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Here it Comes - A New Royal Proclamation from the Crown on Immigration

maxparrish said:
untermensche said:
Since when are Kings subject to judicial review?

This is just a sign the Republicans have nothing positive to add to any discussion. It's nothing but inane nonsense like this.
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King Obama has undergone little review and substantive control by our own Parliament, a Royal freedom not seen since before 1689, and the Glorious Revolution. They reaffirmed Parliament's claim to control taxation and legislation, and provided guarantees against the abuses of power which James II and the other Stuart Kings had committed...no 'selective enforcement' and 'unilateral law making' by the Sovereign was tolerated. "The Sovereign was forbidden from suspending or dispensing with laws passed by Parliament, or imposing taxes without Parliamentary consent."

"Parliament tightened control over the King's expenditure; ... as one Member of Parliament said, 'when princes have not needed money they have not needed us'.

http://www.royal.gov.uk/Historyofth...IIandTheActofSettlement/MaryIIWilliamIII.aspx

Perhaps one day our Parliament will have such fine laws and Parliamentary rights.
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OK I just puked from the inanity of this so I can respond.

Nobody except a bunch of crazies gives a shit about this issue.

I say bring in more people. Diversity is a good thing.
 
Well this can't be right.

First Obama was going to use the bank/auto bailouts to take over the economy and institute socialism. Then he was supposed to confiscate all our guns. Then use his army of brown-shirted thugs to round up the malcontents and put them into FEMA camps for re-education.

Not only that, we were supposed to be taken over by his Muslim friends when Obama bowed to the Saudi King.

Well dammit not a single FEMA camp has been filled, people still got their guns (and Bibles) and my 401k is still invested in "stocks" and stuff. So serious question, then:

Is the totally real and not in any way invented plan of King (or Emperor) Obama to grant amnesty to millions of illegals so they can vote in November's election a mere distraction from his other incomplete plots? Or is all that stuff coming once the House and Senate are taken over by Mexicans?
 
Ford said:
Well this can't be right.

First Obama was going to use the bank/auto bailouts to take over the economy and institute socialism. Then he was supposed to confiscate all our guns. Then use his army of brown-shirted thugs to round up the malcontents and put them into FEMA camps for re-education.

Not only that, we were supposed to be taken over by his Muslim friends when Obama bowed to the Saudi King.

Well dammit not a single FEMA camp has been filled, people still got their guns (and Bibles) and my 401k is still invested in "stocks" and stuff. So serious question, then:

Is the totally real and not in any way invented plan of King (or Emperor) Obama to grant amnesty to millions of illegals so they can vote in November's election a mere distraction from his other incomplete plots? Or is all that stuff coming once the House and Senate are taken over by Mexicans?
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Well, the good King has told us we will soon "borrow" power to impose his version of immigration reform. What might that be? Greater border security? (no) Less tolerance for illegals? (no) or some form of legitimization to protect their continued occupation and increase their numbers? (yes).
 
maxparrish said:
Well, the good King has told us we will soon "borrow" power to impose his version of immigration reform. What might that be? Greater border security? (no) Less tolerance for illegals? (no) or some form of legitimization to protect their continued occupation? (yes).
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What exactly is the evil master mind Obama planning?

Letting some poor hard working people stay here?

I'm all for it.
 
maxparrish said:
Ford said:
Well this can't be right.

First Obama was going to use the bank/auto bailouts to take over the economy and institute socialism. Then he was supposed to confiscate all our guns. Then use his army of brown-shirted thugs to round up the malcontents and put them into FEMA camps for re-education.

Not only that, we were supposed to be taken over by his Muslim friends when Obama bowed to the Saudi King.

Well dammit not a single FEMA camp has been filled, people still got their guns (and Bibles) and my 401k is still invested in "stocks" and stuff. So serious question, then:

Is the totally real and not in any way invented plan of King (or Emperor) Obama to grant amnesty to millions of illegals so they can vote in November's election a mere distraction from his other incomplete plots? Or is all that stuff coming once the House and Senate are taken over by Mexicans?
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Well, the good King has told us we will soon "borrow" power to impose his version of immigration reform. What might that be? Greater border security? (no) Less tolerance for illegals? (no) or some form of legitimization to protect their continued occupation and increase their numbers? (yes).
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Well you didn't exactly answer my question, but I will grant you that Obama has completely left the border undefended, tore down the fences and all other security measures, reduced the number of border patrol agents to zero, and stopped all deportations since he took office, so it is pretty obvious he wants more illegal immigration.

And did you see that video he sent to all the Central American countries where he told them "Mexicans aren't enough! Everyone with brown skin and a proclivity for Spanish to come north! It's a free for all here in my Kingdom!"

That's really what he said!

I am a bit worried, though. How do you figure he's going to register all these millions of people to vote in the next few months? And why does a King need voters?
 
Ford said:
I am a bit worried, though. How do you figure he's going to register all these millions of people to vote in the next few months? And why does a King need voters?
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One thing this demonstrates is that right wingers have no ear for humor.

Name one decent comedian that is also a right winger.
 
House Republicans beg "King Obama" to take unilateral action:

There are numerous steps the president can and should be taking right now, without the need for congressional action, to secure our borders and ensure these children are returned swiftly and safely to their countries.
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untermensche said:
Ford said:
I am a bit worried, though. How do you figure he's going to register all these millions of people to vote in the next few months? And why does a King need voters?
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One thing this demonstrates is that right wingers have no ear for humor.

Name one decent comedian that is also a right winger.
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MaxParrish*


* because I can think of no other rational explanation for this thread.
 
As a mental exercise, a change from our world of Nation states and their controlled borders to a world of open and uncontrolled borders....what would happen if all of our borders were thrown open?
 
maxparrish said:
For some time I have been telling my associates and friends that the entire year, given King Obama's threats to "borrow power" from our Parliament has been a setup to issuing "Decrees" to grant royal amnesty to hundreds of thousands or millions, and to throw open borders; I suspect this may be the moment for the imperial hammer to strike.

One can predict the usual excuses for King's siezure - Congress didn't pass a reform, we can't wait, we have a crisis at the border because of Congresses failure to enact reform, no choice to do otherwise, must grant amnesty immediately before elections, must protect the children, yada yada.

On the plus side, it may help the Republicans take the Senate.
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Another case of one trying to wash out their perceived black stain of Obama by wringing their hands.
 
DBT said:
As a mental exercise, a change from our world of Nation states and their controlled borders to a world of open and uncontrolled borders....what would happen if all of our borders were thrown open?
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It would depend a lot on what caused the borders to be thrown open. What's your scenario?

World government is established by conquest.
World government is established by corruption of local political processes.
World government is established by popular vote in every nation state.
A 10 km comet is definitely going to hit the Earth in three months; nobody cares where anyone goes to die.
Extraterrestrials shoot all border police with an apathy beam as a psychology experiment.
Human-capable teleporters are invented, making border control attempts futile.
Dr. Haber the megalomaniacal psychiatrist tells his psychic to dream that all of our borders are thrown open.
People stop wanting to take other people's stuff or make other people follow their religions.
People stop minding other people taking their stuff and being forced to follow other people's religions.

(Options listed in order of decreasing probability.)
 
Bomb#20 said:
DBT said:
As a mental exercise, a change from our world of Nation states and their controlled borders to a world of open and uncontrolled borders....what would happen if all of our borders were thrown open?
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It would depend a lot on what caused the borders to be thrown open. What's your scenario?

World government is established by conquest.
World government is established by corruption of local political processes.
World government is established by popular vote in every nation state.
A 10 km comet is definitely going to hit the Earth in three months; nobody cares where anyone goes to die.
Extraterrestrials shoot all border police with an apathy beam as a psychology experiment.
Human-capable teleporters are invented, making border control attempts futile.
Dr. Haber the megalomaniacal psychiatrist tells his psychic to dream that all of our borders are thrown open.
People stop wanting to take other people's stuff or make other people follow their religions.
People stop minding other people taking their stuff and being forced to follow other people's religions.

(Options listed in order of decreasing probability.)
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For the sake of this exercise, a World government by popular vote I'd say. Being given the power, the World Government deliberates on inequality and decides to allow all citizens of the World the right to live wherever they wish, to seek a preferred lifestyle, employment, income, business opportunities, etc, by opening all borders. Thereby allowing market processes free reign.
 
If people from other parts of the world want to live here, work here, and contribute to society, why are we stopping them? If they need a little assistance to get by in the meantime, I could think of a million worse things our tax dollars are already being spent on.
 
DBT said:
For the sake of this exercise, a World government by popular vote I'd say. Being given the power, the World Government deliberates on inequality and decides to allow all citizens of the World the right to live wherever they wish, to seek a preferred lifestyle, employment, income, business opportunities, etc, by opening all borders. Thereby allowing market processes free reign.
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Okay. You can't even get the Dutch to vote in favor of being a little bit more ruled from Brussels; but let's assume 4 million Kuwaitis have voted to be ruled from Geneva, under the same government with their neighbors, the 36 million Iraqis. The Geneva authorities must have given the Kuwaitis some pretty convincing assurances that the Iraqis wouldn't get the opportunity either to take the Kuwaitis' riches or to force them to turn Shi'ite or die. Those assurances could take two forms. Either they were assured the Iraqis would not be allowed to immigrate, or else they were assured that neither a local majority of descendants of recent immigrants, nor a global majority of the people of Earth, nor an oligarchy of inequality deliberators in Geneva, would have either the legal or the de facto authority to vote the Kuwaitis' civil rights or property away from them.

By hypothesis, mass immigration has been authorized. So either the World Government reneged on its most solemn promises, or else there's a rock-solid World Constitutional guarantee of freedom of religion, private property rights, and limits on tax rates, with a World Supreme Court committed to taking the letter of the law seriously, solidly backed up by a sufficiently manned and funded Team Geneva, World Police. You say market processes are allowed free reign, so I take it it's the latter. Somehow, the left-leaning people of the world have voted to set up global capitalism.

Well, that can't last. Most of the poor will see the World Government as an oppressor that serves the interests of the rich. They'll try to vote it out. They'll amend the Constitution, or they'll elect a court-packing legislature, or they'll attempt a socialist revolution. Either the Iraqis will peacefully take the Kuwaitis' riches, along with their civil rights, and the same will happen in a hundred places around the world, or else there will be civil war. When borders are open, all wars are civil wars. People who dream of a borderless world forget that borders are what make it possible to end a war before one side is utterly crushed.
 
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