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DrZoidberg said:
It's the use of domineering and harrassing tactics to bully the opposition into submission. It's anti democratic and anti-free speech and anti free debate.
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You literally call Steve "stupid" and refuse to debate with him, in this very post. You are trying to call out imaginary "Wokes" for your own very real bad behavior.
 
The usual blah blah blah from Z.

His entire attack on “wokesim” is nothing other than the performative slander of the MAGGOT right-wingers. His claim to be a liberal is therefore nonsensical.
 
DrZoidberg said:

The main problem in Sweden has been the racism of the liberals. They think they're not racist. But they are. Non ethnic Swedes are tokenised and not listened to. That has led to a situation where Islamists have managed to penetrate most major parties. Have given refuge to Islamists chased out of the Middle-East. So now the Muslim brotherhoods headquarters is in Sweden. The Islamist politicians haven't hid their Islamism. The liberal ethnic Swedes just haven't confronted them, for complex reasons that I don't really understand. I think it's a bizarre behaviour. The super liberal Green Party had so many Islamists in high positions, when it was revealed in the press, the party just collapsed. It came as a huge shock to the ethnic Swedes in the party. They just hadn't seen it coming.
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The left hates the Jews. Islam hates the Jews. Thus Islam must be the good guys. And all evil comes from those in power, the side not in power is always right. Thus, once again, support Islam.

How dare you point out the Emperor's attire?!?!
 
Loren Pechtel said:
DrZoidberg said:

The main problem in Sweden has been the racism of the liberals. They think they're not racist. But they are. Non ethnic Swedes are tokenised and not listened to. That has led to a situation where Islamists have managed to penetrate most major parties. Have given refuge to Islamists chased out of the Middle-East. So now the Muslim brotherhoods headquarters is in Sweden. The Islamist politicians haven't hid their Islamism. The liberal ethnic Swedes just haven't confronted them, for complex reasons that I don't really understand. I think it's a bizarre behaviour. The super liberal Green Party had so many Islamists in high positions, when it was revealed in the press, the party just collapsed. It came as a huge shock to the ethnic Swedes in the party. They just hadn't seen it coming.
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The left hates the Jews. Islam hates the Jews. Thus Islam must be the good guys. And all evil comes from those in power, the side not in power is always right. Thus, once again, support Islam.

How dare you point out the Emperor's attire?!?!
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The western right has also traditionally hated Jews. They seem to have stopped. How do you explain that?

I find the lefts antisemitism baffling. The left is supposed to be on the side of the oppressed. But not this time.

Islam only started hating Jews in 1948. Islam is more straight forward like that. They like winning. Jews beat them. So now they hate Jews
 
Loren Pechtel said:
DrZoidberg said:

The main problem in Sweden has been the racism of the liberals. They think they're not racist. But they are. Non ethnic Swedes are tokenised and not listened to. That has led to a situation where Islamists have managed to penetrate most major parties. Have given refuge to Islamists chased out of the Middle-East. So now the Muslim brotherhoods headquarters is in Sweden. The Islamist politicians haven't hid their Islamism. The liberal ethnic Swedes just haven't confronted them, for complex reasons that I don't really understand. I think it's a bizarre behaviour. The super liberal Green Party had so many Islamists in high positions, when it was revealed in the press, the party just collapsed. It came as a huge shock to the ethnic Swedes in the party. They just hadn't seen it coming.
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The left hates the Jews. Islam hates the Jews. Thus Islam must be the good guys. And all evil comes from those in power, the side not in power is always right. Thus, once again, support Islam.

How dare you point out the Emperor's attire?!?!
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That is not how any real person on the left actually thinks. It is, however bigoted as fuck to consider anyone "the other side" and thus evil by dint of their nationality, religion, culture, race, sexuality, or any other factor that a person is raised to by circumstance of birth. The very fact that you see politics as a zero sum game that one race must "win" by destroying another is exactly what makes you more like a Jihaadist in mentality - they are trying to solve their society's problems by blaming and attacking perceived outsiders as well.
 
Politesse said:
DrZoidberg said:
The western right has also traditionally hated Jews. They seem to have stopped.
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Are you fucking kidding me? With openly practicing neo-Nazis in every right wing government on the planet? It's clear whose "side" you're on, and it is not a pretty picture.
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Neo-Nazis is a microscopicaly small movement. Politically, they're completely irrelevant today. The only reason anyone gives a fuck about them still is because they're violent. But that doesn't make them powerful
 
Z

All your polemics about wore over here I can apply to Christian groups. They don;t just say their faith demands certain norms, they demand everybody else adhere to it. Abortion, gay rights,. Atheist can be the spawn of Satan. There is a cnst battle between consturtional speraion of church and stae abnd Chrtins tryng to fore rekgion into pubc instutions, lke education.

To me gays are a threat to nobody. Christians who you seem to favor are a threat to liberal rights over here.

My god says you have to believe...

I can hear the ranting on Christian TV and radio,. And of course historically in Christianityy it was convert or die.

You have turned anti work into a crusade, which makes my point. Th left and right arr equally crazy on the extremes.

As to your your silly ass response on gay rights it is just that. A silly ass repose. Doesn't help in your attempt to present an intellectual l facade.

If you are a legal resident of the EU you can go anywhere, right?

In Poland Lech Walesa hero of Solidarity against the Soviets is anti gay. He said said gay members of the legislature should sit outside the chamber.

No European Union member state criminalizes homosexuality, but several countries have laws or official stances considered hostile toward LGBTQ+ people. Hungary and Poland have faced intense scrutiny from the EU for anti-LGBTQ+ policies and rhetoric, with Hungary's child protection law explicitly restricting content depicting homosexuality.
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Do you support gay rights? What are you afraid of on this anonymous forum?

What you see me post is what you hear in face to face to face conversation.
 
The3 right hates Jews?

Again Z pivots to change the conversation.

Historically in this country the Christian right has been anti Jew. It began to change in the 90s. Modern Israel and restoration of the temple became part of Christian end times prophesies.

Part of it was an Israeli propaganda and political indulgence program to court American politicians.

AIPAC American Israeli Political Action Committee spends a lot of money over here. It is no secret.

AIPAC operates a political action committee known as AIPAC PAC, alongside an affiliated super PAC called the United Democracy Project.

Electoral Spending: The PAC and its related super PACs spend heavily in primary and general elections to support pro-Israel candidates and oppose political opponents.
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I believe Christian antisemitism goes back to the early split between a Jewish followers and the Gentle Christians.
 
steve_bank said:

Do you support gay rights? What are you afraid of on this anonymous forum?
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Because I think its an idiotic question. At no point, in all my years as a member of this forum have I said anything negative about gays or gay rights. Not once. Obviously I'm super pro gay rights. I have given you no reason not to think anything else. And I crrated this thread!!! How much evidence do you need?

I'm curious as to why you are asking? What in the world made you question whether I'm for gay rights? The strange path your mind must have taken to end up questioning that? Baffling
 
steve_bank said:
It wasn't just gay sex.
Yes, heterosexual oral sex was historically illegal in many U.S. states under broad "sodomy" or "crime against nature" laws. These laws criminalized oral and anal sex regardless of the participants' gender, though enforcement and specific wording varied widely by state until the U.S. Supreme Court invalidated them nationwide in 2003.
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The difference is in the USA in the long run laws and moral views can change. Jim Crow is gone.

We have separation of church and state, although the boundaries are always pushed by Christina.

The Quran is a framework for a theocracy. I looked at constitutions for Muslim states. There will be a general statement of rightlike free speech and religion, followed by a caveat that those freedoms can not conflict with Quran.
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Exactly. In terms of inherent evil I don't think Islam is any worse than Christianity. But Christianity has been losing it's power to impose it's evil, Islam has been gaining power because it's such a useful tool for leaders trying to maintain control. Almost all religion is at it's heart a means for leaders to control the people. And even when such control starts out benign it takes on a life of it's own. (For example, Jewish dietary laws--which actually made very good sense when and where they were laid down.)
 
Loren Pechtel said:
steve_bank said:
It wasn't just gay sex.
Yes, heterosexual oral sex was historically illegal in many U.S. states under broad "sodomy" or "crime against nature" laws. These laws criminalized oral and anal sex regardless of the participants' gender, though enforcement and specific wording varied widely by state until the U.S. Supreme Court invalidated them nationwide in 2003.
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The difference is in the USA in the long run laws and moral views can change. Jim Crow is gone.

We have separation of church and state, although the boundaries are always pushed by Christina.

The Quran is a framework for a theocracy. I looked at constitutions for Muslim states. There will be a general statement of rightlike free speech and religion, followed by a caveat that those freedoms can not conflict with Quran.
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Exactly. In terms of inherent evil I don't think Islam is any worse than Christianity. But Christianity has been losing it's power to impose it's evil, Islam has been gaining power because it's such a useful tool for leaders trying to maintain control. Almost all religion is at it's heart a means for leaders to control the people. And even when such control starts out benign it takes on a life of it's own. (For example, Jewish dietary laws--which actually made very good sense when and where they were laid down.)
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The nice thing about this is that its a safe bet, Islam, just like Christianity, will soften and liberalise over time.

Anyone claiming Islam is uniquely unable to change, I just don't buy it. Weak arguments
 
Z

My impression of you stands, shallow and ignorant of topics you raise. Opinio9ated.

When you get into trouble you pivot,i like jugging over to Jews.

What you call woke is an opinionated view, not hte definition of woke as an ideology. A politcal rant.

You say you are are straight, but seem to have a kind of obsession with gays. Rnating about lesbians taking the L out of LGBTQ+. Stereotypes of how hays talk.

I go to a grocery store in the main gay neighborhood of Seattle. I just see people. Different groups have different speech and slang, nothing new. Latinos. Blacks. I live on the edge of Chinatown. I hear Chinese. I don't take any special noice of any of it, it al is what it is. I know when I am being insulted in Spanish and how to insult in Spanish Latino slang.

Your OP has a much wder scope than gays. Oh, I forgot you don't want to discuss your OP. You want to rant on woke.
 
Loren Pechtel said:
steve_bank said:
It wasn't just gay sex.
Yes, heterosexual oral sex was historically illegal in many U.S. states under broad "sodomy" or "crime against nature" laws. These laws criminalized oral and anal sex regardless of the participants' gender, though enforcement and specific wording varied widely by state until the U.S. Supreme Court invalidated them nationwide in 2003.
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The difference is in the USA in the long run laws and moral views can change. Jim Crow is gone.

We have separation of church and state, although the boundaries are always pushed by Christina.

The Quran is a framework for a theocracy. I looked at constitutions for Muslim states. There will be a general statement of rightlike free speech and religion, followed by a caveat that those freedoms can not conflict with Quran.
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Exactly. In terms of inherent evil I don't think Islam is any worse than Christianity. But Christianity has been losing it's power to impose it's evil, Islam has been gaining power because it's such a useful tool for leaders trying to maintain control. Almost all religion is at it's heart a means for leaders to control the people. And even when such control starts out benign it takes on a life of it's own. (For example, Jewish dietary laws--which actually made very good sense when and where they were laid down.)
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I think I generally agree with you here.
 
DrZoidberg said:
steve_bank said:
Again Z pivots to change the conversation.
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Or... you could just pay attention to what I am saying. Then you wouldn't get so confused

I do change my opinion from time to time. But I haven't when it comes to this.
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I/we do pay attention to what you say. You do not acknowledge the responses, you pi9vot
 
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