Hillary Amuses All in Presser over EMAIL.

[maxparrish]

Okay by me.

Unfortunately for Max' partisan narrative, Hillary Clinton did not fail in her required record keeping duties, nor was her server unsecured (it was the same system used by Bill Clinton when he was PRESIDENT & it was guarded by Secret Service), nor did she delete any work-related emails.

THE VERDICT: MaxFail

Sigh, as explained at length, she did fail.

However, in regards to the email server being "unsecured", no one is claiming that. Rather, it is claimed that it was not certified to be at State Department standards. Any system used by Clinton (and his TWO emails) in the 1990s is laughable by todays cyber-security protection standards. (Good gosh, we have moved beyond 'AOL', ya know.)

Politico noted:

Either way, most non-government security experts doubt that Clinton’s homebrew server could match the security of State’s own email system. “The State Department has its own full time security team and the NSA helping out,” ACLU Principal Technologist Chris Soghoian said. “Unless she was paying a team of people to keep her personal email secure, it’s likely it was less secure.”

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/...arack-obamas-emails-115955.html#ixzz3U8LT80Id

Christopher Budd, of Trend Micro, is an expert in the areas of online security and privacy, incident response, and crisis communications. And a ten year veteran of the Microsoft Security Response Center (MSRC). He wrote in Geekwire:

you have a situation where the very high value targets are threatened by the most advanced and sophisticated offensive information security capabilities out there. Put another way, the best of the best are gunning for those people to get their information
...if the best of the best are after your information, you need the best of your best protecting it. And there is simply no way that a “homebrew” server is EVER going to have the security and resources appropriate to defend it adequately.

Looking at it this way, a “homebrew” server was the worst possible choice. Even using a webmail system like Gmail, Outlook or Yahoo would have been better because those companies have the expertise and capability to meet at least some of the threat this class of information would face.

...It’s so inadequate to meeting the risks that it would be laughable if it weren't so serious.

Unless we learn that this server was being protected by the government using the same levels of protection that official servers are, we have no choice but to assume that this server has been compromised by foreign intelligence agents. And let’s be clear, this isn’t just hostile governments: if the Snowden disclosures have shown us anything (reminded us, really) it’s that everyone spies on everyone, friend and foe alike. To put this in the starkest terms: we have to assume the Russians, the Chinese, the Israelis have had access to the Secretary of State’s official email.

...But the fact remains that, unless we learn otherwise, this Secretary of State took actions that endangered the security of critical information in their trust and so the security of the United States. Regardless of one’s political affiliation and support that is a very serious violation, much more serious than the other violations being discussed.

Given that her buddy Sidney Blumenthal (and his address book) was hacked in 2013, the likelihood that she escaped it is not good.

http://www.geekwire.com/2015/why-th...tters-and-why-it-may-be-worse-than-you-think/

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What is with conservatives and not understanding how to create humor? There is definitely a source of ... umm... humor with the email issue, but the OP seemed to not grasp how to... err... present it. ...

They just won't stop hating Clinton. If she used a private email that is wrong and should be investigated. Fine. The problem is, even when Clinton doesn't do something wrong, the right-wingers piss their pants over the dumbest stuff.

So now your complaint is that the OP was insufficiently humorous in satirizing her explanations, and just we won't stop hating Clinton? Is there a sin that we don't commit?

I'm stating some well established facts. Right-wingers have problems understanding what is humorous and they absolutely hate Clinton. The second part is the Boy of Cried Wolf issue you folks have.

Come on Higgins, you almost certainly see that her Presser didn't even pass the laugh test.

So you agree liberals are more funny?

Why did she use only a personal email account? Because she didn't want to carry around two phones ...really?
Why did she insist on only using her home-brew server? Because, you know, its not illegal?
Was it secure to State Department standards - Sure, because, you know. Bill Clinton used it and it was never hacked.
Did she comply with State Department procedures as S. of State? Sure because two years after she quit she was pressed to do so.
Did she delete emails that should have been turned over to State? Nope, cause she said 'trust me'.
Did she turn over everything she should have? Sure, cause she said 'trust me'.
Can we verify her claims? No, because she will never allow inspection of her server for deleted or hidden emails.

There is a metric ton of supposition there and little in the way of established facts. The AP is investigating and we'll see whether there is any substance with your Clinton Scandal in the Gaps argument.

 

[dismal]

There is a metric ton of supposition there and little in the way of established facts. The AP is investigating and we'll see whether there is any substance with your Clinton Scandal in the Gaps argument.

The reason even the people at MSNBC can see this a problem is that we have standards to hold our public officials accountable and there is no way these standards can be met without transparency, and she was clearly avoiding accountability and transparency.

I'm astonished that people here are making arguments like "ZMOFIG she provided all the emails 1100111!!!".

We will never know. And this was not an accident. This was the entire point of her actions.

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[thebeave]

It's funny how she excused her actions by saying it was "inconvenient" to have to carry two phones. And she wants to be President? The whole damn job is one giant "inconvenience". Makes me wonder if she'll get up to answer that 3am phone call like she claims, or if she'll just pull the phone cord out of the wall.

 

[Playball40]

Why is that "the point"?

I agree that, as a practical matter, it would be easier to simply use the State Department's email system (as Condoleeza Rice and John Kerry have done). But can you point to any law that required Hillary Clinton and/or Colin Powell to specifically use the State Department's email system?

Why would she want to go to the extra hassle of setting up her own server?

Starting list of good reasons here:

1)

Same reason Jeb Bush did??

 

[dismal]

Why would she want to go to the extra hassle of setting up her own server?

Starting list of good reasons here:

1)

Same reason Jeb Bush did??

And what reason is that?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It's funny how she excused her actions by saying it was "inconvenient" to have to carry two phones.

The excuse is very weak.

And she wants to be President? The whole damn job is one giant "inconvenience". Makes me wonder if she'll get up to answer that 3am phone call like she claims, or if she'll just pull the phone cord out of the wall.

See... at least that is funny.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Well, if (sorry, that should be when. There's no point in using the conditional here) she's President, she'll have somebody to bring the phone to her. If she rips it out of the wall, they'll just bring her another one. That lets her both deal with the problem like a good President and waste taxpayer money like a good liberal.

 

[maxparrish]

Oh Boy! Ever more fun aftershocks in the latest quake emanating from America's royal family...

- Hillary DID have two cell phones at State...the second phone being a blackberry. But it was not a State department blackberry with security software, which she rejected. So she intentionally chose another unsecured private device, this one apparently used more often on her overseas business trips. But hey, another major hole for foreign intelligence to exploit? What does it matter? Keeping stuff hidden from the 'vast right-wing conspiracy' (and voters) trumps national security.

- Anyone notice her careful parsing at the Presser? She didn’t say that she never accessed or never received classified information from her private account. She said she never sent classified “material.” And in Clinton-speak, what might that mean? It really doesn't answer if she discussed or accessed classified (or what should be classified) material or information.

- Turns out that she 'selected' what was business by a keyword list. No one knows what words were (or were not) used but as half the emails didn't have those keywords she decided they were personal and were deleted without inspection.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

She's still going to win, max. Maintaining this level of outrage for the next ten years isn't good for your health.

 

[untermensche]

Oh Boy! Ever more fun aftershocks in the latest quake emanating from America's royal family...

- Hillary DID have two cell phones at State...the second phone being a blackberry. But it was not a State department blackberry with security software, which she rejected. So she intentionally chose another unsecured private device, this one apparently used more often on her overseas business trips. But hey, another major hole for foreign intelligence to exploit? What does it matter? Keeping stuff hidden from the 'vast right-wing conspiracy' (and voters) trumps national security.

- Anyone notice her careful parsing at the Presser? She didn’t say that she never accessed or never received classified information from her private account. She said she never sent classified “material.” And in Clinton-speak, what might that mean? It really doesn't answer if she discussed or accessed classified (or what should be classified) material or information.

- Turns out that she 'selected' what was business by a keyword list. No one knows what words were (or were not) used but as half the emails didn't have those keywords she decided they were personal and were deleted without inspection.

And what actual harm occurred because of this?

 

[Ford]

Oh Boy! Ever more fun aftershocks in the latest quake emanating from America's royal family...

- Hillary DID have two cell phones at State...the second phone being a blackberry. But it was not a State department blackberry with security software, which she rejected. So she intentionally chose another unsecured private device, this one apparently used more often on her overseas business trips. But hey, another major hole for foreign intelligence to exploit? What does it matter? Keeping stuff hidden from the 'vast right-wing conspiracy' (and voters) trumps national security.

- Anyone notice her careful parsing at the Presser? She didn’t say that she never accessed or never received classified information from her private account. She said she never sent classified “material.” And in Clinton-speak, what might that mean? It really doesn't answer if she discussed or accessed classified (or what should be classified) material or information.

- Turns out that she 'selected' what was business by a keyword list. No one knows what words were (or were not) used but as half the emails didn't have those keywords she decided they were personal and were deleted without inspection.

And what actual harm occurred because of this?

Well, four Americans died in the worst terrorist attack ever on 9/11. (2012)

And since no investigations whatsoever were done to get to the heart of how that evil deed was allowed to happen by the obvious negligence of one Hillary Rodham Clinton, we can only assume that the fact she had two Blackberry's and a separate private super-secret email account (that she never used to email anyone in the government ever) must be in some way proof of her complicity in having Vince Foster Christopher Stevens murdered.

Don't you think it is "actual harm" when a US Ambassador is murdered by the Secretary of State?

Don't you think there should be at least a cursory investigation of this terrible crime?

I question your patriotism, sir!

 

[untermensche]

....Don't you think it is "actual harm" when a US Ambassador is murdered by the Secretary of State?...

I imagine quite a lot of harm from twisting logic so hard to come up with this.

 

[Ford]

....Don't you think it is "actual harm" when a US Ambassador is murdered by the Secretary of State?...

I imagine quite a lot of harm from twisting logic so hard to come up with this.

Well it has already rendered your sarcasm meter useless, so clearly there's work to be done.

 

[untermensche]

I imagine quite a lot of harm from twisting logic so hard to come up with this.

Well it has already rendered your sarcasm meter useless, so clearly there's work to be done.

My sarcasm meter was low a long time ago.

 

[dismal]

Oh Boy! Ever more fun aftershocks in the latest quake emanating from America's royal family...

- Hillary DID have two cell phones at State...the second phone being a blackberry. But it was not a State department blackberry with security software, which she rejected. So she intentionally chose another unsecured private device, this one apparently used more often on her overseas business trips. But hey, another major hole for foreign intelligence to exploit? What does it matter? Keeping stuff hidden from the 'vast right-wing conspiracy' (and voters) trumps national security.

- Anyone notice her careful parsing at the Presser? She didn’t say that she never accessed or never received classified information from her private account. She said she never sent classified “material.” And in Clinton-speak, what might that mean? It really doesn't answer if she discussed or accessed classified (or what should be classified) material or information.

- Turns out that she 'selected' what was business by a keyword list. No one knows what words were (or were not) used but as half the emails didn't have those keywords she decided they were personal and were deleted without inspection.

And what actual harm occurred because of this?

Why do we have rules governing the retention of government emails at all?

I'm sure all our government officials are entirely trustworthy and will give us the information we really need to have.

 

[Derec]

 

[SimpleDon]

Her story is something like this:

"I don't like to carry two phones and...ugh...we all know that you can't get two email addresses on one phone...oh wait, maybe you can but I can't for security reasons...except, ugh...I insisted I have an I-Phone that does not have the State Department Extended Security (State blackberry does)...except I have already admitted to routinely using two cell phones two weeks ago and I forgot...ugh...ummm... besides my lackeys cant carry an extra phone...and my own convenience trumps protecting national security...er..right?"

"Besides I deleted half the emails...cause like they were to Bill and personal suff like yoga...I mean he has written two emails in his life but they were really...really...really long...and I have determined the server will remain private and you have to trust me...and HEY EVERYONE WHAT ABOUT THAT LETTER TO IRAN, THAT WAS SOMETHING EH?"

"And, I'd like to thank that Turkish reporter who asked my obviously planted question regarding if I were a man would I be treated this way...cause it underscores my opening pander over women's rights...which is my code to women SUPPORT ME in my time of need".

"Finally, I would remind my critics that if there are more emails that should show up, they will. i mean, remember the missing Rose firm records that mysteriously appeared on a white house dining table?

Did I mention I have a Jew in my background, and it would be nice if theyd support me too?"

This is pretty accurate, listening to what little of her news conference that I could stomach.

The ultimate victory of movement conservatism will be the domination of the Democratic Party by the DLC, Blue Dog conservatives and the complete lack of an identifiable Democratic policy platform beyond "we are the slightly less crazy conservatives."

 

[SimpleDon]

I assume that all of the attention that this is getting from the right wing is all about Benghazi?

That they are certain that Hillary destroyed all of the smoking gun emails, somewhat neglecting that for emails to fulfill their function they have to be sent to someone. And that someone probably has a government email account and a copy of the Hillary emails. And it would only take seconds for all of the Hillary private account emails sent to anyone else in the State Department or in the government to be found.

Apologies if this point has already been discussed, I haven't read the thread yet.

 

[laughing dog]

This email affair changes nothing because people either already dislike Mrs. Clinton or support her. Nor does this reveal anything new about Mrs. Clinton.