GOP 'protecting' our schools

[marc]

Two stories I've seen recently on bills republicans are trying to pass.

In Florida, a bill to protect 'ideological freedom', would require surveys of the political viewpoints of faculty and students.

Additionally, the legislation would permit students to secretly record professors for the purpose of reporting them, should they be under the impression their right to free speech is being violated.

Yea, like that is not intended to lead to pressuring schools to teach the 'correct' viewpoints, or at least not teach criticism of them.


And in Rhode Island, there is a bill to prohibit teaching concepts involving racism and sexism.

The bill would basically prohibit teachers from talking about societal issues the way we talk about them today. That includes pointing fingers at a specific race or sex and blaming them for those issues.

Soooo... you can talk about racism against black people as long as you don't mention how white people are involved in it maybe?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Two stories I've seen recently on bills republicans are trying to pass.

In Florida, a bill to protect 'ideological freedom', would require surveys of the political viewpoints of faculty and students.

Additionally, the legislation would permit students to secretly record professors for the purpose of reporting them, should they be under the impression their right to free speech is being violated.

Yea, like that is not intended to lead to pressuring schools to teach the 'correct' viewpoints, or at least not teach criticism of them.

To be clear, this bill passed the Legislature and awaits a signature to become law!

Protect from cancel culture, by cancelling the teachers.

Doing annual surveys on the political beliefs of staff and students? That is insane.

Well, it looks like you don't have many that believe in creationism, the viability of the flat tax, and way too few of your teachers don't think the Civil War was about more than just slavery. We'll need to meddle here to fix this problem.

 

[Elixir]

Well, it looks like you don't have many that believe in creationism, the viability of the flat tax, and way too few of your teachers don't think the Civil War was about more than just slavery. We'll need to meddle here to fix this problem.

They're "fixing" it all right.

Arkansas House approves bill allowing educators to teach creationism in K-12 public schools

Now that the Racist Right has reduce the United States to the largest third world country on the planet, the GQP is trying to make sure it holds that position for decades into the future.

Rep. Mary Bentley is the sponsor of the bill. She said she thinks HB1701 will spark meaningful discussion in the classroom.

"There are great scientists that have different views. We should be able to embrace that and discuss it. I think children learn from debate," Rep. Bentley said.

The bill itself does not define creationism, but according to the Lexico/Oxford definition, creationism is "the belief that the universe and living organisms originate from specific acts of divine creation, as in the biblical account, rather than by natural processes such as evolution."

...and thus begins another epic descent into institutionalized ignorance and superstition.
This Country has completely lost its way, and now truly sucks.

 

[Politesse]

I woould readily resign my position rather than take a political loyalty test like that.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I woould readily resign my position rather than take a political loyalty test like that.

Not a loyalty test, but a partisan test. Because if 66% of profs were Democrats, that means when they teach Organic Chemistry, they are indoctrinating their students with socialism.

 

[Trausti]

https://turnto10.com/news/local/bill-would-prohibit-teaching-of-divisive-concepts-in-rhode-island

The bill calls for an outright ban on so-called divisive concepts, defined as anything that implies the state or country is fundamentally racist or sexist or blames a specific race for a societal issue.

Why would anyone oppose this?

 

[Jarhyn]

I woould readily resign my position rather than take a political loyalty test like that.

I wouldn't. Rather, I would fight, and win against, the law. It's not constitutional and they know it.

 

[scombrid]

https://turnto10.com/news/local/bill-would-prohibit-teaching-of-divisive-concepts-in-rhode-island

The bill calls for an outright ban on so-called divisive concepts, defined as anything that implies the state or country is fundamentally racist or sexist or blames a specific race for a societal issue.

Why would anyone oppose this?

How would you teach about the Jim Crow south and redlining in the north?

 

[fromderinside]

Why did Johnny call his teacher a ni....?

 

[Trausti]

https://turnto10.com/news/local/bill-would-prohibit-teaching-of-divisive-concepts-in-rhode-island

The bill calls for an outright ban on so-called divisive concepts, defined as anything that implies the state or country is fundamentally racist or sexist or blames a specific race for a societal issue.

Why would anyone oppose this?

How would you teach about the Jim Crow south and redlining in the north?

Without blaming a specific race. Did you miss the 20th Century?

 

[Politesse]

How would you teach about the Jim Crow south and redlining in the north?

Without blaming a specific race. Did you miss the 20th Century?

Apparently you did. What exactly do you think redlining is? Your ancestors were not as ashamed of their racism as you are, they built it right into the law. And you cannot teach US history accurately without discussing it.

 

[Trausti]

How would you teach about the Jim Crow south and redlining in the north?

Without blaming a specific race. Did you miss the 20th Century?

Apparently you did. What exactly do you think redlining is? Your ancestors were not as ashamed of their racism as you are, they built it right into the law. And you cannot teach US history accurately without discussing it.

Blame the actors not the race. You think children should be taught to be ashamed of themselves because of their skin color?

 

[Politesse]

Apparently you did. What exactly do you think redlining is? Your ancestors were not as ashamed of their racism as you are, they built it right into the law. And you cannot teach US history accurately without discussing it.

Blame the actors not the race. You think children should be taught to be ashamed of themselves because of their skin color? Just admit it.

Of course not. But history should be taught as it happened, not as a propagandized mess reformulated to excuse the actions and motivations of the powerful. Redlining is the formalization of a desire to create all-white neighborhoods. It is not and never was anything else. You cannot accurately describe the practice as anything other than a white segregationist social project. If you try to obscure the racial goals and purposes of the politicians of the past, you aren't teaching history. you must talk about race, because they talked about race. A lot.

 

[Trausti]

Apparently you did. What exactly do you think redlining is? Your ancestors were not as ashamed of their racism as you are, they built it right into the law. And you cannot teach US history accurately without discussing it.

Blame the actors not the race. You think children should be taught to be ashamed of themselves because of their skin color? Just admit it.

Of course not. But history should be taught as it happened, not as a propagandized mess reformulated to excuse the actions and motivations of the powerful. Redlining is the formalization of a desire to create all-white neighborhoods. It is not and never was anything else. You cannot accurately describe the practice as anything other than a white sergregationist social project.

I don't disagree. But you can do that without blaming a specific race. Did not White people fight to change discriminatory laws? I simply reject absolutely the neoracism of the left that seeks to judge people based on their race.

 

[laughing dog]

How would you teach about the Jim Crow south and redlining in the north?

Without blaming a specific race. Did you miss the 20th Century?

Apparently you did, because there are people who think pointing out that many of founding fathers owned slaves is somehow blaming the white race.

 

[Politesse]

Of course not. But history should be taught as it happened, not as a propagandized mess reformulated to excuse the actions and motivations of the powerful. Redlining is the formalization of a desire to create all-white neighborhoods. It is not and never was anything else. You cannot accurately describe the practice as anything other than a white sergregationist social project.

I don't disagree. But you can do that without blaming a specific race.

How? It was about creating all-white neighborhoods. Explicitly. In the law. You can't explain this without mentioning race, or the role of the white middle class in supporting it. It did. That's just facts. Quotes. Recorded history. If you pretend they had any other goal, you're going to have to ignore pretty much every primary document involved.

 

[Trausti]

Of course not. But history should be taught as it happened, not as a propagandized mess reformulated to excuse the actions and motivations of the powerful. Redlining is the formalization of a desire to create all-white neighborhoods. It is not and never was anything else. You cannot accurately describe the practice as anything other than a white sergregationist social project.

I don't disagree. But you can do that without blaming a specific race.

How? It was about creating all-white neighborhoods. Explicitly. In the law. You can't explain this without mentioning race, or the role of the white middle class in supporting redlining.

You don't have to blame all White people for that! Do not teach children to harbor racial animus. Please!

 

[laughing dog]

How? It was about creating all-white neighborhoods. Explicitly. In the law. You can't explain this without mentioning race, or the role of the white middle class in supporting redlining.

You don't have to blame all White people for that!

So, as long as no one sayss 'It is the fault of all _____ (fill in the race) people", you think no one is going to claim different?

 

[Politesse]

How? It was about creating all-white neighborhoods. Explicitly. In the law. You can't explain this without mentioning race, or the role of the white middle class in supporting redlining.

You don't have to blame all White people for that! Do not teach children to harbor racial animus. Please!

No one is saying they need "teach children to harbor racial animus". What we are saying is that any law designed to censor history is unconstitutional.

 

[Trausti]

How? It was about creating all-white neighborhoods. Explicitly. In the law. You can't explain this without mentioning race, or the role of the white middle class in supporting redlining.

You don't have to blame all White people for that! Do not teach children to harbor racial animus. Please!

No one is saying they need "teach children to harbor racial animus". What we are saying is that any law designed to censor history is unconstitutional.

This is about Critical Race Theory. That's the whole point of the R.I. proposed law.