Has there ever been an administration that created as much mistrust with Russia?

[barbos]

Yes, really, budget is being cut for 2016

Only because they suddenly realized that "hey, we can't actually afford the military buildup we so desperately want so we can pretend we scare the world with it."; Putin had to be told repeatedly by his people that it wasn't feasible.

Now you contradict your own claims.

 

[barbos]

Now the latest news from Ukrainian "government". Svoboda is suspected in snipers shooting these people.
Apparently there is a BBC video and they traced hotel room to Svoboda. So much for bloody tyrant Yanukovich.
Yes, Svoboda was financed by US and Victoria Nuland liked them very much.

 

[Will Wiley]

Has there ever been as US administration that created so much mistrust with Russia as is there is today?
(apologies to all the elephants in the room)

Previous administrations have worked to create trust, or at least respect that...but....

All of them from 1940's to 1990's. What a ridiculous question.

"Cold War"

Look it up.

Isn't your a ridiculous answer? Inasmuch as you didn't make any argument at all or provide any evidence.
In the cold war administrations were a lot more cautious unlike this reckless one

 

[Will Wiley]

Has there ever been as US administration that created so much mistrust with Russia as is there is today?
(apologies to all the elephants in the room)

Previous administrations have worked to create trust, or at least respect that...but....

Well, there was that time a U-2 plane went missing over the Soviet Union and NASA announced a weather research plane had reported oxygen problems. It was reported the pilot passed out and the plane wandered into Soviet territory before crashing. A U-2 with NASA insignia was displayed to the press and it was announce that all U-2 were grounded until the oxygen problem was resolved.

The Soviets then announced the pilot had survived the crash, and they had recovered the plane's cameras, with photos of Soviet military installations on the film.

What exactly would be different if the Soviets, which is to say Putin, trusted us completely? He can't be trusted, so what's the big deal if he doesn't trust us?

The big deal is nuclear weapons. America has shown that it will launch pre emptive strikes on the basis of lies. Russia knows that they can't trust America. Russia must be wondering if the neo cons would launch a pre-emptive nuclear strike on them. So the crazies in Russia must have considered doing it first

 

[Bacillus anthracis]

Has there ever been an administration that created as much mistrust with Russia?

You have heard of the Cold War?

Right???

I keep waiting for the OP to say something that makes sense--like there's a delayed punchline coming or something.

More antagonistic than Obama? The list of who has not been more antagonistic than Obama? I'd say it's about zero. Even Carter, always derided for being a big pussy, which he really wasn't, approved all the weapons systems and strategy Reagan got credit for. And Reagan? The Soviets were convinced that old fart was one of Nancy's psychic readings away from pushing the button.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Has there ever been as US administration that created so much mistrust with Russia as is there is today?
(apologies to all the elephants in the room)

Previous administrations have worked to create trust, or at least respect that...but....

Um....

THIS happened...

In the cold war administrations were a lot more cautious...

You mean like the time Ronald Reagan responded to the death of Larry McDonald by authorizing the Able Archer 83 military exercises, thereby almost accidentally starting a nuclear war with the Soviet Union?

Yeah. That was a pretty cautious move by the Gipper.

 

[Will Wiley]

Um....

THIS happened...

In the cold war administrations were a lot more cautious...

You mean like the time Ronald Reagan responded to the death of Larry McDonald by authorizing the Able Archer 83 military exercises, thereby almost accidentally starting a nuclear war with the Soviet Union?

Yes that is very serious I don't disagree.As for the Cuban crisis, Cuba is right on America's borders, so it can't be compared exactly. The US now is now antagonising Russia on or near Russia's borders.

Kennedy and Khrushchev realised after Cuba has close they came to a nuclear confrontation. Other administrations have done various things, but whatever happened that fear was always not far away.
That caution is entirely absent now. Entirely!

Obama was the best chance at dialogue, what is coming will be worse

 

[Will Wiley]

Has there ever been an administration that created as much mistrust with Russia?

You have heard of the Cold War?

Right???

I keep waiting for the OP to say something that makes sense--like there's a delayed punchline coming or something.

More antagonistic than Obama? The list of who has not been more antagonistic than Obama? I'd say it's about zero.

Wow...I'm amazed at that remark.
this present administration (which is not just Obama) has created a very dangerous situation where there was relative calm just a short time ago.....but that does,t worry you at all. In fact you imagine this administration which has created so much tension out of a relatively tension less environment, are better than any of them
That is insane

 

[Will Wiley]

Guess what tends to raise oil prices? Wars in Middle East. Maybe that's Putin's goal.

The oil prices can't be in the crapper forever. All it takes is for Saudis to limit production again and the prices will go back to normal.

Can't you imagine Putin wanting to get the ear of the Saudis?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Even Carter, always derided for being a big pussy, which he really wasn't, approved all the weapons systems and strategy Reagan got credit for. And Reagan? The Soviets were convinced that old fart was one of Nancy's psychic readings away from pushing the button.

Hey, when Ronnie referred to the 'evil empire' it could have been anyone. Russia, Cuba, Angola... Hell, he did a lot of Westerns, he might have been talking about the Apaches.

 

[Keith&Co.]

The big deal is nuclear weapons.

I would agree. 'This administration' has about a fifth of what we had during the Cuban Missile Crisis. The 60's and 70's saw some impressive increases, but they've been declining since. 'This administration' is overseeing some updates on the subs to install ballast cans permanently in missile launch tubes, too. I can see how welding the tubes shut has Russia terribly concerned about aggression.

 

[Malintent]

All of them from 1940's to 1990's. What a ridiculous question.

"Cold War"

Look it up.

Isn't your a ridiculous answer? Inasmuch as you didn't make any argument at all or provide any evidence.
In the cold war administrations were a lot more cautious unlike this reckless one

So you would like to change your statement from "creating mistrust" to "being less cautious". OK. When you are done backpedaling let me know so I can locate your shifted goalposts.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Ever hear of MAD

 Mutual assured destruction

It was a thing and a driving force during the cold war.

I think we to think that somehow today is different form all the other days that came before, that we are now living something original and new.

We have better gadgets. But the game stays the same.

There really is nothing new under the sun.

 

[dystopian]

Only because they suddenly realized that "hey, we can't actually afford the military buildup we so desperately want so we can pretend we scare the world with it."; Putin had to be told repeatedly by his people that it wasn't feasible.

Now you contradict your own claims.

No, not really. Russia *did* embark on ambitious military programs, and tried desperately to push through with them despite their economy crumbling. That sort of behavior is never a good sign, as was the original point. The fact that economic reality ultimately does get in the way of their ambitions doesn't mean the underlying problem somehow magically vanishes.

Lets say you have a neighbor with a history of psychosis and violence; and last week he bought himself a bunch of guns and promised to buy many more. Just because he ends up having to give up his plans of owning a thousand different guns because he'd end up in unsustainable debt... doesn't mean you shouldn't be real fucking wary of the psychotic bastard.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

How about some sources for these claims.

Can't use google?
https://www.google.ru/search?q=Hague+Saakashvili

What's that prove beyond the fact that you're Russian?

 

[Arctish]

Has there ever been as US administration that created so much mistrust with Russia as is there is today?

Does Truman saying "We're going to drop it on you." qualify?

Props to everyone who remembers Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and every President during the Cold War threatening Russia, building the DEW Line and missile launch sites, sending U2s into Russian air space, launching spy satellites and boomers, etc. But if you want to talk about a President who created the most mistrust between the Russians and the US, I nominate Wilson. He actually sent thousands of US Army troops into Siberia to help the Czar defeat the Red Army. We may have forgotten the American Expeditionary Force Siberia and the Polar Bear Expedition, but the Russians sure haven't, and they haven't trusted us since the day our troops landed on their soil.

 

[Jayjay]

Does Truman saying "We're going to drop it on you." qualify?

Props to everyone who remembers Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and every President during the Cold War threatening Russia, building the DEW Line and missile launch sites, sending U2s into Russian air space, launching spy satellites and boomers, etc. But if you want to talk about a President who created the most mistrust between the Russians and the US, I nominate Wilson. He actually sent thousands of US Army troops into Siberia to help the Czar defeat the Red Army. We may have forgotten the American Expeditionary Force Siberia and the Polar Bear Expedition, but the Russians sure haven't, and they haven't trusted us since the day our troops landed on their soil.

So the US sent troops to help its ally defeat an illegal rebellion? Isn't that exactly what Russia is doing now with Syria?

 

[Arctish]

Props to everyone who remembers Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and every President during the Cold War threatening Russia, building the DEW Line and missile launch sites, sending U2s into Russian air space, launching spy satellites and boomers, etc. But if you want to talk about a President who created the most mistrust between the Russians and the US, I nominate Wilson. He actually sent thousands of US Army troops into Siberia to help the Czar defeat the Red Army. We may have forgotten the American Expeditionary Force Siberia and the Polar Bear Expedition, but the Russians sure haven't, and they haven't trusted us since the day our troops landed on their soil.

So the US sent troops to help its ally defeat an illegal rebellion? Isn't that exactly what Russia is doing now with Syria?

Perhaps.

But the point is, the US sowed distrust in the minds of the eventual winners of the Russian Revolution right at the outset. So when Will Wiley asks "Has there ever been as US administration that created so much mistrust with Russia as is there is today?" the answer is yes, and the Wilson Administration was one of them.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Um....

THIS happened...

You mean like the time Ronald Reagan responded to the death of Larry McDonald by authorizing the Able Archer 83 military exercises, thereby almost accidentally starting a nuclear war with the Soviet Union?

Yes that is very serious I don't disagree.As for the Cuban crisis, Cuba is right on America's borders...

... and the Cuban Missile Crisis was precipitated by the positioning of preemptive nuclear weapons along the RUSSIAN border; that was, in fact, the entire reason why Russia stationed those missiles in Cuba in the first place, as a countermove against America's growing first-strike capability.

You may also recall that the resolution of the Crisis came when JFK quietly agreed to withdraw the forward-deployed strategic bombers and missiles from Western Europe, upon realizing that land-based ICBMs and submarine-launched missiles would still give the U.S. an effective (it eventually turned out, MORE effective) nuclear deterrent.

Which doesn't change the fact that JFK's initial response was effectively "Fuck you, Cuba, and fuck you Russia!" along with Adlai Stevenson's famous "Don't want for the translation! Answer me!" at the U.N.

The US now is now antagonising Russia on or near Russia's borders.

And Russia is doing absolutely nothing about it. So you're right, the situations aren't comparable; in the 1960s, Russia considered the U.S. to be an existential threat and a major military power that was spoling for a fight. In the 21st century, Russia considers the U.S. to be an overstretched and under-coordinated lumbering husk, a shell of its former self, an empire in decline that loudly proclaims its past glory while quietly accepting its growing irrelevance on the world stage.

That caution is entirely absent now. Entirely!

That's because there's no longer NEED for caution. The United States is no longer Russia's sworn enemy, despite what Republican politicians seem to think. We are not on a hair trigger "War could break out at any moment!" condition; Russia no longer believes the United States poses them a serious threat and ditto for the United States.

Obama might as well be extra cautious not to piss off Japan, lest they decide to bomb Pearl Harbor a second time.

 

[Will Wiley]

Does Truman saying "We're going to drop it on you." qualify?

Props to everyone who remembers Truman, Eisenhower, Kennedy, and every President during the Cold War threatening Russia, building the DEW Line and missile launch sites, sending U2s into Russian air space, launching spy satellites and boomers, etc. But if you want to talk about a President who created the most mistrust between the Russians and the US, I nominate Wilson. He actually sent thousands of US Army troops into Siberia to help the Czar defeat the Red Army. We may have forgotten the American Expeditionary Force Siberia and the Polar Bear Expedition, but the Russians sure haven't, and they haven't trusted us since the day our troops landed on their soil.

Yes you are right. I should have said "since Kennedy" perhaps