Herman Cain dies from COVID

[KeepTalking]

Even if that is true, so what? Comorbidity means covid was a factor in those deaths.

Do you want me to run you through an entire biology education through an internet forum?

*raises hand*

Oh please! Oh please!

(this should be rich)

 

[Elixir]

Do you even know the significance of comorbidity factors?

Gee Jason, I have only been a certified First Responder, an adjunct to medical specialists and a supplier of PPE materials for about 30 years. How about you?

Do you want me to run you through an entire biology education through an internet forum?

Yeah, sure - I bet that would be funny.
But first, what are your qualifications?
Did you read a lot of internet posts and watch some YouTube videos?
Did you read the comments sections too?

 

[laughing dog]

Even if that is true, so what? Comorbidity means covid was a factor in those deaths.

Do you want me to run you through an entire biology education through an internet forum?

I think you need to run yourself through an entire biology education. Comorbidity would mean covid is a factor in the death. Unless, of course, you are using an idiosyncratic notion of the term "comorbidity".

 

[Rhea]

Even if that is true, so what? Comorbidity means covid was a factor in those deaths.

Do you want me to run you through an entire biology education through an internet forum?

I’m wondering what you are going to say here.

Looking up “comorbidity,” so that I don’t make the mistake orelying on etymology to conclude “together” or “simulatneous” and “death causing,” I find this:

co·mor·bid·i·ty
/ˌkōmôrˈbidədē/
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noun
noun: comorbidity; plural noun: comorbidities; noun: co-morbidity; plural noun: co-morbidities
the simultaneous presence of two chronic diseases or conditions in a patient.
"the comorbidity of anxiety and depression in Parkinson's disease

Seems to imply that you don’t need both to add up to a cause of death, either one can suffice. They just both happen to exist simultaneously. So yes, while other conditions may be present, it does not mean that COVID is not responsible for 150,000 deaths.

Are you using a different definition?


Looking at excess deaths alone, if it is NOT due to COVID, then how monstrously irresponsible for us as a society to fail to investigate what IS causing (much more than) 150,000 excess deaths all of a suddent his year.


Either way - look at how many people more than normal have died this year. What could be causing that? Are there any clues about what’s different this year in health? Anything at all?

Is your answer, “well, it could be something besides COVID, you know,” and if that’s your answer what on earth makes you not worried about something causing 2x to 10x increase in deaths due to “normal” causes?

 

[Elixir]

I’m wondering what you are going to say here.

Looking up “comorbidity,” so that I don’t make the mistake of relying on etymology...

Heh ... the etymology suffices well enough in this instance.
Jason probably needs to teach us all Latin though, once he finishes giving us his witch doctor biology course. Because he obviously has some deeper understanding of co-morbidity than do infectious disease specialists.

Hey! That reminds me of someone... can't quite put my finger on it, but the color orange comes to mind. Must be synesthesia. Right, Jason?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Elixir, you claim to have quite a bit of training. You give LD his education.

If your weird obsession with random colors doesn't get in the way.

I guess a lot of those people with the comorbidity factors would have had very long fulfilling morbidly obese geriatric immuno-compromised lives had Covid not appeared. They'd be the picture of heath right now.

 

[laughing dog]

Elixir, you claim to have quite a bit of training. You give LD his education.

If your weird obsession with random colors doesn't get in the way.

I guess a lot of those people with the comorbidity factors would have had very long fulfilling morbidly obese geriatric immuno-compromised lives had Covid not appeared. They'd be the picture of heath right now.

It doesn't take nuanced thinking to see the difference between having poor health and being dead. I think anyone who had taken and understood any biology would get that.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Let me get this straight. Guy with high risks runs around not wearing a mask because crazy conservatives say it's okay. He's running around like that for months. As expected, he gets coronavirus. As expected, it gets serious because he's high risk. He goes to in-patient care in the hospital because of the seriousness of covid. He dies there.

Then, we get a Libertarian in the forum screaming, "BUT COMORBIDITY!!!!1!!! You don't understand biology you fools! I will school you all on biology education. Oh wait, what, you really want me to? No, Elixir, you do it!!!1!!"

Well, that was a useful distraction. I guess?

Let's not forget that Herman Cain died, though, and he died because he had covid and ran around without a mask on. It's important to follow the guidelines and be low-risk and it's especially important when you have higher risk situations--to be EVEN MORE rigorous. So, someone like Herman Cain ought not have attended a political rally with no social distancing and no mask. Those types of behaviors were extremely risky to his health.

 

[Rhea]

Elixir, you claim to have quite a bit of training. You give LD his education.

If your weird obsession with random colors doesn't get in the way.

I guess a lot of those people with the comorbidity factors would have had very long fulfilling morbidly obese geriatric immuno-compromised lives had Covid not appeared. They'd be the picture of heath right now.

Jason, what do you think is the cause in the CHANGE of the death rate in the US this year?

Do you feel you know the reason why more people are having heart attacks than usual?
Do you feel you know the reason why more people are having lung failure this year?
Do you know why more diabetics than usual are dying this year?


Yes, indeed we are claiming that in the absence of COID, we would NOT EXPECT all those people to die this year at higher rates than normal.

If you think COVID is NOT the reason for all these excess deaths, what do you propose IS he reason?

 

[ideologyhunter]

Um, demon sperm?

 

[TSwizzle]

A virus so lethal it requires a test to detect it. Weirdos obsessing over masks. Stay home if you really believe your nonsense. But you don’t really believe it. Just a bunch of control freaks.

 

[KeepTalking]

A virus so lethal it requires a test to detect it. Weirdos obsessing over masks. Stay home if you really believe your nonsense. But you don’t really believe it. Just a bunch of control freaks.

Name one virus that does not require a test to confirm you have it.

 

[marc]

A virus so lethal it requires a test to detect it. Weirdos obsessing over masks. Stay home if you really believe your nonsense. But you don’t really believe it. Just a bunch of control freaks.

Name one virus that does not require a test to confirm you have it.

I think this is his cults mantra now. Just keep repeating it and the virus can’t get you.

Many illnesses, like viruses and cancer, need tests to detect in early stages. If you wait until it is fucking obvious that you got it it is probably too late.

 

[TSwizzle]

[{snip} Just keep repeating it and the virus can’t get you.

it definitely can’t get you if you stay home. So stay home fella, for ever if you must.

 

[Patooka]

[{snip} Just keep repeating it and the virus can’t get you.

it definitely can’t get you if you stay home. So stay home fella, for ever if you must.

I find not being an obstinate fuckwit and following medical guidelines is as effective. I hope you are consistent with your skepticism about modern medicine and only trust in the power of leeches for all your ills.

 

[Elixir]

Elixir, you claim to have quite a bit of training. You give LD his education.

If your weird obsession with random colors doesn't get in the way.

I guess a lot of those people with the comorbidity factors would have had very long fulfilling morbidly obese geriatric immuno-compromised lives had Covid not appeared. They'd be the picture of heath right now.

I guess Rhea has a lot of training too, since she saw right through your lame assertion. Let's review, shall we?

"Comorbidity" doesn't mean "the patient would be dead by now regardless". You might want to write that down.

LD needs education less urgently than you do, not least because he has refrained from making stupid arguments like yours.

Your so-called argument amounts to the idiotic notion that any COVID patient concurrently afflicted with diabetes, cardiovascular illness, pneumonia, cancer, advanced age, another infectious disease or any one or more of a host of other conditions, would be dead by now absent COVID. (In fact, COVID-19 can actually cause some of the conditions you'd call "comorbid", e.g. respiratory or cardiac failure, runaway immune reaction etc..)*

So YOUR final tally would include only those who were in the prime of life and in perfect health when they contracted the disease, and did not develop any "comorbid" condition during the course of the COVID-19 progression. Further, your tally would presumably continue to ignore home deaths and other COVID deaths that occur prior to diagnosis.

That's Trump-level STOOPID, and a dishonest attempt at Trumpishly minimalizing the devastating nature of the disease.

[* ETA: Yes, Jason, "comorbidity" can and sometimes does refer to conditions related to the assigned primary cause of death.]

 

[TSwizzle]

I find not being an obstinate fuckwit and following medical guidelines is as effective. I hope you are consistent with your skepticism about modern medicine and only trust in the power of leeches for all your ills.

You make absolutely no sense. Your irrational fears are not my concern.

 

[Patooka]

I find not being an obstinate fuckwit and following medical guidelines is as effective. I hope you are consistent with your skepticism about modern medicine and only trust in the power of leeches for all your ills.

You make absolutely no sense. Your irrational fears are not my concern.

You are mistaken. I do not ridicule your idiotic stance on Covid-19 out of fear, but as a schadenfreude-esque hobby. I don't live in a country that has had a fifth of the world's total deaths during this pandemic.

 

[Elixir]

A virus so lethal it requires a test to detect it. Weirdos obsessing over masks. Stay home if you really believe your nonsense. But you don’t really believe it. Just a bunch of control freaks.

Name one virus that does not require a test to confirm you have it.

Uh... testing requirements are not metrics of lethality. "So lethal it requires a test" is nonsensical on the face of it.

 

[TSwizzle]

I find not being an obstinate fuckwit and following medical guidelines is as effective. I hope you are consistent with your skepticism about modern medicine and only trust in the power of leeches for all your ills.

You make absolutely no sense. Your irrational fears are not my concern.

You are mistaken. I do not ridicule your idiotic stance on Covid-19 out of fear, but as a schadenfreude-esque hobby. I don't live in a country that has had a fifth of the world's total deaths during this pandemic.

Then your irrational obsession is even more weird. Mind your business.