Merged Gaza just launched an unprovoked attack on Israel

[Derec]

Well done, IDF.

IDF confirms killing of top Islamic Jihad Gaza commander

The IDF announced on Wednesday that a Palestinian Islamic Jihad official it had killed earlier in the day was one of the most senior it has assassinated since the October 2025 ceasefire.
According to the military, Ali Raziana commanded PIJ’s entire influential Northern Gaza Brigade, was a member of its military high command, and was a key coordinator with Hamas for carrying out terror attacks against IDF troops.
[...]
Also on Wednesday, the IDF and Shin Bet announced the killing of Muhammad Issam Hassan al-Habil, who murdered IDF Cpl. Noa Marciano.
Shin Bet interrogations revealed that al-Habil murdered Marciano, an IDF observer, while she was in captivity, after she was kidnapped from the Nahal Oz IDF base on October 7, 2023.

More fodder for the "bulge".

 

[laughing dog]

Derec here were responses to your bulge observation.

I will respond below.

Yeah, showing that the IDF kills mostly males - who are there targets - doesn’t show they are killing mostly terrorists.

*their
If the killing was really indiscriminate, there would be no large difference between male and female figures,

That is your assumption. Arab life in ME is fairly segregated by sex, so there is no reason for a fair minded person to make such an assumption.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

I have not seen any evidence that a significant portion of the "bulge" is due to misidentified suspects.

Yes, you have as you have seen evidence of many military aged males such as ambulance drivers and journalists who were killed. You've seen evidence of military aged young men shot because they were suspected of having weapons but it was not proved they had weapons. So since the fact of being a military aged male adds to a profile with other information such as being in the wrong place or adjacent to battles or forces, but being a female or very very young or extremely old does not add to such profile, one can say that the evidence is that some unknown portion of the bulge is due to innocent military aged men. We cannot say what that portion is and therefore we can only speak in terms of upper and lower bounds.

To assume that this must be because IDF targeting random young men, and not combatants, is just an attempt to smear Israel for political reasons.
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They do that because they know they can rely on useful idiots in the West (including media outlets, universities, and not few politicians) to do their bidding by blaming Israel for the civilian casualties caused by Hamas' actions.

You are not only arguing against strawmen, but also you are projecting.

 

[bilby]

Natural interpretation of that is those are the combatants IDF targets

... or that the IDF targets men of military age whether they are combatants or not.

And there is no obvious way to determine which.

To assume that this must be because IDF is targeting combatants, and not random young men, is just an attempt to smear Gazans for political reasons.

FTFY.

Your "reasoning" and "evidence" turns out just to be your presumptions, biases, and opinions sitting in eachothers shoulders and wearing a trenchcoat.

 

[TSwizzle]

Meanwhile in two tier Keir’s England

Six Palestine Action activists have been cleared of committing aggravated burglary over a break-in at an Israeli defence firm’s UK site. Charlotte Head, Samuel Corner, Leona Kamio, Fatema Rajwani, Zoe Rogers and Jordan Devlin were accused of threatening unlawful violence and using sledgehammers as weapons after a prison van was driven into Elbit Systems’ factory in Filton, near Bristol, on 6 August 2024.
The jury deliberated for 36 hours and 34 minutes but could not reach verdicts for charges of criminal damage against any of the six defendants. This was in spite of all of the defendants, except Devlin, telling jurors they had entered the factory without permission and damaged Elbit’s equipment including computers and drones. Additionally, no verdict was reached in the allegation that Corner, 23, inflicted grievous bodily harm on police sergeant Kate Evans, or on the charges of violent disorder against Head, Corner and Kamio.

Teh Gruaniad

 

[DrZoidberg]

Even when its not the Jews, its still the Jews

Gazans returning through Rafah crossing describe checks by Palestinian militia

One Palestinian woman said members of the Israel-linked militia searched them and their belongings at an Israeli checkpoint inside Gaza.

www.bbc.com

Oh, those Jews and their deceptive malicious ways.

Its weird how only fanatical Jihadis hellbent on murdering all Jews get a free pass in western press. Strike that. Its not weird. Its all too familiar. We have learned nothing

 

[laughing dog]

I didn’t realize the BBC was not part of “the western press”.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I didn’t realize the BBC was not part of “the western press”.

Its based in the UK. So absolutely western press. Very much so. Which is why they so uncritically keep pushing the Islamist agenda. As shown on the article

 

[Derec]

Meanwhile in two tier Keir’s England

Property damage and attacking police women with a sledgehammer for "Palestine" is fine in the nascent Islamic Republic of al-Britain these days.

 

[laughing dog]

I didn’t realize the BBC was not part of “the western press”.

Its based in the UK. So absolutely western press. Very much so. Which is why they so uncritically keep pushing the Islamist agenda. As shown on the article

Exactly how was the article you linked supporting the Islamist agenda?

 

[DrZoidberg]

I didn’t realize the BBC was not part of “the western press”.

Its based in the UK. So absolutely western press. Very much so. Which is why they so uncritically keep pushing the Islamist agenda. As shown on the article

Exactly how was the article you linked supporting the Islamist agenda?

Because it insinuates that any Palestinian organisation cooperating with the IDF are collaborators. It completely reverses the narrative. It's just more "Jews are bad" narrative.

Its also infantilising of Palestinians. As if they're not capable of wanting a true democracy, peace and stability. Of course those Palestinians exist. And they need weapons. They'd be stupid not to take what is given to them.

Hamas is extremely well funded. Their opponents need all the help they can get. Weapons from Israel aren't tainted.

 

[laughing dog]

I didn’t realize the BBC was not part of “the western press”.

Its based in the UK. So absolutely western press. Very much so. Which is why they so uncritically keep pushing the Islamist agenda. As shown on the article

Exactly how was the article you linked supporting the Islamist agenda?

Because it insinuates that any Palestinian organisation cooperating with the IDF are collaborators. It completely reverses the narrative. It's just more "Jews are bad" narrative.

“Insinuate”? That means you’re injecting your bias.

Its also infantilising of Palestinians. As if they're not capable of wanting a true democracy, peace and stability. …..

. You routinely “infantise” Palestinians in this thread and claim they are incapable of democracy. I doubt you view yourself as an Islamist propagandist.

If Israel giving weapons to an anti-Hamas group in Gaza is “blaming the Jews”, it is literally self criticism.

Of course, the report blames no one, it just reports the facts.

 

[DrZoidberg]

I didn’t realize the BBC was not part of “the western press”.

Its based in the UK. So absolutely western press. Very much so. Which is why they so uncritically keep pushing the Islamist agenda. As shown on the article

Exactly how was the article you linked supporting the Islamist agenda?

Because it insinuates that any Palestinian organisation cooperating with the IDF are collaborators. It completely reverses the narrative. It's just more "Jews are bad" narrative.

“Insinuate”? That means you’re injecting your bias.

Sure. As you are when you are reading the same article. Neither of us are perfectly objective. But I am sure both of us are trying our best.

Its also infantilising of Palestinians. As if they're not capable of wanting a true democracy, peace and stability. …..

. You routinely “infantise” Palestinians in this thread and claim they are incapable of democracy. I doubt you view yourself as an Islamist propagandist.

I do? That's like saying that Germans aren't capable of democracy because of Nazism. Or Italian. That's clearly not true. So I don't understand your logic. It is broken.

If Israel giving weapons to an anti-Hamas group in Gaza is “blaming the Jews”, it is literally self criticism.

Is it?

Of course, the report blames no one, it just reports the facts.

The focus is on that the Hamas group is supported by Israel. Not that it's an indipendent actor. Isreal being a decent actor, is supporting anything that fosters democracy. The article doesn't draw attention to that. Curious.

 

[laughing dog]

The focus is on that the Hamas group is supported by Israel. Not that it's an indipendent actor. Isreal being a decent actor, is supporting anything that fosters democracy. The article doesn't draw attention to that. Curious.

The article is reports on the use of the old tactic of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. That’s all.

Interesting you think arming anyone fosters democracy.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

You write as if the gov’t of Israel had no agency in their response to Hamas’s barbaric act.

They certainly were not going to turn the other cheek.

It's always unclear what liberal supporters of oppressive theocratic regimes expect to happen when said oppressive theocratic regimes attack a liberal democracy.

Do they expect Israelis to vacate Israel? Do they expect Israeli policy and its citizens to simply capitulate and say, "Okay, we realize that after being invaded multiple times since 1947 and being subject to suicide and car bombers we finally see the light of hateful religious killers. Oh, and that whole 1972 Munich Olympics thing? Don't worry about it! We deserved that too! That barbaric October operation? It was our fault!"

The whole concept that it was Hamas, supported by Iran, has little to no responsibility in what's happened seems to be absent in their thinking.

 

[Tigers!]

You write as if the gov’t of Israel had no agency in their response to Hamas’s barbaric act.

They certainly were not going to turn the other cheek.

It's always unclear what liberal supporters of oppressive theocratic regimes expect to happen when said oppressive theocratic regimes attack a liberal democracy.

Do they expect Israelis to vacate Israel?

Yes

Do they expect Israeli policy and its citizens to simply capitulate and say, "Okay, we realize that after being invaded multiple times since 1947 and being subject to suicide and car bombers we finally see the light of hateful religious killers. Oh, and that whole 1972 Munich Olympics thing? Don't worry about it! We deserved that too! That barbaric October operation? It was our fault!"

Yes

The whole concept that it was Hamas, supported by Iran, has little to no responsibility in what's happened seems to be absent in their thinking.

 

[DrZoidberg]

The focus is on that the Hamas group is supported by Israel. Not that it's an indipendent actor. Isreal being a decent actor, is supporting anything that fosters democracy. The article doesn't draw attention to that. Curious.

The article is reports on the use of the old tactic of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. That’s all.

Interesting you think arming anyone fosters democracy.

How do you think revolutions work? No king was beheaded by asking nicely.

 

[laughing dog]

The focus is on that the Hamas group is supported by Israel. Not that it's an indipendent actor. Isreal being a decent actor, is supporting anything that fosters democracy. The article doesn't draw attention to that. Curious.

The article is reports on the use of the old tactic of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. That’s all.

Interesting you think arming anyone fosters democracy.

How do you think revolutions work? No king was beheaded by asking nicely.

There are no king(s) in Gaza.

How many revolutions result in democracy, especially in the Middle East?

 

[DrZoidberg]

The focus is on that the Hamas group is supported by Israel. Not that it's an indipendent actor. Isreal being a decent actor, is supporting anything that fosters democracy. The article doesn't draw attention to that. Curious.

The article is reports on the use of the old tactic of “the enemy of my enemy is my friend”. That’s all.

Interesting you think arming anyone fosters democracy.

How do you think revolutions work? No king was beheaded by asking nicely.

There are no king(s) in Gaza.

How many revolutions result in democracy, especially in the Middle East?

That's a pretty ignorant comment.

Most European democracy's (including Denmark) was the result of top down liberal reforms in the late 19'th century. So its tempting to think that they weren't a result of revolutions. But that’s an illusion. Almost all European democracy's are a result of the 1948 revolutions across Europe. Very similar to the Arab spring. And like them all ultimatily failed their objectives. They were brutaly repressed.

Since the French revolution uprisings had become more common and bloodier. Govornments became increasingly repressive.

The aftermath of the 1948 revolutions was a breaking point. All European governments realised that the old ways were dead. Sooner or later all countries that didn't reform would all share the fate of 1789 France (including France).

Aristocratic privileged were removed, across Europe and we got liberal reforms that step be step led to universal suffrage.

So the correct answer to your question is all of them. There is no democracy that isn't a direct result of revolution. It might not be a revolution in their countries. But at some point autocratic leaders looked at how history tends to play out given their context and either backed down or stuck to their guns.

This is also true for democratic reformers. They know the power of revolutions and can use it as a threat in negotiating with dictators.

I thought your comment was incredibly naive.

Also, the lesson we can draw from the 1948 revolutions is that, while they all failed in the short term. They all succeeded in the long term. Good news for the Middle-East.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Similarly the Russian revolution lead to socialist reforms all over the world. Because people were afraid of communist revolutions. Also a success. Socialism tends to be most successful on countries that didn't have a communist revolution. The irony. All socialist reforms everywhere are a result of revolutions. Either the 1948 revolutions or Russian revolution. Whether those voting socialist is aware of it is beside the point