laughing dog
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That made me laugh so hard that my brain hurt.
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Gay Activist Dies By Suicide After LGBT Mob Hounds Him For Protesting Drag Queen Story Hour
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ronburgundy
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Curious whether you show such concern and outrage every one of the thousands of times every single year that LGBT people take their lives because of the intolerant hateful bigotry espoused by conservatives under the guise of religious expression, including by every single priest or pastor who calls homosexuality a sin or every single republican who votes to treat gays like subhumans without equal rights. If you have given support to religious or political leaders who oppose gay marriage and other rights, then you have causally contributed to tens of thousands of suicides by gay people.
It is certainly getting close to an actual problem:
"A Florida woman stabbed herself repeatedly because she’s ‘tired of living in Trump’s country’"
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/na...0190605-cjxvemgp6nhdlhpqoo4s2u56qi-story.html
Wouldn't you agree this woman was suffering from an extreme case of TDS? Hating Trump THAT MUCH to the point of stabbing yourself lends credence to our side, not the left's side.
There's a difference between calling it a sin and actively bullying them. For example, robbery is a sin. Not all robbers kill themselves over this, though. They know people view them as sinful. If it doesn't affect the robbers, it shouldn't affect the gays. They know we think it's a sin.
But, nobody I know goes up to robbers and actively bullies them.
spikepipsqueak
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You are conflating an example of actual wrongdoing, which is punishable by law and is punished if detected, with the marginalisation of a large proportion of the population who lead blameless lives, by people who just have to tell others what they can and cannot do and be.
You're right. There is a difference between calling it a sin and actively bullying them. You seem to be arguing against yourself.
To add: to conduct a rowdy protest at a pre-school story time is to predictably take the risk of frightening little kids. Uni students are not notably sensitive, and probably didn't even consider the potential outcome when planning the protest. That goes double for right wing kids who typically are from more entitled backgrounds and it reflects in their personalities.
I am sorry this young man has taken his own life, but there is some irony in comparing the bullying he was handing out and the bullying he was unable to withstand when he was on the receiving end.
ronburgundy
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So, it's not bullying just b/c you being a Christian means that they should know that you are a hateful bigot who thinks they should suffer for eternity for the private actions that harm nobody? No, that just means that you bully them so constantly and you are defined by your hateful bullying, so that they aren't surprised by it. Telling someone that their actions are sinful is to tell them that they are damned and deserve to be damned. It's worse than anything those trans activists said to this guy. You're just saying that Christians are so constantly and predictably hateful, mean, and bullying that their victims should be used to it.
But the evidence is overwhelming that your Christian treatment of gays causes tens of thousands of suicides every year.
Your false equivalence to "robbers" presumes that punching a person who is trying to rob you is the same as punching a person because they are gay.Which just shows how dangerously immoral your worldview is.
There's no irony, because he didn't bully anybody. But even if he did, the comparison wouldn't be apt. After all, neither of the drag queens at the event felt bullied enough to take their own lives, despite the claims they felt 'unsafe'.
It wasn't only trans activists who bullied him. He was bullied, I'm certain, by hundreds of virtue-signalling poseurs on Facebook and Twitter who are not trans activists, but who know which side of the bullying divide they're allowed to be on.
And yes, Christians, and Muslims, and whoever else telling gay people they are going to go to hell is so laughably stupid I can't believe people waste a single fucking moment thinking about it. You may as well tell me Zeus watches me masturbate and cries tears which turn into lies. "God punishes sodomites" is not any kind of threat at all, because it's complete fantasy.
spikepipsqueak
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Dunno.
To protest against the gov'ts lack of response to the threat of climate change is political activism. To protest because a drag queen is involved in their community to the extent of leading a pre-school story time looks remarkably like bullying of individuals. That's trying to impose your own code of conduct on people who are engaged in living their own lives in a completely victimless way.
I'm not defending the abuse that was directed at him on social media, that is indefensible, but so is the fact that he felt entitled to dictate other individuals' actions.
And you can't argue that his actions were OK because no-one committed suicide on the strength of them.
Who said I think they are damned forever? Who said I want that for gays? Who said I think they deserve to be damned?
You're putting a lot of words into my mouth. Me believing that being gay is a sin (according to God) in no way implies any of those things. You have a lot to learn about Christianity.
You are right. I don't believe we should have laws that promote violence against the gays. What I believe is that God determines the judgment. If God allows a gay into Heaven, I will sound the trumpet myself.
spikepipsqueak
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Having said that, surely you leave that decision to god and go about living your life according to the tenets of peace and tolerance that Jesus proposed, rather than promoting dissent between social groupings at every opportunity?
ronburgundy
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God doesn't exist, so all your beliefs about him are just shit you want to believe is true. Thus, everything you claim about God and homosexuality is nothing but your personal views. Any Christian who claims God thinks homosexuality is sinful and who thinks that sins will damn a person or prevent them from entering heaven is merely expressing their own personal bigotry against gays and their view that being gay makes them lesser and worthy of such treatment / exclusion. Theism is just a dishonest way to judge people and wish punishments on them without having the decency to take responsibility for it. The fact that you are so oblivious about your own selfish motives that you've conned yourself into actually believing that you're just following God's will rather than inventing God's will, doesn't in any way reduce your actual moral responsibility for those judgments and threats that you endorse in his name. Endorsing what "God thinks" or "The Bible says" is no different than saying "I think", except that the latter is more honest. If this wasn't true, then you would say "God/the Bible says homosexuality is a sin, but I think that is intolerant bigotry and we should tell God and the Bible to fuck off." That's what any decent person would do.
I am waiting for our leader in the area of anti-bullying, our First Lady Herself, opine on this. waiting... waiting... waiting...
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Besides the pathetic hypocrisy of any conservative Christian pretending to care about a gay person being bullied (claiming God objects to homosexuality is just blaming your bullying on someone else), there is the fact that this man wasn't bullied for being gay. He was verbally chastised and ridiculed for his specific actions that could cause tangible harm to others. That is not what the concept of "bullying" generally refers to, which is when a person is targeted b/c of some innate feature of themselves that is different or b/c they are weaker.
He got up in people's faces and told them that they shouldn't be allowed to be around kids. And in the past, he has tried to rob gays of their basic equal civil rights. His actions are far closer to the meaning of bullying than the words spoken against him for his bullying and harmful actions.
So, either this guy wasn't bullied b/c why the person was targeted is a defining feature of the concept, or "bullying" isn't inherently negative b/c it would apply equally to someone being chastised and criticized for harming other people.
Some people should be chastised, shamed, and ridiculed for what they say and do to try and cause harm to others who have done nothing to harm anyone. It's an act of self defense and a ethical protection of others. Was telling him to kill himself (especially given the high suicide rate of gays due to bullying from right wingers) excessive? Probably, although plenty of people should be highly encouraged to kill themselves, including a large % of conservatives who do numerous things to try and cause harm to millions of innocent people. And the post-suicide comments about him actually killing himself over his own self-loathing for being gay are likely accurate, with the public shame over the viral video of him being a trigger. The shame caused to him his whole life by conservatives and Christians engaging in actual bullying of homosexuals likely had a far larger causal role in his suicide than what was said to him for his harmful actions and bigotry.
He got up in people's faces and told them that they shouldn't be allowed to be around kids. And in the past, he has tried to rob gays of their basic equal civil rights. His actions are far closer to the meaning of bullying than the words spoken against him for his bullying and harmful actions.
So, either this guy wasn't bullied b/c why the person was targeted is a defining feature of the concept, or "bullying" isn't inherently negative b/c it would apply equally to someone being chastised and criticized for harming other people.
Some people should be chastised, shamed, and ridiculed for what they say and do to try and cause harm to others who have done nothing to harm anyone. It's an act of self defense and a ethical protection of others. Was telling him to kill himself (especially given the high suicide rate of gays due to bullying from right wingers) excessive? Probably, although plenty of people should be highly encouraged to kill themselves, including a large % of conservatives who do numerous things to try and cause harm to millions of innocent people. And the post-suicide comments about him actually killing himself over his own self-loathing for being gay are likely accurate, with the public shame over the viral video of him being a trigger. The shame caused to him his whole life by conservatives and Christians engaging in actual bullying of homosexuals likely had a far larger causal role in his suicide than what was said to him for his harmful actions and bigotry.
My question was, "Does she".