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HBO to make film of Scientology book, hires 160 lawyers
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/11/25/showbiz/movies/going-clear-hbo-movie-lawyers/index.html

(CNN) -- HBO is backing a documentary based on "Going Clear," a book about Scientology and Hollywood -- and isn't taking any chances with the legal side of things.

"We have probably 160 lawyers" looking at the film, HBO Documentary Films President Sheila Nevins told The Hollywood Reporter.

"Going Clear," by Pulitzer Prize-winning writer Lawrence Wright ("The Looming Tower"), digs into the life of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard and the influence his church has had on its believers, many of whom have close ties to Hollywood.
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Some of Wright's findings, including claims of abuse, didn't go over well with the church.

"The stories of alleged physical abuse are lies concocted by a small group of self-corroborating confessed liars. The hard evidence clearly shows that no such conduct ever occurred and that in fact there is evidence that shows it did NOT occur," the group's spokeswoman, Karin Pouw, told CNN's Miguel Marquez in 2013.

Author of Scientology book: 'There have been a lot of tears in this story'
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The problem with Stupidology is that it IS abusive and nasty and bizarre. It has long been so, and everybody knows it. Its antics now make for good exposes, books and TV. Jumping up and down and squealing when another expose comes along is expected now, and its part of the fun, it has high entertainment value. And their drooly denials don't work, nobody believes them much. This is a cult that has twice now, in two notable lawsuits, argued that its fair game policies are protected religious speech under the first amendment. Ooooo, what a dead giveaway!
 
How many lawyers can dance on the pin of a needle? Evidently about 160...
 
I've heard that the BBC is also rapping up their full length documentary about $cientology, which should be out in early 2015.
 
Is it going to begin with the scene in the hotel room with the sf writers and Ron Hubbard betting that he could start a quackery or a religion and make a million dollars?

Eldarion Lathria
 
They could start it at L. Ron at four years old being made a Blackfoot blood brother by a medicine man.

Showing a thorough debunking of this claim alone would set an appropriate tone for just how much of a lying narcissist Hubbard was.
 
IT has been debunked. The Blackfoot tribe does not do blood brother type ceremonies etc. The same sources from Stupidology that make this claim also make the ludicrous claim that Elron was busting broncos on his fathers ranch at age 3! This claim was found in the Scientology Handbook, a large tabletop sized book that Scientology peddled for years. Complete with ludicrous amateurish paintings of the heroic Elron.
 
hylidae said:
Good. I hope they do a good job of accuracy and not sensationalism.
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What makes you think it would be accurate. Does it matter? As the Time Warner suit shows if something is written inaccurately it doesn't matter unless the plaintiff can prove malice as intent.

However here is a special treat for you that of course is not being made public.

By the way it was me who found this research and handed it to this website a few years ago. I am not responsible for the discoveries. Someone else did that , though I did plan at one time to do some research.
http://scientologymyths.com/hubbardww2.htm
L. Ron Hubbard, the Navy & World War II: Revisited
by Margaret Lake


Wiki of course has not mentioned this yet. Maybe this will continue to be edited in and out

In 2011, author Lawrence Wright attempted to address the issues. Writing for "New Yorker" magazine, [4] Wright and his fact-checkers focused primarily on the dueling "Notice of Separation" documents: one from the Navy, and the other from the Church. They both differed in important ways, per Wright, yet both purported to be an accurate summary of Hubbard's Navy service record. Wright examined the Church version critically (which implied Hubbard may have been injured in combat), but examined the Navy version less so (which made no reference to injury or combat). Wright then expanded on his research in his 2013 Scientology book "Going Clear". [5] END OF QUOTE
I won't quote it all but the military records that started being located validated Hubbard side of things.
COMBAT. Did Hubbard see combat at any time during World War II?
New documentation has been discovered which shows that Hubbard was in fact sent into a combat zone while in the South Pacific. This section discusses the new documentation and related findings END OF QUOTE

CONCLUSIONS
Hubbard's Navy service record (as today supplied by the National Personnel Records Center [NPRC] of the the National Archives) is demonstrably incomplete, and in certain cases also provides false and inaccurate information with regard to Hubbard's actual activities during World War II. This is especially true for the South Pacific period, during which he was a Naval intelligence officer and also attached to the US Army. In all likelihood, most of these incomplete and inaccurate records are due to administrative oversight and error. There may have also been intelligence-related activites which affected certain documents. And some records may have been lost in the 1973 NPRC fire of Army personnel records.
If one relies solely on Hubbard's service record from the NPRC to understand Hubbard's military career in the Navy (as most earlier Hubbard researchers and biographers appear to have done), one will be left with an inaccurate and incomplete picture of Hubbard's World War II years. One must look into the military, travel and other records of the National Archives (as well as other reliable sources) in order to get a more complete and accurate picture of Hubbard's Navy service. This is especially true as it pertains to accurately answering the questions surrounding the South Pacific period, i.e. the truth behind whether Hubbard was flown home in the Spring of 1942, whether he was injured, and whether he saw combat.
When more extensive research was conducted into these areas, it was found that Hubbard was in fact flown home from the South Pacific (as he had claimed), did in fact sustain injuries while in the South Pacific (including being "blinded" by something which physically damaged his eyes), and was sent into an area where he may have seen combat. The injuries, combined with a later duodenal ulcer, left Hubbard in a debilitated condition after the war. As a result, the Veteran's Administration considered him 40% disabled, after World War II, after conducting physical exams and tests. END OF QUOTE

Why couldn’t this Pulitzer willing Author Lawrence Wright discover the other records? Perhaps he just cribbed off the other sources. My view is he had the story prepared before he did his so called research or he did some pretty sloppy research.
 
Eldarion Lathria said:
Is it going to begin with the scene in the hotel room with the sf writers and Ron Hubbard betting that he could start a quackery or a religion and make a million dollars?

Eldarion Lathria
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I just thought I would liven things up a bit The only evidence of Hubbard actually saying such a thing is during an interveiw in 1986 with the Rocky Times. This a small paper when he advised he was quoting HG Wells at the Writer's Club. Of course in the film it can be the hotel room a bar or place of ill repute as long as it provides entertainment.
 
That's pretty weak. Do you realize that overall Hubbard's stories still do not match the evidence?

How about all the "millions" of children that the cult supposedly helped learn to read in South Africa?

How about the claims of OT abilities?

How about the Blackfoot "blood brother" lie?

And on and on and on...

It's as if you have no problem with a mountain of lies right in front of you, but you choose to quibble over some minor detail that doesn't change the overall picture of lying one bit.

Break away, WP. You don't need an organization to be free. You don't need to follow policy or agree with Hubbard to be free. You don't need anyone to handle you or oversee your progress or tell you what is true or threaten you with ethics actions to be free. :)
 
hylidae said:
That's pretty weak. Do you realize that overall Hubbard's stories still do not match the evidence?

How about all the "millions" of children that the cult supposedly helped learn to read in South Africa?

How about the claims of OT abilities?

How about the Blackfoot "blood brother" lie?

And on and on and on...

It's as if you have no problem with a mountain of lies right in front of you, but you choose to quibble over some minor detail that doesn't change the overall picture of lying one bit.

Break away, WP. You don't need an organization to be free. You don't need to follow policy or agree with Hubbard to be free. You don't need anyone to handle you or oversee your progress or tell you what is true or threaten you with ethics actions to be free. :)
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The fact that you ar branching off that issue indicates you see there is something in the evidence presented
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whichphilosophy said:
Did Hubbard see combat at any time during World War II?
New documentation has been discovered which shows that Hubbard was in fact sent into a combat zone while in the South Pacific.
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Um...does time in a combat ZONE conclusively show that the individual saw COMBAT?
 
Keith&Co. said:
whichphilosophy said:
Did Hubbard see combat at any time during World War II?
New documentation has been discovered which shows that Hubbard was in fact sent into a combat zone while in the South Pacific.
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Um...does time in a combat ZONE conclusively show that the individual saw COMBAT?
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There's very little, if not nothing, there to support Hubbard's grandiose lies, and Whichphilosophy knows this. If you stick around any scientology thread, you'll notice the robotic and predictable nature of WP's responses.

He can't help it. He's programmed to defend the criminal cult of scientology. He can't not defend it or else he might lose his eternity as a disembodied OT with superpowerz.
 
Hubbard was posted to the Philippines but never made it there as the Japanese overran the Philippines and Hubbard instead ended up in Australia. He commanded PC 813 for 90 days off the West coast. He never saw combat. Records show Hubbard's "injuries"were arthritis, and ulcers,for which he received a small amount of money from the VA, no other wounds as he claimed later. Hubbard claimed to have been wounded by Japanese machine gun fire, damaged eyes from an artillary shell explosion, and to have earned 21 mefals, some of which did not exist.
 
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