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Gaming related swatting takes its first life

 
 
 
First that we know of...

After the police shooting, Swautistic denied responsibility for the fatal swatting, saying in a now-deleted tweet, “I DIDNT GET ANYONE KILLED BECAUSE I DIDNT DISCHARGE A WEAPON AND BEING ASWAT MEMBER ISNT MY PROFESSION [sic].”
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So I wonder if Loren will call this murder-by-cop... or at least manslaughter-by-cop?

The Wichita Eagle reported that police were called to a home on the evening of Dec. 28 to investigate, following a phone call about a possible homicide and hostage incident. When a 28-year-old man opened the door, an officer fired his weapon. The man, whom police have not officially identified, was pronounced dead at the hospital. Family members later identified the victim as Andrew Finch.
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An unarmed man is shot dead by a police officer for opening his door.

Regardless what Swautistic and the other bozos did or didn't do, it still comes down to an untrained, trigger-happy police officer killing an innocent civilian; and that cop needs to face criminal charges for it.
 
saw a thread on this on a gaming website that has hundreds of thousands of active users... within an hour it was up to 11 pages of people blaming the gamers, calling for their arrest and imprisonment, defending the cop, and making wild claims that the guy answering the door probably had a gun or something.
in a way it's interesting to know that knee-jerk authoritarian fellatio happens in places other than these forums, but at the same time it is truly sickening to see how people can defend the police in this circumstance.

i'd say the people who called in the SWAT team should certainly be charged with filing a false report, but the cop should be prosecuted for murder.
 
prideandfall said:
i'd say the people who called in the SWAT team should certainly be charged with filing a false report, but the cop should be prosecuted for murder.
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Agree, but not just a max 13-month sentence or, more likely, probation. An innocent man died because some stupid fucker that it would be good revenge to call in a false report some other person he was pissed off at. And not just any kind of a report. He made a point of saying it was a hostage situation with people already dead at the scene.

I still think the police officer should face charges, but I can almost understand why he was feeling tense given the nature of the false report.

I truly think this idiot Swautistic should be made a very public example of. He very directly and knowingly played a critical part in the death of another human, just because it was the wrong human being doesn't excuse him. It makes it worse.
 
RavenSky said:
So I wonder if Loren will call this murder-by-cop... or at least manslaughter-by-cop?
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Naaaa, it will still be justified as the guy could have been ready to pull a gun, or overpower the cops and take their guns. Every one is superhuman in comparison to cops.
 
prideandfall said:
saw a thread on this on a gaming website that has hundreds of thousands of active users... within an hour it was up to 11 pages of people blaming the gamers, calling for their arrest and imprisonment, defending the cop, and making wild claims that the guy answering the door probably had a gun or something.
in a way it's interesting to know that knee-jerk authoritarian fellatio happens in places other than these forums, but at the same time it is truly sickening to see how people can defend the police in this circumstance.

i'd say the people who called in the SWAT team should certainly be charged with filing a false report, but the cop should be prosecuted for murder.
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Yes, the cop was at fault. Yes, in a just world, the cop would go to jail or at least lose his job for incompetence.

But having said that, I think whoever called the cops should go to jail. The practice of swatting is completely, wildly irresponsible, dangerous, and wasteful. Even if American police weren't a bunch of trigger happy savages, what if some citizen dies because the cops were answering a prank call and couldn't be in two places at once?
 
beero1000 said:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/30/lapd-arrest-swatting-wichita/
https://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192244734.html

They arrested the caller, released the call and video of the shooting. He's 25, with a history of swatting and calling in bomb threats. He did everything he could on the call to make sure the victim got shot. I'd throw the book at him.
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Absolutely agree... the existing book and at least 10 others (because the criminal penalties are far too light in this case)

I wonder how the other person is feeling this morning - the one who gave Swautistic the address.
 
Sounded like the poor guy was guilty of putting his hands up too fast.
Wonder if the cops had body cameras, and they remembered to turn them on.

Do these gamers just pull addresses off Google Maps or do they go after rival gamers? There would be some degree of comfort knowing they keep this in their own world.

If the cops came banging, I'd be scared shitless to even answer the door.
 
beero1000 said:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/30/lapd-arrest-swatting-wichita/
https://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192244734.html

They arrested the caller, released the call and video of the shooting. He's 25, with a history of swatting and calling in bomb threats. He did everything he could on the call to make sure the victim got shot. I'd throw the book at him.
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It shouldn't be possible for him to make sure the victim got shot, at least not in a free country. Unfortunately, America is a police state, so it was inevitable that the practice of swatting would result in a death.
 
If there's a way to get the swatter on a murder charge, do so. It should be a felony to make deliberate false report/accusation of a felony. The state isn't your proxy for carrying out vendettas; it needs to be punished severely.
 
RavenSky said:
beero1000 said:
https://www.engadget.com/2017/12/30/lapd-arrest-swatting-wichita/
https://www.kansas.com/news/local/crime/article192244734.html

They arrested the caller, released the call and video of the shooting. He's 25, with a history of swatting and calling in bomb threats. He did everything he could on the call to make sure the victim got shot. I'd throw the book at him.
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Absolutely agree... the existing book and at least 10 others (because the criminal penalties are far too light in this case)

I wonder how the other person is feeling this morning - the one who gave Swautistic the address.
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In okay with the "existing book" part, but I'm not okay with the "at least 10 others" part.

I don't for a moment think that a negligible punishment is an invitation to break the law anymore than I think leaving ones door unlocked (whether home or vehicle) is really an invitation to enter unwelcomed, as that's playing fast and loose with language. An invitation, it is not.

But, let's say I borrowed that language and said that the criminal penalties are too light serves as an invitation to commit those crimes. Why then punish as rightly deserved in face of such an invitation?

I never (ever) want to hold a criminal accountable that's in excess of the maximum allowable. In exchange for that, I ask that we never (ever) allow a criminal off for less than is allowable. What I propose is for legality to trump morality. We are then protected from the extremists that orbit in polar opposites.

We must have protection from the good people. The bad people are not even an issue. It's the good people with their highly varying moral shades of extreme that I'd rather have protection from.

How is a sociopath to keep himself in check if he can't even count on the punishments made explicit? If we're not going to follow the letter of the law and do as we feel, then maybe we need to start executing those that live in tent cities for the trespassing transgressions they wreak upon others. The point is, as soon as we vear from the law and rather hold tight to our own sociopathic notions of what's right, worse for the ware we are.
 
Terrell said:
If there's a way to get the swatter on a murder charge, do so. It should be a felony to make deliberate false report/accusation of a felony. The state isn't your proxy for carrying out vendettas; it needs to be punished severely.
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Depending on the state, deliberately filing a false police report may be a felony. Depending on the state, getting someone killed as a consequence of your felony may be felony murder. Finch was killed in Kansas and Bariss lied to the police from California, so god knows which state's law will apply.
 
Bomb#20 said:
Terrell said:
If there's a way to get the swatter on a murder charge, do so. It should be a felony to make deliberate false report/accusation of a felony. The state isn't your proxy for carrying out vendettas; it needs to be punished severely.
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Depending on the state, deliberately filing a false police report may be a felony. Depending on the state, getting someone killed as a consequence of your felony may be felony murder. Finch was killed in Kansas and Bariss lied to the police from California, so god knows which state's law will apply.
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I think that both Kansas and California have  depraved-heart murder statutes, which would be a second-degree murder charge (if that's how he's prosecuted, IANAL).
 
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