Hillary Amuses All in Presser over EMAIL.

[ksen]

lolmax

 

[dismal]

The point is that she was using a nongovernment email account for official business in the first place.

Why is that "the point"?

I agree that, as a practical matter, it would be easier to simply use the State Department's email system (as Condoleeza Rice and John Kerry have done). But can you point to any law that required Hillary Clinton and/or Colin Powell to specifically use the State Department's email system?

Why would she want to go to the extra hassle of setting up her own server?

Starting list of good reasons here:

1)

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What I find odd is that she apparently never had a Government email. Wouldn't this have been obvious? Did she not email anyone in the Republican Party in four years?
This is unestablished.

May be unestablished.

And under 18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation

(a) Whoever willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, or destroys, or attempts to do so, or, with intent to do so takes and carries away any record, proceeding, map, book, paper, document, or other thing, filed or deposited with any clerk or officer of any court of the United States, or in any public office, or with any judicial or public officer of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.

(b) Whoever, having the custody of any such record, proceeding, map, book, document, paper, or other thing, willfully and unlawfully conceals, removes, mutilates, obliterates, falsifies, or destroys the same, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both; and shall forfeit his office and be disqualified from holding any office under the United States. As used in this subsection, the term “office” does not include the office held by any person as a retired officer of the Armed Forces of the United States.

Oh boy! Hillary Clinton is the first one to do this in the history of the United States... delete an email. I mean look at the entire lack of fines and arrests and imprisonments over it.

VERDICT:

Hillary Clinton willfully and unlawfully concealed, and attempted to conceal, her State Department records by intentionally using her exclusive and private email server for all her official email business, routing her government records through her private email server, and not complying with record-keeping code. She intentionally did not follow procedure to provide copies of private emails to the State Department while she was head of the agency.

Ms. Clinton's concealment and conspiracy to conceal State Department records requires her arrest and trial. Upon conviction she should spend not less than 1 year in prison, and barred from future office.

Sad but necessary.

Need a cloth?

Honestly, the fact you even think you are looking at this from anything but partisan goggles is disturbing.

Hey, its not like I want to see Hillary go to jail.

You ever heard of the Boy that Cried Wolf?

But given the bar set by Fitzgerald and many other federal prosecutors, its more than appropriate. She can always call Scooter Libby for advice on what job she would like to do in prison.

I'm having a hard time equating the background on the case of leaking the identity of a NOC-List CIA Agent which led to the conviction on lying to investigators... with deleting emails which seems to be the latest turn in Whitewater Take II.

 

[maxparrish]

Why is that "the point"?

I agree that, as a practical matter, it would be easier to simply use the State Department's email system (as Condoleeza Rice and John Kerry have done). But can you point to any law that required Hillary Clinton and/or Colin Powell to specifically use the State Department's email system?

Why would she want to go to the extra hassle of setting up her own server?

Starting list of good reasons here:

1)

1)...crickets...

 

[Loren Pechtel]

What is with conservatives and not understanding how to create humor? There is definitely a source of ... umm... humor with the email issue, but the OP seemed to not grasp how to... err... present it.

I think the real amusement is the fact that wingers get their panties in a twist if Hillary so much as wakes up in the morning.

It is incredible. When Hillary Clinton dies, there will be traffic jams across America as right-wingers race to be the first to piss on her grave. Thousands will likely die in road rage incidents amongst "friendlies".

They just won't stop hating Clinton. If she used a private email that is wrong and should be investigated. Fine. The problem is, even when Clinton doesn't do something wrong, the right-wingers piss their pants over the dumbest stuff.

What's actually going on is they are demonizing any potential Democratic candidates, trying to get people to note vote for them.

 

[dismal]

What is with conservatives and not understanding how to create humor? There is definitely a source of ... umm... humor with the email issue, but the OP seemed to not grasp how to... err... present it.

It is incredible. When Hillary Clinton dies, there will be traffic jams across America as right-wingers race to be the first to piss on her grave. Thousands will likely die in road rage incidents amongst "friendlies".

They just won't stop hating Clinton. If she used a private email that is wrong and should be investigated. Fine. The problem is, even when Clinton doesn't do something wrong, the right-wingers piss their pants over the dumbest stuff.

What's actually going on is they are demonizing any potential Democratic candidates, trying to get people to note vote for them.

That's what the people on MSNBC were doing when they were talking about this today?

Here's a nice one:

http://www.msnbc.com/morning-joe/watch/what-hillary-can-and-cant-do-with-personal-email-411546691594

 

[maxparrish]

What is with conservatives and not understanding how to create humor? There is definitely a source of ... umm... humor with the email issue, but the OP seemed to not grasp how to... err... present it. ...

They just won't stop hating Clinton. If she used a private email that is wrong and should be investigated. Fine. The problem is, even when Clinton doesn't do something wrong, the right-wingers piss their pants over the dumbest stuff.

So now your complaint is that the OP was insufficiently humorous in satirizing her explanations, and just we won't stop hating Clinton? Is there a sin that we don't commit?

Come on Higgins, you almost certainly see that her Presser didn't even pass the laugh test.

Why did she use only a personal email account? Because she didn't want to carry around two phones ...really?
Why did she insist on only using her home-brew server? Because, you know, its not illegal?
Was it secure to State Department standards - Sure, because, you know. Bill Clinton used it and it was never hacked.
Did she comply with State Department procedures as S. of State? Sure because two years after she quit she was pressed to do so.
Did she delete emails that should have been turned over to State? Nope, cause she said 'trust me'.
Did she turn over everything she should have? Sure, cause she said 'trust me'.
Can we verify her claims? No, because she will never allow inspection of her server for deleted or hidden emails.

Perhaps I should not find the admitted deletion of 30,000 emails from a server used for State Department Business quite so 'humorous'. Nor should anyone.

 

[maxparrish]

NEW FALLOUT:

WASHINGTON (AP) — The Associated Press on Wednesday sued the State Department to force the release of email correspondence and government documents from Hillary Rodham Clinton's tenure as secretary of state.

The legal action follows repeated requests filed under the U.S. Freedom of Information Act that have gone unfulfilled. They include one request the AP made five years ago and others pending since the summer of 2013.

The suit in U.S. District Court comes a day after Clinton broke her silence about her use of a private email account while she was America's top diplomat.

The FOIA requests and the suit seek materials related to her public and private calendars; correspondence involving aides likely to play important roles in her expected campaign for president; and Clinton-related emails about the Osama bin Laden raid and National Security Agency surveillance practices.

"After careful deliberation and exhausting our other options, The Associated Press is taking the necessary legal steps to gain access to these important documents, which will shed light on actions by the State Department and former Secretary Clinton, a presumptive 2016 presidential candidate, during some of the most significant issues of our time," said Karen Kaiser, AP's general counsel.

Said AP Executive Editor Kathleen Carroll: "The Freedom of Information Act exists to give citizens a clear view of what government officials are doing on their behalf. When that view is denied, the next resort is the courts."

State Department spokesman Alec Gerlach declined to comment.

Faux Scandal?

 

[Nice Squirrel]

And they will get nothing. Like with Cheney's emails.

 

[fromderinside]

shhhh don't say the "E.W." name... it will summon the Ksen-ator!

How about a successful four term governor, no not  John [B]Kitzhaber[/B], but, the nearly 78 years young  Jerry Brown. I'll take a successful boyfriend of  Linda Ronstadt over a successful girlfriend of  Bill Clinton anytime. ...and he'd only be 83 when he runs for re-election in 2020. That's less than the age of most of my friends here in speederfundus.

 

[ZiprHead]

Why would she want to go to the extra hassle of setting up her own server?

Starting list of good reasons here:

1)

1)...crickets...

I'll give it a shot: It's also useful for campaigning.

 

[RavenSky]

THEREFORE, it must be concluded that:

Okay by me.

Unfortunately for Max' partisan narrative, Hillary Clinton did not fail in her required record keeping duties, nor was her server unsecured (it was the same system used by Bill Clinton when he was PRESIDENT & it was guarded by Secret Service), nor did she delete any work-related emails.

THE VERDICT: MaxFail

 

[RavenSky]

I don't disagree in theory, but as to this specific so-called scandal, Hillary Clinton actually did more to preserve the historical account than Colin Powell did. Both of them cc'd their emails contemporaneously, but Hillary also saved and turned hers over. Colin Powell did not.

I would also point out that mandating the use of the State Department email system is no guarantee of the transparency and security you are concerned about. How do we know that Condoleeza Rice was actually avoiding using email other than her word? How do we know that John Kerry isn't using personal email for certain correspondence that will never see the light of day? We only have his word that he's not.

Ya, that's the whole point. It's not the kind of thing that we should trust the politicians over but instead the kind of thing which should be enforced. Fifty years from now when historians are writing about the period, we want them to be able to give the most accurate account possible, not the whitewashed account that Clinton / Powell or anyone else felt would be the most politically optimal way to present it.

again, I don't disagree, but how do you propose to police such a thing? John Kerry does use the State Department provided system, that does now contemporaneously saves his email correspondence... but how do we know that he doesn't also sometimes use other communications channels? (Other than his word currently, and/or some future scandal)

Additionally, if you're sitting in cabinet meetings and knowing things like how Merkel's phone is tapped and all the other espionage stuff that's going on and you choose to use a less secure form of communication in your own offical correspondence, then you're a fucking moron.

In general, I agree. In this specific instance, I disagree. From all reports, Hillary's "personal email" was at least as secure and possibly more secure than the State Department's.

 

[ZiprHead]

The reason for looking for these emails is... BENGHAZI!!! So what do the right-wingers expect will be found about... BENGHAZI!!! in these emails?

 

[fromderinside]

So Maxparrish. Did read the section where employees determine which of their posts were to be included in the 'record'? This is true whether it be the old system in which Powell played or the new system in which Clinton played.

What you people are asking for is to let outsiders read her posts to determine which posts are part of the 'record'.

I bit beyond the pale donchano.

Don't want to hold you too close to the facts of the situation now do I.

I wonder how the republicans will get around Hillary choosing which files are to be saved as the "record'. She delivered 55k pages. She says that's it. No law broken just a guideline ignored.

Next: The Earl of Sandwich is under investigation for what he meant when he said "sandwich".

 

[maxparrish]

So Maxparrish. Did read the section where employees determine which of their posts were to be included in the 'record'? This is true whether it be the old system in which Powell played or the new system in which Clinton played.

What you people are asking for is to let outsiders read her posts to determine which posts are part of the 'record'.

I bit beyond the pale donchano.

Don't want to hold you too close to the facts of the situation now do I.

You mean she get's to cheat if she's on the honor system? (Wish I'd known that as an undergrad).

LOL...

By the way, please quote this "policy" and note that we are speaking of federal laws, not just 'guidelines' ignored.

44 US Code Section 3101
§1236.20
§1236.22
18 U.S. Code § 2071 - Concealment, removal, or mutilation

As both an agency head and as an employee she ignored the law for the purposes of concealment. No way to spin that away...

 

[dismal]

Okay by me.

Unfortunately for Max' partisan narrative, Hillary Clinton did not fail in her required record keeping duties, nor was her server unsecured (it was the same system used by Bill Clinton when he was PRESIDENT & it was guarded by Secret Service), nor did she delete any work-related emails.

THE VERDICT: MaxFail

How do you know if she failed in her record keeping or not?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

The reason for looking for these emails is... BENGHAZI!!! So what do the right-wingers expect will be found about... BENGHAZI!!! in these emails?

Nothing. Using her personal email allowed Hillary to delete the emails where she ordered Al Quaida to kill the US Ambassador to further the cause of evil.

If she'd been on the official government servers ... well, we still wouldn't know because Obama would have sent some ISIS agents in to suicide bomb the email server to cover it up, but we'd have almost caught her.

 

[dismal]

1)...crickets...

I'll give it a shot: It's also useful for campaigning.

Why is this a good reason to run her government email on a homebrew server?

And, if it is, why hasn't she offered it as the reason?

 

[Ford]

The reason for looking for these emails is... BENGHAZI!!! So what do the right-wingers expect will be found about... BENGHAZI!!! in these emails?

Well they won't find anything to change their minds about BENGHAZI! being the worst thing that has ever happened to America. It is unlikely that they'll find what they think they'll find - a "smoking gun" email from Hillary saying something like "ha ha, gave stand down order, Americans will die soon LOL!"

But what they find or don't find is really secondary. The purpose of bringing up the email...dare I say...gate? is so that the Select House Committee on Investigating Everything the Clintons Do can continue the work they've been tirelessly pursuing for at least 20 years now. It cannot be overstated how important this is, and the timing is particularly critical.

We're perhaps six months out from the start of the 2016 campaign. As we learned in the first Clinton administration, it can take years for an investigation of shady real estate dealings to morph into a case about oral sex, so if the Select House Committee on Investigating Everything the Clintons Do is to find something completely unrelated to BENGHAZI! with which to justify continued investigation of Hillary, they really need to put their noses to the grindstone and not relent until the election is over.

Of course there's a pretty good chance that Hillary will run, and - depending on who falls out of the GOP clown car last - a decent chance she'll win, and that will give the Select House Committee on Investigating Everything the Clintons Do at least 4 more years to continue their work, which is (again) more important than anything facing the nation.

My guess is that if there is a second President Clinton, they might actually be open to her serving two terms, as that will hold them over until such time as Chelsea perhaps decides to wade into politics herself. I mean, think about that for a moment. In a town where everything depends on 24 hour news cycles and short term political goals, these brave Congressmen are engaged in an undertaking that spans decades and (fingers crossed) even generations.

Someday, some of us will even be able to tell our grandchildren "why, I remember when the Perpetual Clinton Investigation first began...way back in 1992!"

"Wow grandpa...really?"

"Yep, and to think we still don't know who murdered Vince Foster!"

"Who's that, grandpa?"

"Goddammit this is important! Jeez, you kids today!"