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 Gombe Chimpanzee War

Apart from demonstrating that war is a behavior humans and chimpanzees inherited from a common ancestor, it's kinda cool.
 
"Satan [one of the apes], cupping his hand below Sniff's chin to drink the blood that welled from a great wound on his face"

Gee, Satan isn't a nice ape is he?
 
You could find a similar result if you were to exchange for "two prides of lions" or "two wolf packs" in a similar containment area.
;)
 
Learner said:
You could find a similar result if you were to exchange for "two prides of lions" or "two wolf packs" in a similar containment area.
;)
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Really? You have seen comparable studies? A pride or pack splitting into two, then waging war?
 
Awww.. how so quaintly Anthropomorphic. Was the formal declaration of war pissed onto a tree, or delivered via fecal catapult?
 
Keith&Co. said:
Learner said:
You could find a similar result if you were to exchange for "two prides of lions" or "two wolf packs" in a similar containment area.
;)
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Really? You have seen comparable studies? A pride or pack splitting into two, then waging war?
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That's the interesting part. Animals fight, but seldom do animals wage war against each other. It's as if the capacity for prolonged conflict between two or more particular groups is something specific to apes and monkeys.
 
Learner said:
You could find a similar result if you were to exchange for "two prides of lions" or "two wolf packs" in a similar containment area.
;)
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I'm skeptical about this. Fighting is costly and risky. Injuries impede the ability to eat. Wolves and big cats avoid fighting unless they have to.

The question for me is what makes apes different in that respect. Something to do with more complex primate social behavior?
 
The word "War" using it in the chimps fighting scenario does give it a more unique perspective amongst other animals and adding to this view that they also stand upright on two legs and throw things more or less like humans.
 
Learner said:
The word "War" using it in the chimps fighting scenario does give it a more unique perspective amongst other animals and adding to this view that they also stand upright on two legs and throw things more or less like humans.
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ya.. it's called Anthropomorphizing.

I just last night watched a documentary on the Discovery channel called, "The last Lions". It was about two separate prides of Lions in Africa, and their battles with eachother over territory around the Buffalo resources. They were separated by a narrow river, that they would occasionally cross to start trouble with the other pack... like attempting to kill the other groups cubs, or pushing their territory back.

Lions, "at war".

What about ants? OBVIOUSLY they wage war with each other.. .some varieties are actually called ARMY Ants.

The false equivalences are endless!
 
Army ants are ants that do not make permanent homes for themselves. Instead, they continually travel as swarms and make only temporary homes for themselves.

However, colonies of ants have been known to fight each other.
 
Lions and wolves may fight to defend territory or in accidental encounters, but they don't set out with the intention of killing others just for the thrill of it.
 
Malintent said:
Learner said:
The word "War" using it in the chimps fighting scenario does give it a more unique perspective amongst other animals and adding to this view that they also stand upright on two legs and throw things more or less like humans.
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ya.. it's called Anthropomorphizing.

I just last night watched a documentary on the Discovery channel called, "The last Lions". It was about two separate prides of Lions in Africa, and their battles with eachother over territory around the Buffalo resources. They were separated by a narrow river, that they would occasionally cross to start trouble with the other pack... like attempting to kill the other groups cubs, or pushing their territory back.

Lions, "at war".

What about ants? OBVIOUSLY they wage war with each other.. .some varieties are actually called ARMY Ants.

The false equivalences are endless!
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Lions fight, they don't war.

Two elks meet in a forest and butt heads until one wins, then they both leave. That's a fight.

This behavior is more war-like than anything else we see in other mammals. This is the persistent singling out and destruction of a particular group of belligerents by another over a prolonged period. War.

When wolves fight over territory, they do not make a point of tracking/chasing down and destroying the other pack to a man.
 
LordKiran said:
Malintent said:
ya.. it's called Anthropomorphizing.

I just last night watched a documentary on the Discovery channel called, "The last Lions". It was about two separate prides of Lions in Africa, and their battles with eachother over territory around the Buffalo resources. They were separated by a narrow river, that they would occasionally cross to start trouble with the other pack... like attempting to kill the other groups cubs, or pushing their territory back.

Lions, "at war".

What about ants? OBVIOUSLY they wage war with each other.. .some varieties are actually called ARMY Ants.

The false equivalences are endless!
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Lions fight, they don't war.

Two elks meet in a forest and butt heads until one wins, then they both leave. That's a fight.

This behavior is more war-like than anything else we see in other mammals. This is the persistent singling out and destruction of a particular group of belligerents by another over a prolonged period. War.

When wolves fight over territory, they do not make a point of tracking/chasing down and destroying the other pack to a man.
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Neither do humans, usually. We kill enough of the enemy to achieve some practical objective, such as control of territory. As you say, two elks meet in a forest and butt heads until one wins, then they both leave. That's a fight. That's elks. Lions are something else altogether.

"Lion prides form to win turf wars"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/earth/hi/earth_news/newsid_8120000/8120712.stm

"Packer’s reward has been an epic kind of science, a detailed chronicle of the lives and doings of generations of prides: the Plains Pride, the Lost Girls 2, the Transect Truants. Over the decades there have been plagues, births, invasions, feuds and dynasties. When the lions went to war, as they are inclined to do, he was their Homer."

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/the-truth-about-lions-11558237/
 
NO BLOOD FOR BANANAS!!!
 
seyorni said:
Lions and wolves may fight to defend territory or in accidental encounters, but they don't set out with the intention of killing others just for the thrill of it.
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I guess you have never seen a cat. They LIVE for the sport of killing.
 
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