harvard.

Do you support giving everyone an elite education for life or not?

Colleges are generally not ranked based on the quality of educators they employ. What makes elite schools elite is the quality of the students they accept.

And the best PR that money can buy.

 

[ksen]

Do you ever get tired of asking questions that have nothing to do with the thread topic or arguments being actually made for really real in real life?

The fact you can't figure out what it has to do with the topic is a reflection only on you.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one wondering how forcing everyone to go to Harvard for free for life has anything to do with the topic of publically funded education at public colleges and universities.

Maybe there's just a step we're missing that only you and coloradoatheist can see.

 

[coloradoatheist]

The fact you can't figure out what it has to do with the topic is a reflection only on you.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one wondering how forcing everyone to go to Harvard for free for life has anything to do with the topic of publically funded education at public colleges and universities.

Maybe there's just a step we're missing that only you and coloradoatheist can see.

You are the one making the arbirtary line at college instead of the one now. Dismal's argument is an extension that says if our goal is to maximize education then why stop at college? Why not just let everyone go to school for their entire life?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Graphic designers are not artists.

You don't know that, Loren. A graphic designer can very well be and most likely will be an artist. This just shows how little connection you have with the art community.

They are related fields and there is some overlap in ability but if you are hiring a graphic designer you're not going to care about someone's art experience and if you're hiring an artist you're not going to be looking at their graphic designer experience.

 

[ksen]

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one wondering how forcing everyone to go to Harvard for free for life has anything to do with the topic of publically funded education at public colleges and universities.

Maybe there's just a step we're missing that only you and coloradoatheist can see.

You are the one making the arbirtary line at college instead of the one now. Dismal's argument is an extension that says if our goal is to maximize education then why stop at college? Why not just let everyone go to school for their entire life?

Oh, so the step we're missing is the one the goes from an idea that quite a few modern nations have successfully implemented to one that dismal dreamed up that no other nation has tried or poster argued for.

How about we focus on what's doable instead of what comes out of dismal's tortured thought process?

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You don't know that, Loren. A graphic designer can very well be and most likely will be an artist. This just shows how little connection you have with the art community.

They are related fields and there is some overlap in ability but if you are hiring a graphic designer you're not going to care about someone's art experience and if you're hiring an artist you're not going to be looking at their graphic designer experience.

That's odd because when my daughter was hired as a graphics designer the company was very interested in her artisitic ability and experience.

 

[coloradoatheist]

You are the one making the arbirtary line at college instead of the one now. Dismal's argument is an extension that says if our goal is to maximize education then why stop at college? Why not just let everyone go to school for their entire life?

Oh, so the step we're missing is the one the goes from an idea that quite a few modern nations have successfully implemented to one that dismal dreamed up that no other nation has tried or poster argued for.

How about we focus on what's doable instead of what comes out of dismal's tortured thought process?

So the only argument for it is that other countries have done it? Why not have the US lead the way and promote life long college?

 

[laughing dog]

Oh, so the step we're missing is the one the goes from an idea that quite a few modern nations have successfully implemented to one that dismal dreamed up that no other nation has tried or poster argued for.

How about we focus on what's doable instead of what comes out of dismal's tortured thought process?

So the only argument for it is that other countries have done it? Why not have the US lead the way and promote life long college?

There is nothing stopping you or dismal from creating another thread with your proposal. What I find interesting is your (and his) persistence in your (and his) delusional derails.

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That's odd because when my daughter was hired as a graphics designer the company was very interested in her artisitic ability and experience.

Yeah, but what do they know?

 

[ksen]

So the only argument for it is that other countries have done it?

No, who says it is?

That other countries have done it successfully illustrates it can be done.

 

[J842P]

and what proof do you have that Harvard, while a good school, would maximize everyone's education? People learn different things in different ways. And I have already stated my interest in learning through apprenticeship. A person who does best learning in a one on one environment would get the most from an apprenticeship but may struggle and never fully grasp the material if taught in an auditorium with 150 other freshman.

But the point was not so much that everyone need go to Harvard specifically but to some ultra-elite University for which I used Harvard as a proxy.

Surely you would agree that quality matters, and education cannot be maximized at Southern New Hampshire University?

i don't know enough about Southern NH to say Or its faculty or the particular student applying to say one way or the other.

What reason do you have to think that Southern NH University is likely to be as good at educating people as Harvard or other recognized elite universities?

It seems you are just in avoidance mode again.

Maybe you should take some time to think about what you really want to advocate and why and then you can respond to questions about it honestly without all the bobbing and weaving.

The point I am making is not about Harvard or SNHU specifically but that if we want to maximize everyone's education we must give everyone an elite education for life. The intent was not to have a nitpick fest about Harvard.

Do you support giving everyone an elite education for life or not?

Colleges are generally not ranked based on the quality of educators they employ. What makes elite schools elite is the quality of the students they accept.

And the best PR that money can buy.

Very true to a certain extent.

 

[coloradoatheist]

So the only argument for it is that other countries have done it?

No, who says it is?

That other countries have done it successfully illustrates it can be done.

But what is the argument? Dismal is saying the argument we want is for people to be more educated. But there is a line of how much education we want them to have otherwise we would pay for lifelong education.

 

[ksen]

No, who says it is?

That other countries have done it successfully illustrates it can be done.

But what is the argument?

Read the thread. People have laid out their arguments for everyone to see.

Dismal is saying the argument we want is for people to be more educated. But there is a line of how much education we want them to have otherwise we would pay for lifelong education.

No one has said there shouldn't some sort of line . . . other than you and dismal.

 

[coloradoatheist]

But what is the argument?

Read the thread. People have laid out their arguments for everyone to see.

Dismal is saying the argument we want is for people to be more educated. But there is a line of how much education we want them to have otherwise we would pay for lifelong education.

No one has said there shouldn't some sort of line . . . other than you and dismal.

You said on page 2

f you want to educate people as well as they can be educated then price to the student should not be any kind of barrier at all. Otherwise you are going to have kids that only go to lower tier schools because of the price to them out of pocket when they could have easily handled a higher tier school.

I'd like to see free, at the point of service, higher education funded by taxes. Every year we have national testing to see which schools you would be eligible to attend. That way academic performance is what determines what level of school you can attend rather than what you can afford yourself.

It was your argument that started it. For someone to be as educated as much as they can, that means a lifelong learning at the best university.

 

[ksen]

nice try

 

[coloradoatheist]

nice try

I did re-read the threat. You've postulated two arguments. One countries do it and the one I just quoted where dismal corrected your mistake in your argument.

 

[ksen]

nice try

I did re-read the threat. You've postulated two arguments. One countries do it and the one I just quoted where dismal corrected your mistake in your argument.

lol, "mistake in my argument".

You guys are shameless.

 

[coloradoatheist]

I did re-read the threat. You've postulated two arguments. One countries do it and the one I just quoted where dismal corrected your mistake in your argument.

lol, "mistake in my argument".

You guys are shameless.

Not quite. You haven't made any argument. Yours is, "I like college so we should pay for it"

 

[ksen]

I did re-read the threat. You've postulated two arguments. One countries do it and the one I just quoted where dismal corrected your mistake in your argument.

lol, "mistake in my argument".

You guys are shameless.

Not quite. You haven't made any argument. Yours is, "I like college so we should pay for it"

So which is it? Two or zero?

 

[Juma]

What is the problem with lifelong edication? In sweden you can take as many courses as you want. It is free. It is no problem because very few want to do it.

 

[coloradoatheist]

I did re-read the threat. You've postulated two arguments. One countries do it and the one I just quoted where dismal corrected your mistake in your argument.

lol, "mistake in my argument".

You guys are shameless.

Not quite. You haven't made any argument. Yours is, "I like college so we should pay for it"

So which is it? Two or zero?

What are your arguments for why we should pay for more education than we do?