Henrietta Lacks’s family reaches settlement in extracted cell lawsuit

[Politesse]

I find it wrong because why should her case be any different than all the others from back then? The proliferation of her cells wasn't known at the time.

Yes, the conduct was wrong--but it was the accepted norm. When the norm is wrong you change it, you don't punish those who followed it in the past.

No one is being punished, so what are you going on about?

Being made to pay money isn't punishment??

I know. It's a disgrace. I got a cup of coffee this morning, and the vendor punished me for drinking it by making me pay for it.

I used to worry about stuff like that too, but it turns out if you don't like a bill you can just burn it and leave town.

 

[Emily Lake]

Why don’t you find me credible enough to click on my links?

Because you consistently argue by mischaracterization. You make up things, attributing them to people you disagree with, and argue against that.
While ignoring what they actually post.

That's most of it.
Tom

Well that's a silly argument for why you won't read articles in well regarded publications.

 

[laughing dog]

Why don’t you find me credible enough to click on my links?

Because you consistently argue by mischaracterization. You make up things, attributing them to people you disagree with, and argue against that.
While ignoring what they actually post.

That's most of it.
Tom

Well that's a silly argument for why you won't read articles in well regarded publications.

Not only silly but deeply ironic.

 

[TomC]

Well that's a silly argument for why you won't read articles in well regarded publications.

Sorry I was unclear.
I was explaining why I don't find her credible.

As for clicking links, I don't click on the overwhelming majority of links posted. I doubt that I click on 1 in 500. Probably less. There's lots of posters I barely skim, if that. I certainly don't click on their links.
Tom

 

[laughing dog]

Well that's a silly argument for why you won't read articles in well regarded publications.

Sorry I was unclear.
I was explaining why I don't find her credible.

As for clicking links, I don't click on the overwhelming majority of links posted. I doubt that I click on 1 in 500. Probably less. There's lots of posters I barely skim, if that. I certainly don't click on their links.
Tom

Ignorance is easier for you.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

A similar story (gifted), no pay out though.

 

[ZiprHead]

A similar story (gifted), no pay out though.

Thanks for posting that. It was interesting.

 

[Emily Lake]

Well that's a silly argument for why you won't read articles in well regarded publications.

Sorry I was unclear.
I was explaining why I don't find her credible.

As for clicking links, I don't click on the overwhelming majority of links posted. I doubt that I click on 1 in 500. Probably less. There's lots of posters I barely skim, if that. I certainly don't click on their links.
Tom

From here on, when you disagree with a well-supported argument that I make, I will just assume you're too lazy to check my premise, and you're rejecting it entirely on the basis of "I don't like you so I don't believe anything you say".

I get not clicking on a lot of links, sure. But when you're opposing someone's view and you're telling them that they're wrong, and then you decide you just can't be assed to read supporting evidence that is from a reasonable source... Then your opposition is baseless and essentially a knee-jerk expression of your personal biases.

 

[TomC]

From here on, when you disagree with a well-supported argument that I make, I will just assume you're too lazy to check my premise,

I was referring, quite specifically, to Toni.
Feel free to check my well supported argument on that.

Or don't. Suit yourself

 

[Gospel]

You're referring to a hole in the ground when you say 'well,' correct?

 

[Toni]

From here on, when you disagree with a well-supported argument that I make, I will just assume you're too lazy to check my premise,

I was referring, quite specifically, to Toni.
Feel free to check my well supported argument on that.

Or don't. Suit yourself

I genuinely don’t know what you are referring to with respect to any rational argument you have for refusing to click on a link to an article supporting my positions. AFAIK, I haven’t posted links to bad sites or anything that would contain malware, etc.

I’m not sure what offends you so much.

 

[ZiprHead]

From here on, when you disagree with a well-supported argument that I make, I will just assume you're too lazy to check my premise,

I was referring, quite specifically, to Toni.
Feel free to check my well supported argument on that.

Or don't. Suit yourself

I genuinely don’t know what you are referring to with respect to any rational argument you have for refusing to click on a link to an article supporting my positions. AFAIK, I haven’t posted links to bad sites or anything that would contain malware, etc.

I’m not sure what offends you so much.

Maybe he's just a typical conservative and he doesn't want his mind changed with facts.

 

[laughing dog]

I was referring, quite specifically, to Toni.
Feel free to check my well supported argument on that.

It is not possible to check something that does not exist.

 

[Toni]

A similar story (gifted), no pay out though.

I read that earlier today. It's really tragic, on so many levels. I'm not certain how pertinent it is to this particular issue re: the HeLa cells and their origins and the controversy over whether or not her descendants deserve any compensation for having their rights to privacy violated.

It is on point with the horrific fact that certain peoples were treated as less than people, as one would an animal, suitable for exhibit (something many people no longer support), with no agency of their own. Worse, there are some people who see nothing wrong with that because 'that's how things were' back then and we should just forget about it. Which is definitely easier if you are white, especially male, living in the US. White men have not typically been used as zoo exhibits. While it is true that donations from medical students were used to determine normal values for a host of measures, the key word would be donation, implying knowledge that their samples were donated and why they were donated and in fact, the medical students willingly donated their samples for posterity or at least to further medical science.

I think that today, we are finding that we are more and more asked to look beyond our own comfortable (or not) or at least familiar perspective of How the World Is to How the World Is For People Not Like Me. Honestly, I've lived most of my life in areas where there are relatively few people who are not mostly like me: white and of European descent, middle class, similar educational level, which ever state or area I've lived in. It's an echo chamber that we don't always realize we're in. For people like me, it's been mostly reflected back to us in most of the media, and many of the books we study--all written, produced, filmed, distributed by...people who look a lot like us. It can be jarring to see just how many people grew up with different perspectives and who have reached different conclusions about the world, especially since so many now actually have....a voice. And use it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

A similar story (gifted), no pay out though.

I read that earlier today. It's really tragic, on so many levels. I'm not certain how pertinent it is to this particular issue re: the HeLa cells and their origins and the controversy over whether or not her descendants deserve any compensation for having their rights to privacy violated.

It'd be the part about the Smithsonian removing a portion of her brain.

I think that today, we are finding that we are more and more asked to look beyond our own comfortable (or not) or at least familiar perspective of How the World Is to How the World Is For People Not Like Me.

I think since the 1960s, there has been a very slowly expanding sense of self-awareness, from wondering whether rivers should burn, if we can breather the air, to whether African Americans are people too. These days, we have questioned zoos and animal based theme parks. We are even slowly coming around to the issue of stolen antiquities. Those that had no voice are starting to have one, and our awareness shifts as a result. Of course, we also have to drag other people who are clawing their fingers in the dirt to stop from moving forward.

 

[Toni]

A similar story (gifted), no pay out though.

I read that earlier today. It's really tragic, on so many levels. I'm not certain how pertinent it is to this particular issue re: the HeLa cells and their origins and the controversy over whether or not her descendants deserve any compensation for having their rights to privacy violated.

It'd be the part about the Smithsonian removing a portion of her brain.

I think that today, we are finding that we are more and more asked to look beyond our own comfortable (or not) or at least familiar perspective of How the World Is to How the World Is For People Not Like Me.

I think since the 1960s, there has been a very slowly expanding sense of self-awareness, from wondering whether rivers should burn, if we can breather the air, to whether African Americans are people too. These days, we have questioned zoos and animal based theme parks. We are even slowly coming around to the issue of stolen antiquities. Those that had no voice are starting to have one, and our awareness shifts as a result. Of course, we also have to drag other people who are clawing their fingers in the dirt to stop from moving forward.

I got the reason for the comparison.