GOP War On Voting And Democracy

[southernhybrid]

One of the ironic things about the Republicans in Georgia attempts to make it more difficult to vote absentee, is that until the last election, it was mostly Republicans who chose to vote absentee. The only reason that so many Democrats voted absentee this past year was due to the pandemic. We joke in Georgia that everyone can tell if you're a Democrat or a Republican by whether or not you wear a mask. There's a lot of truth to that. It's almost always Republicans who don't take COVID seriously, and who act as if we aren't in the middle of a pandemic, while most Democrats wear masks when out in the store etc.

 

[TomC]

I have seen MAGAts say HR1 would enshrine Democratic vote theft into law.

An AZ lawmaker has introduced legislation to allow the state legislature to overturn the results of an election.
Guess the party! Guess the party!

Saw that on All In with Chris Hayes, then googled it, and it's no exaggeration at all. This is the GOP, the bulk of the party, grimly determined to not just rule as a minority but to undo the election process entirely. An Arizona Dem, commenting on the proposed bill, said that it didn't go far enough -- why didn't the GOP caucus just go ahead and propose having no vote for President at all? The only good Republican is an ex-Republican.

Yet another good reason for democratizing the system for President.
https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/
Tom

 

[Worldtraveller]

Please explain how massive fraud was committed using mail-in ballots. Fraudulent ballots that weren't caught in the audit.

RVonse cannot explain that (Are you serious?).
But in case you didn't know. here's how:

1) State publicly that massive fraud will be occurring with mail-in ballots, using the biggest bully pulpit in the country.
2) Repeat the above ad nauseum for about two years before the election.
3) Once the election is in process, keep saying "people are saying they see massive fraud".
4) On the evening of Election Day, declare that you won.
5) File 50-70 frivolous lawsuits (none actually claiming fraud) and point to the existence of lawsuits as proof of mail in ballot fraud. (none of your stoopids are going to read court transcripts)​

5b) Keep repeating that you won, and if people don't believe you, say it was "in a landslide".​

6) Keep holding rallies and urging people to stand up and fight 'for their Country', alleging that the election was stolen
...and finally, when all else fails
7) Call a "big, wild" rally on the date of certification of the election see if you can get a few thousand of your stupidest, most militant followers to forcibly break into the Capitol to stop the certification of the electoral vote count, thereby staging a coup overturning the election results, trashing the building, killing some people and ideally, murdering the VP who was going to certify the vote as well as the opposition leadership.​

Even if that doesn't work, by now all the sound and fury will have convinced most of the Stoopids that mail-in ballot fraud must be a real thing, 'cuz otherwise "how come all the fuss?"

And THAT is how fraud with mail in ballots is committed.

A succinct, if somewhat understated, summary.

 

[ZiprHead]

Please explain how massive fraud was committed using mail-in ballots. Fraudulent ballots that weren't caught in the audit.

RVonse cannot explain that (Are you serious?).
But in case you didn't know. here's how:

1) State publicly that massive fraud will be occurring with mail-in ballots, using the biggest bully pulpit in the country.
2) Repeat the above ad nauseum for about two years before the election.
3) Once the election is in process, keep saying "people are saying they see massive fraud".
4) On the evening of Election Day, declare that you won.
5) File 50-70 frivolous lawsuits (none actually claiming fraud) and point to the existence of lawsuits as proof of mail in ballot fraud. (none of your stoopids are going to read court transcripts)​

5b) Keep repeating that you won, and if people don't believe you, say it was "in a landslide".​

6) Keep holding rallies and urging people to stand up and fight 'for their Country', alleging that the election was stolen
...and finally, when all else fails
7) Call a "big, wild" rally on the date of certification of the election see if you can get a few thousand of your stupidest, most militant followers to forcibly break into the Capitol to stop the certification of the electoral vote count, thereby staging a coup overturning the election results, trashing the building, killing some people and ideally, murdering the VP who was going to certify the vote as well as the opposition leadership.​

Even if that doesn't work, by now all the sound and fury will have convinced most of the Stoopids that mail-in ballot fraud must be a real thing, 'cuz otherwise "how come all the fuss?"

And THAT is how fraud with mail in ballots is committed.

A succinct, if somewhat understated, summary.

I notice RVonse hasn't returned to explain how it was done.

Oh, well. I'm sure he'll be back soon enough to drop another right-wing turd in the punch bowl.

 

[hyzer]

And what does Bezos have to do with the evil GOP rat fuckery to steal elections by suppressing Democratic voters? Bezos sucks also. And that most certainly does not excuse the unpatriotic GOP.

I think the point is that no one is more anti-Trump than Bezos. Yet even Bezos knows that mail-in votes are extremely fraudulent. Which should tell you that the Republicans (and Trump) were (and still are) correct about all the fraud that can happen with mail-in voting.

Their bill is not to disenfranchise any voters so much as to prevent voting fraud in the future.

Then you are the one I need to ask a specific question.

I live in Georgia, one of the states that Trump and company said where massive voter fraud occurred with the mail-in ballots. I voted by mail. I had to fill out an application for the ballot. I had to sign the application. When the election board received my application for the vote by mail ballot they checked the voter registration database to see if #1 if I was registered to vote, #2 if I still lived in the same address that I voted from before, and #3 they compared my signature that I signed the voter roll before, and if all of these matched I was sent a ballot.

If #1 didn't check and voter registration was still open I was told to register to vote and to re-submit an application. If #2 was correct I was told to file a change of address form to make sure that I received the correct ballot. If number #3 was in question I could either go to the county courthouse to prove who I am who I say that I am by producing one or more of a list of documents, a driver's license, voter ID card, passport, a lease, a utility bill, etc.

When I got my absentee ballot I fill it out and signed it and I also signed the envelope. When the county received the ballot they scanned the registration bar code on the outside of the envelope that identified it was sent to me and allowed them to check once again my signature. If they confirmed my signature then the ballot was accepted to be counted on election day. If the signature doesn't match the same options are given to me as in #3 above or voting in person.

When the questions came up about massive voter fraud in the majority-black countries, the secretary of state audited the vote in all of the counties, not just the majority-black counties, much to his credit. This meant that the signature verification was repeated using the signature on the absentee ballot or the poll book signature in the case of in-person voting to confirm the paper copy of those votes.

You seem to know much more about how voter fraud is committed. I don't understand how to commit voter fraud with these checks in place. Please explain how massive fraud was committed using mail-in ballots. Fraudulent ballots that weren't caught in the audit.

I also have to point out that the reason that the GOP started this lie about massive voter fraud was to disenfranchise millions of voters including me. If you believe that it isn't a lie, prove it by explaining how massive fraud was done that bypassed the checks that were in place.

Excellent post. I voted by mail in Maryland in 2020, essentially the same checks and balances. BTW, my parents (father career Navy) voted by mail his entire 30 year career, as did my Mom. Military, State Department, and others have always had this option no matter what state they were voting in.

 

[Elixir]

A succinct, if somewhat understated, summary.

I notice RVonse hasn't returned to explain how it was done.

Oh, well. I'm sure he'll be back soon enough to drop another right-wing turd in the punch bowl.

The transparency of right wingers' state of intellectual bankruptcy is astonishing.
How they can keep up their thin pretense to rationality mystifies me.