I've heard it argued by apologists on youtube, ect that God exists outside of time and space. How can that be? If he has substance then he has space and is inside a space and if he thinks or does anything he is acting within time.
Who said he had substance?I've heard it argued by apologists on youtube, ect that God exists outside of time and space. How can that be? If he has substance then he has space and is inside a space and if he thinks or does anything he is acting within time.
sorry but I am not connecting the dots on this.Who said he had substance?I've heard it argued by apologists on youtube, ect that God exists outside of time and space. How can that be? If he has substance then he has space and is inside a space and if he thinks or does anything he is acting within time.
If there is such a thing as a God which exists outside time and space, then such and entity exists at all points in time and space simultaneously.
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sorry but I am not connecting the dots on this.Who said he had substance?I've heard it argued by apologists on youtube, ect that God exists outside of time and space. How can that be? If he has substance then he has space and is inside a space and if he thinks or does anything he is acting within time.
If there is such a thing as a God which exists outside time and space, then such and entity exists at all points in time and space simultaneously.
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how do you arrive at this conclusion/condition?
it isn't straightforward, just like your reply/"clarification" isn't straightforward.sorry but I am not connecting the dots on this.Who said he had substance?I've heard it argued by apologists on youtube, ect that God exists outside of time and space. How can that be? If he has substance then he has space and is inside a space and if he thinks or does anything he is acting within time.
If there is such a thing as a God which exists outside time and space, then such and entity exists at all points in time and space simultaneously.
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how do you arrive at this conclusion/condition?
It seems quite straightforward, unless you want to propose a God who can travel through space and time in zero time. Being everywhere all the time would be much more convenient.
However, the proposal, "If I can't imagine it, it does not exist," is silly on the face of it.
it isn't straightforward, just like your reply/"clarification" isn't straightforward.sorry but I am not connecting the dots on this.Who said he had substance?I've heard it argued by apologists on youtube, ect that God exists outside of time and space. How can that be? If he has substance then he has space and is inside a space and if he thinks or does anything he is acting within time.
If there is such a thing as a God which exists outside time and space, then such and entity exists at all points in time and space simultaneously.
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how do you arrive at this conclusion/condition?
It seems quite straightforward, unless you want to propose a God who can travel through space and time in zero time. Being everywhere all the time would be much more convenient.
However, the proposal, "If I can't imagine it, it does not exist," is silly on the face of it.
I'd still like an explanation why something would have to exist all points in time and space simultaneously if it existed outside space and time.
yeah I get it, you make bold assertions which appear to be baseless and untennable.Sorry, that's all there is.
if you can't explain it then you must not be able to understand it.There is a limit to human comprehension.
somehow in your world this means something.If you can't grasp existence in all places at all time, it is beyond you.
I'd still like an explanation why something would have to exist all points in time and space simultaneously if it existed outside space and time.It helps if you remember that time and space are human constructions to help us see order in the universe.
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I think it's a legitimate answer to those that believe it because it is an answer.
for the rest of us, it just don't make sense.
Bronzage, are you saying something like, "God exists in a different dimention than the first 4 dimentions we ourselves exist within, so you can say that this God can be "everywhere at all times", since all of our 4 dimentions can be described as a single point within a "higher" dimention?
Or are you saying that this God is "outside our Universe", yet somehow inside the universe and everywhere at all times?
The former is logically valid, the latter is not.
But to suggest that the bing created anything is to appeal to time. The being would have to exist without the created thing, then the being would have to do something that resulted in the existence of the created thing. This takes time. Without time god wouldn't have enough time to create time.
It seems logically consistent to me. That doesn't make it true but it's not hard to understand.
If a bing created space, time and matter then it would exist outside of these three things.
Space doesn't have to travel in order to be everywhere at once. It is something too- it has properties, such as electromagnetic permittivity, that indicate that it is not "nothing".It seems quite straightforward, unless you want to propose a God who can travel through space and time in zero time. Being everywhere all the time would be much more convenient.
Space doesn't have to travel in order to be everywhere at once. It is something too- it has properties, such as electromagnetic permittivity, that indicate that it is not "nothing".It seems quite straightforward, unless you want to propose a God who can travel through space and time in zero time. Being everywhere all the time would be much more convenient.
And cause sammiches to form. Don't forget that sunlight shining on the Earth's surface caused various awesome types of sammiches to form.Space doesn't have to travel in order to be everywhere at once. It is something too- it has properties, such as electromagnetic permittivity, that indicate that it is not "nothing".It seems quite straightforward, unless you want to propose a God who can travel through space and time in zero time. Being everywhere all the time would be much more convenient.
I'm still trying to work out how something 93 million miles away can give me sunburn.