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If they are going to run around killing civilians with drones, I think they should first announce that operating a drone to take photographs is a risk since they cannot determine the nature of the drone. And they could perhaps also name the regions of highest risk so that journalists can make decisions for their own safety.

Senior White House adviser Jared Kushner presents his vision for Gaza at the Board of Peace signing ceremony, saying the next phase is to “work with Hamas on demilitarization.”

Kushner says the White House wants to bring “free market economy principles to Gaza, reflecting the “same mindset, same approach” that US President Donald Trump is implementing in the US.

He presents his master plan for Gaza, which includes a seaport and an airport, and says that there “is no plan B.” It will start with Rafah, then move northward in phases until Gaza City, he says.

I realize the situation is different, but imagine Biden said this to Christian conservatives in the US: "Give up your guns. Then, we'll fix inflation."
 
If they are going to run around killing civilians with drones, I think they should first announce that operating a drone to take photographs is a risk since they cannot determine the nature of the drone. And they could perhaps also name the regions of highest risk so that journalists can make decisions for their own safety.
Do we even know that these three were just journalists and that they were doing what is claimed they were doing with that drone?
We know that many Gaza journalists also moonlight as Hamas terrorists.

Kushner says the White House wants to bring “free market economy principles to Gaza, reflecting the “same mindset, same approach” that US President Donald Trump is implementing in the US.
First part was not bad, but then he had to go ahead and ruin it.
He presents his master plan for Gaza, which includes a seaport and an airport, and says that there “is no plan B.” It will start with Rafah, then move northward in phases until Gaza City, he says.
Btw, this is the map of the alleged "master plan".
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I very much doubt that it will be implemented in a form resembling this.
I realize the situation is different, but imagine Biden said this to Christian conservatives in the US: "Give up your guns. Then, we'll fix inflation."
Very different. Hamas is a brutal and islamofascist terrorist organization that has been ruling Gaza since 2007 and which attacked its neighbor and started a war of aggression.
It is hardly comparable to millions of law-abiding gun owners in the US who just happen to be Christian and conservative.
 
If they are going to run around killing civilians with drones, I think they should first announce that operating a drone to take photographs is a risk since they cannot determine the nature of the drone. And they could perhaps also name the regions of highest risk so that journalists can make decisions for their own safety.
Do we even know that these three were just journalists and that they were doing what is claimed they were doing with that drone?
We know that many Gaza journalists also moonlight as Hamas terrorists.
We also know the IDF has no problem killing civilians or lying about it.
 
If they are going to run around killing civilians with drones, I think they should first announce that operating a drone to take photographs is a risk since they cannot determine the nature of the drone. And they could perhaps also name the regions of highest risk so that journalists can make decisions for their own safety.
Do we even know that these three were just journalists and that they were doing what is claimed they were doing with that drone?
We know that many Gaza journalists also moonlight as Hamas terrorists.

We know that Israeli military spokespersons often claim the journalists killed by the IDF were part of Hamas but have not provided credible evidence to substantiate those claims.

Israel has been targeting journalists in Gaza since the start of the current war.
A study by Brown University in April found that Israeli attacks in Gaza since the war began in October 2023 have killed more journalists there than the U.S. Civil War, World Wars I and II, the Korean War, Vietnam War, the wars in Yugoslavia in the 1990s and 2000s, and the post-9/11 war in Afghanistan, combined.

The Committee to Protect Journalists says "Israel is engaging in the deadliest and most deliberate effort to kill and silence journalists that CPJ has ever documented." Israeli attacks have also killed dozens of relatives of prominent journalists reporting in Gaza.

The smears are part of the strategy.

The Committee to Protect Journalists says the military has not provided credible evidence for its allegations and has called on Israel to "to stop making unsubstantiated allegations to justify its killing and mistreatment of members of the press."

In one such example, noted by CPJ, Israel's military killed 27-year-old Al-Jazeera correspondent Ismail al-Ghoul and his cameraman Rami Al Refee last year in an airstrike on their car that severed al-Ghoul's head from his body. The Israeli military then published a document it says shows al-Ghoul received a Hamas military ranking in 2007, but CPJ notes he would have only been 10 years-old at the time.

Sometimes the IDF doesn't even bother making a specific claim, just a vague claim about "militants".

The latest major attack was Aug. 25, when an Israeli strike hit Reuters cameraman Hussam al-Masri during a live transmission from the open stairwell of a hospital, killing him on the spot. Israeli forces struck that same stairwell minutes later again, killing medics, first responders and four more journalists working for international media, including The Associated Press and Al Jazeera.

An initial finding by the military said troops targeted a camera positioned by Hamas, but the military provided no evidence and did not respond to further NPR questions. The military also said six militants were killed in the attack, but did not say if they were the intended target nor answer further questions.

And there is no question they are targeting journalists, which btw is a war crime, when they launch an airstrike on a clearly marked press tent.

Two weeks before the Aug. 25 attack, on Aug. 11, six journalists were killed in a targeted Israeli airstrike on a press tent outside one of Gaza's main hospitals.

Israel's military said it was targeting Anas al-Sharif, Gaza's most well-known television reporter, who was killed while wearing a blue "PRESS" vest. The 28-year-old was Al Jazeera's correspondent in the north and had a massive online following. Before his death, he had denied Israeli allegations of affiliation with Hamas' military wing, and continued reporting despite the risks to his life. Early in the war, his home was bombed by Israeli forces and his father was killed.
 
It's probably not a good idea to call something a Master Plan after slaughtering tens of thousands of people.
 
It's probably not a good idea to call something a Master Plan after slaughtering tens of thousands of people.
Why? "Master plan" just means an overarching plan for something.
And the only reason people got killed in Gaza is that Gaza attacked Israel and slaughtered over a 1000 people, and kidnapped hundreds more. We must not ignore what led to this in the first place.
 
It's probably not a good idea to call something a Master Plan after slaughtering tens of thousands of people.
Why? "Master plan" just means an overarching plan for something.
And the only reason people got killed in Gaza is that Gaza attacked Israel and slaughtered over a 1000 people, and kidnapped hundreds more. We must not ignore what led to this in the first place.
You write as if the gov’t of Israel had no agency in their response to Hamas’s barbaric act.
 
We know that Israeli military spokespersons often claim the journalists killed by the IDF were part of Hamas but have not provided credible evidence to substantiate those claims.
What would you and your ilk even consider "credible evidence"?
The smears are part of the strategy.
It's not a "smear" that, for example, a physician father and his journalist son held hostages in Nuseirat:
‘He was a pious man’: The Gaza neighborhood shocked to find Israeli hostages in their midst
The Committee to Protect Journalists says the military has not provided credible evidence for its allegations and has called on Israel to "to stop making unsubstantiated allegations to justify its killing and mistreatment of members of the press."
Again, what evidence would they even accept?
NPR said:
In one such example, noted by CPJ, Israel's military killed 27-year-old Al-Jazeera correspondent Ismail al-Ghoul and his cameraman Rami Al Refee last year in an airstrike on their car that severed al-Ghoul's head from his body. The Israeli military then published a document it says shows al-Ghoul received a Hamas military ranking in 2007, but CPJ notes he would have only been 10 years-old at the time.
See, they lie already! The document shows him joining Hamas in 2014.
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He was 17 at the time, prime age for terror group recruitment.
Israel's military said it was targeting Anas al-Sharif, Gaza's most well-known television reporter, who was killed while wearing a blue "PRESS" vest. The 28-year-old was Al Jazeera's correspondent in the north and had a massive online following. Before his death, he had denied Israeli allegations of affiliation with Hamas' military wing, and continued reporting despite the risks to his life. Early in the war, his home was bombed by Israeli forces and his father was killed.
This Anas al-Sharif?
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You write as if the gov’t of Israel had no agency in their response to Hamas’s barbaric act.
They certainly were not going to turn the other cheek.
No one said otherwise. The point is that Hamas’s barbarism was not the ONLY reason people got killed in Gaza as you wrote.
 

So now Israeli govt is accepting it and so will people claim Israel is anti-Semitic, too?
As I said before, even if we accept Hamas Health Ministry data, including the tabulations of ages and genders of fatalities, we see a prominent bulge with military-age males - i.e. minor teenagers and young to early middle age men.
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The inciting incident:
AP News said:
Israel’s military, which has struck targets on both sides of the ceasefire’s dividing line, said its attacks since October have been responses to violations of the agreement. It said Saturday’s strikes followed what it described as two separate ceasefire violations a day earlier, in which Israeli forces killed three militants who emerged from a tunnel in an Israeli-controlled area of Rafah and four who approached troops near the dividing line.
 

So now Israeli govt is accepting it and so will people claim Israel is anti-Semitic, too?
As I said before, even if we accept Hamas Health Ministry data, including the tabulations of ages and genders of fatalities, we see a prominent bulge with military-age males - i.e. minor teenagers and young to early middle age men.
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and I already responded to that.
 
The reason why aid is so slow to get in is that it all needs to be carefully inspected because supporters of Gaza terrorists try to smuggle weapons.

IDF finds huge haul of mortars in UNRWA blankets, humanitarian aid
Jerusalem Post said:
The IDF on Tuesday announced that it found a huge haul of around 110 mortar rounds, as well as some rockets and other military items, concealed within UNRWA blankets and humanitarian aid in southern Gaza.

A statement said that the IDF’s 7th armored brigade found the weapons – one of the most extensive single finds of longer-range weapons since Trump’s 2025 Gaza ceasefire deal in October – during its standard patrols within Israeli-held territory east of the Yellow Line.
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The find was doubly significant since it was made within UNRWA humanitarian aid.

Israel has made exposing UNRWA’s double-dealing with Hamas, working as an aid group and looking the other way when it hides weapons in their facilities or aid, a major global message and mission during and after the war.

Despite heavy global criticism, it has banned UNRWA from operating within Israel.

UNRWA needs to be abolished and its legitimate operations need to be folded into UNHCR.
 
Derec here were responses to your bulge observation.

Derec said:
I showed why I dispute their findings in some detail. I even analyzed Gaza MoH numbers showing that military age males are heavily overrepresented among fatalities, even if we accept the Hamas-run ministry's figures.
Yeah, showing that the IDF kills mostly males - who are there targets - doesn’t show they are killing mostly terrorists.

I have to agree with you. For the reader's sake, some portion of suspects are innocent. The suspects will tend to be military-aged males because that will be used by soldiers as a factor in determining threat, not to mention that AI was also used and could also make mistakes. I don't expect the majority of "the bulge" or artifact in the graph to be non-militant persons, but it isn't clear precisely how many.

We could say that a reasonable upper bound number of terrorists could be the difference between the male and female numbers, but this would only be an upper bound. A more recent dataset gives 68226 Gazans killed. 21706 were female. If we suppose that females were innocent of being armed militants and innocent males were at least this number, then we have 2 x 21706 = 43412 lower bound innocent Gazans killed. We also have an upper bound of terrorists killed of 68226 - 43412 = 24814. We could say that the upper bound of terrorists killed was 36.4% and lower bound of innocents killed was 63.6%.
 
Derec here were responses to your bulge observation.
I will respond below.
Yeah, showing that the IDF kills mostly males - who are there targets - doesn’t show they are killing mostly terrorists.
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If the killing was really indiscriminate, there would be no large difference between male and female figures, and the age structure would follow the age structure of the overall population.
We see that the female graph follows the population pyramid, which, in Gaza, is actually pyramid shaped despite relatively high life expectancies due to extremely high birth rates. That shows that women who got killed are largely unfortunate collateral damage of urban warfare. We see a pyramid shape for very young and old men. But in the middle - the age when many teenagers and men engage in combat, we see a large bulge.
Natural interpretation of that is those are the combatants IDF targets, like the terrorists who emerged from a tunnel in Rafah a few days ago. Or the terrorists who shot and wounded an IDF soldier yesterday.
To assume that this must be because IDF targeting random young men, and not combatants, is just an attempt to smear Israel for political reasons.
I have to agree with you. For the reader's sake, some portion of suspects are innocent. The suspects will tend to be military-aged males because that will be used by soldiers as a factor in determining threat, not to mention that AI was also used and could also make mistakes. I don't expect the majority of "the bulge" or artifact in the graph to be non-militant persons, but it isn't clear precisely how many.
Nothing is perfect, of course. Note that some military-age male fatalities are civilians, but they are accounted for in the "pyramid" portion of the graph, not the "bulge" portion. The "bulge" is just the excess military-age fatalities. I have not seen any evidence that a significant portion of the "bulge" is due to misidentified suspects.

We could say that a reasonable upper bound number of terrorists could be the difference between the male and female numbers, but this would only be an upper bound. A more recent dataset gives 68226 Gazans killed. 21706 were female. If we suppose that females were innocent of being armed militants and innocent males were at least this number, then we have 2 x 21706 = 43412 lower bound innocent Gazans killed. We also have an upper bound of terrorists killed of 68226 - 43412 = 24814. We could say that the upper bound of terrorists killed was 36.4% and lower bound of innocents killed was 63.6%.
I would not expect too many female combatants in Islamist groups like Hamas or PIJ. But secular groups like PFLP have recruited female terrorists. So it's not appropriate to assume all females are innocent non-combatants.

That said, of course the Gaza war had a large share of non-combatant fatalities. Part of it is due to it being urban warfare, and that is always hell for the civilian population. But another part of it is that Hamas and its allies deliberately operate from civilian areas, even going as far as putting rocket launchers and weapons caches in the midst of tents in places like al-Mawasi.
They do that because they know they can rely on useful idiots in the West (including media outlets, universities, and not few politicians) to do their bidding by blaming Israel for the civilian casualties caused by Hamas' actions.
 
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