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How progressive left "white privilege" rhetoric is fueling white nationalism

Axulus

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Interesting article that makes a lot of good points:

White people are being asked—or pushed—to take stock of their whiteness and identify with it more. This is a remarkably bad idea.

In the past year, all of the following headlines have appeared, in well-read publications:

The White Guy Problem
White Men Must be Stopped: The Very Future of Mankind Depends on It
I Don’t Know What To Do With Good White People
Ten Things White People Need To Stop Saying
Dear White People: Here’s a List of Things We’d Wish You’d Stop Doing

What is new is the direct indictment of white people as a race. This happened through a strange rhetorical transformation over the past few years. At first, “white men are our greatest threat” postings tended to be ironic, a way of putting the racist shoe on the other foot. They were meant to show that blaming an entire race for the harmful actions of a few individuals is senseless.

Then the tenor changed. What started as irony turned into an actual belief that white people, specifically white men, are more dangerous and immoral than any other people. Loosely backed up by historical inequities and disparities in mass shootings, this position has begun to take a serious foothold.

Don’t Ask White People to Be More Tribal
Strikingly, this shift in rhetoric undermines what was once the core of anti-racist efforts. Treating people equally has given way to making all of us ambassadors for our race. This is a classic theme in critical race theory, that people of color carry a burden of representation that white people do not. But foisting the baggage of representation onto white people doesn’t solve that problem. It makes it worse.

White people are being asked—or pushed—to take stock of their whiteness and identify with it more. This is a remarkably bad idea. The last thing our society needs is for white people to feel more tribal. The result of this tribalism will not be a catharsis of white identity, improving equality for non-whites. It will be resentment towards being the only tribe not given the special treatment bestowed by victimhood.

A big part of the reason white Americans have been willing to go along with policies that are prejudicial on their face, such as affirmative action, is that they do not view themselves as a tribe. Given the inequality of resources favoring whites in our society, it is a good thing that white people view themselves as the ones without an accent. Should that change, white privilege (whatever one views that to be) will not be eviscerated—it will be entrenched.

The Tipping Point of Whiteness
All of this comes at a time when the last immigrants from the great wave of white immigration from 1850-1920 have died off. In the past, most whites identified with their European ethnicity: Irish, Italian, German, etc. As white people gravitate away from such identities, many see themselves as a neutral, “non racial” population. The Left criticizes this refusal to see themselves as “white,” but it is far preferable to the alternative: an American white population that views itself as a special-interest group.

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Privilege Theory Is the Wrong Track
The McIntosh in question is Peggy McIntosh, whose 1988 essay “Unpacking The Invisible Knapsack” formed the foundation of privilege theory. The essay is mostly a list of ways in which white people receive better treatment in society. The MCWC describes McIntosh’s theory as a synecdoche because it has come to define the totality of education’s anti-racism efforts. It is meant to be the magic pill that clarifies things and sets us on the right course once consumed.

They found that many disadvantaged white students reject the notion of their grand privileges and resented the key confessional component of white privilege education. One case study involved an education student named John, from a small, non-diverse town. In his final essay for the class John explained his reaction to McIntosh: “I got the feeling from it that it was more about trying to make white males feel guilty for things they most likely had no control over. Being a white male I got a little worked up about the whole list since I don’t feel like I have anything to apologize for.”

John rolled his eyes at privilege theory. However, his teacher reported that other ways of exploring racism and multiculturalism such as films on race relations and historical texts broadened John’s empathy towards non-white people. John was able to reject confession while still becoming a better anti-racist educator. This made John’s teacher wonder whether confessional white privilege is the universally beneficial educational tool it is made out to be. The collective found that it is not.

In its blunt conclusion, the collective writes: “McIntosh’s conception of white privilege has been at the center of anti-racist thought and action in teacher education. We argue, however, that McIntosh’s ideas simplify white racial identity in dangerous ways. We also demonstrate that white privilege pedagogy demands confession, but that confession is a dead end. Finally, we propose that white supremacy needs to replace white privilege as the central concern of our anti-racist efforts.”

http://thefederalist.com/2016/05/23/how-anti-white-rhetoric-is-fueling-white-nationalism/
 
White people are being asked—or pushed—to take stock of their whiteness and identify with it more.
Sorry, I didn't notice. I keep forgetting I am white, because that is label applied to me and I'm not that much of a sensitive pussy cat. I'll keep enjoying my ethnic heritage and celebrate diversity!

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaRrVqBhfYg[/YOUTUBE]
 
Excellent a article, but don't expect the regressives to acknowledge or understand it. Identity politics has firmly taken control.
 
In the past year, all of the following headlines have appeared, in well-read publications:

The White Guy Problem
White Men Must be Stopped: The Very Future of Mankind Depends on It
I Don’t Know What To Do With Good White People
Ten Things White People Need To Stop Saying
Dear White People: Here’s a List of Things We’d Wish You’d Stop Doing

Let's examine:
The White Guy Problem (Only found a minor opinion blog and articles about GamerGate)
White Men Must be Stopped: The Very Future of Mankind Depends on It http://www.salon.com/2015/12/22/whi...y_future_of_the_planet_depends_on_it_partner/
This is an article about white supremacy and history and how it has been whitewashed and how it fuels race deniers.

They quote David Brooks:
Even the New York Times conservative columnist David Brooks has acknowledged this development. “So much of the national conversation this year has concerned how to think about past racism and oppression, and the power of that past to shape present realities: the Confederate flag, Woodrow Wilson, the unmarked sights of the lynching grounds. Fortunately, many people have found the courage to tell the ugly truths about slavery, Jim Crow and current racism that were repressed by the wider culture.”

Also:
This matters a great deal. In many years of anti-racist work, I have discovered that whites who deny any connection to the racism of the past will also generally deny any connection to the racism of the present. “Please don’t tell me,” cry deniers of systemic white racism. One step removed is the view that we should “accept” the history but must take the good with the bad. This is sometimes known as the “warts and all” theory of history. A variation is the convenient idea that slavery was the “original sin.” Sin, of course, in the Western Christian point of view is inevitable and immutable.

I Don’t Know What To Do With Good White People http://jezebel.com/i-dont-know-what-to-do-with-good-white-people-1671201391
This article is a commentary on the struggles a Black woman faces when facing real or perceived racism.

The problem is that you can never know someone else's intentions. And sometimes I feel like I live in a world where I'm forced to parse through the intentions of people who have no interest in knowing mine. A grand jury believed that Darren Wilson was a good officer doing his job. This same grand jury believed than an eighteen-year-old kid in a monstrous rage charged into a hailstorm of bullets toward a cop's gun.​

Ten Things White People Need To Stop Saying
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/melody-moezzi/ten-things-white-people-n_b_9765436.html
Advice for not being offensive:
As an American who reflects an increasingly common and decidedly ambiguous shade of brown, I have been questioned and “complimented” in some of the strangest ways—rarely by people intending to sound racist, but often by people who end up sounding super racist. So I present the following list as a sort of public service. While it is far from exhaustive, it represents a fair sampling of the kinds of comments that often make those of us with more melanin cringe—or just never contact you after you give us your business cards.


Dear White People: Here’s a List of Things We’d Wish You’d Stop Doing http://www.theroot.com/blog/the-gra...ings_we_d_wish_white_people_would_stop_doing/

This one is from the Root (never heard of it either) and some of them I find offensive.

Stop gentrifying “black” foods. You’ve had your fun with kale. Do not touch collard greens or sweet potatoes.
Fuck off, I'll eat the damn foods I like. But seriously white people read the "The Root"?
 
Meh, as an European American, I'd say the article left out a key component to the issue related to the economic stagnation for roughly 50% of society over the last few decades. The article did have some valid points, but to not recognize that a large swath of whites are seeing less economic opportunity than their parents is unfortunate. At a personal level I've got 4 nephews, and 3 of them definitely will not do as well as their parents. This is partly due to the parents sorely lacking ways in which they raised them. Without going into their details, at least the 2 oldest boys are clearly blaming "them" for their own failures in life. They and their father have become enmeshed in the Alt-right/tea party mentality, and toy with a level of racism that their father didn't have growing up (yeah I knew him then too). They blame blacks, illegal aliens, librals, Muslims, et.al. for all their lack of success. The father has some sort of fantasy that he should be super successful, sort of like his grandfather, but without the smart-and-hard work and without saving money. He and his wife have a hard time not spending it on XYZ...

They live in a rural area of a conservative state, and they are definitely not having to 'cope' with progressive white shame training. The only place they are getting 'news' of how 'whites are bad' is from alt-right websites, social media circle jerking, and Phaux News with their shrill warnings of danger...
 
Excellent a article, but don't expect the regressives to acknowledge or understand it. Identity politics has firmly taken control.
Apparently even liberals can be clueless reactionaries. Identity politics has been around for centuries - as anyone with even a rudimentary knowledge of history understands.
 
Axulus's OP is spot on. There was quite a ruckus by the regressive left at UC Berkeley the other day. Seems "people of color" and the "LGBTQIIA+" (don't ask me what that stands for...I can't keep up with all these new gender orientations) are demanding segregation of public spaces and thoroughfares:

Left-wing students at the University of California, Berkeley are protesting again. This time, however, these students are calling for “safe spaces” for transgendered people, as well as “spaces of color” at the University (which they already have).

The protesters are also harassing white students trying to study, barring their path across a key bridge while allowing students of color safe passage.

The protest, which began last Friday, blocked Berkeley’s Sather Gate, disrupted studying students in the Student Union, and blocked traffic at the intersection of Telegraph and Bancroft in front of campus.

http://heatst.com/culture-wars/left-wing-berkeley-protesters-demand-spaces-of-color-harass-white-students-trying-to-pass/

This incident would trouble me if it were possible for black people to be racist. Maybe someday when the country's demographic power structure changes and it will be possible for black people to be racist, I'll garner more outrage. In the meantime, I will be monitoring the mainstream media for the announcement that black people can officially be racist.
 
As a progressive white person, it really bothers me how every problem on the planet is entirely my fault. :(
 
Before white privilege rhetoric, what was fueling white nationalism?

Other similarly racist identity rhetoric coming from both the right and left. The OP isn't claiming that all of white nationalism was created by the recent increase in racist rhetoric that treats all "white people" as a monolithic equally guilty and negative group. The claim is that this recent rhetoric is helping to fuel a recent increase in white nationalism, and this is likely a major contributor to Trump's unexpected success.
 
Before white privilege rhetoric, what was fueling white nationalism?

Other similarly racist identity rhetoric coming from both the right and left. The OP isn't claiming that all of white nationalism was created by the recent increase in racist rhetoric that treats all "white people" as a monolithic equally guilty and negative group. The claim is that this recent rhetoric is helping to fuel a recent increase in white nationalism, and this is likely a major contributor to Trump's unexpected success.

So white privilege shouldn't be talked about?

Here is what I have learned in life. What I say, for the most part, doesn't make people feel or do anything, or at least anything they don't already want to do. They may use what I say as an excuse, but what I say or what the President says or what BLM says doesn't fuel anything. If BLM stood for Bologna & Liverwurst Matter and a white nationalist needed some excuse for his irrational beliefs, he would find a way to make cold cuts somehow responsible for all things wrong in the lives of white Americans.

Therefore I do my work and let others worry about their own hurt feelings about it.
 
Other similarly racist identity rhetoric coming from both the right and left. The OP isn't claiming that all of white nationalism was created by the recent increase in racist rhetoric that treats all "white people" as a monolithic equally guilty and negative group. The claim is that this recent rhetoric is helping to fuel a recent increase in white nationalism, and this is likely a major contributor to Trump's unexpected success.

So white privilege shouldn't be talked about?

We'd prefer it if you kept your religion to yourself.
 
As a progressive white person, it really bothers me how every problem on the planet is entirely my fault. :(

And when you get blamed for problems that are clearly not you fault what's the normal reaction: To lower one's opinion of those doing the blaming.
 
Other similarly racist identity rhetoric coming from both the right and left. The OP isn't claiming that all of white nationalism was created by the recent increase in racist rhetoric that treats all "white people" as a monolithic equally guilty and negative group. The claim is that this recent rhetoric is helping to fuel a recent increase in white nationalism, and this is likely a major contributor to Trump's unexpected success.

So white privilege shouldn't be talked about?

Here is what I have learned in life. What I say, for the most part, doesn't make people feel or do anything, or at least anything they don't already want to do. They may use what I say as an excuse, but what I say or what the President says or what BLM says doesn't fuel anything. If BLM stood for Bologna & Liverwurst Matter and a white nationalist needed some excuse for his irrational beliefs, he would find a way to make cold cuts somehow responsible for all things wrong in the lives of white Americans.

Therefore I do my work and let others worry about their own hurt feelings about it.

The study in the article indicates that directly addressing/challenging the idea of white supremacy and debunking its arguments is the better way to go, as well as doing assignments/tasks/videos that increase empathy towards non-whites. You can and should include information about past and currently existing racial disparities in the lesson, but the "white privilege" rhetoric further solidifies tribal thinking and identity, such thinking which leads whites to treat the white "race" as a special interest group in politics. The rhetoric also won't ring true to the lived experience of disadvantaged whites, members from which white supremacy groups draw their largest support with the victimhood and "liberal lies" rhetoric that such supremacist groups espouse - whose message will be all that more attractive.
 
Other similarly racist identity rhetoric coming from both the right and left. The OP isn't claiming that all of white nationalism was created by the recent increase in racist rhetoric that treats all "white people" as a monolithic equally guilty and negative group. The claim is that this recent rhetoric is helping to fuel a recent increase in white nationalism, and this is likely a major contributor to Trump's unexpected success.

So white privilege shouldn't be talked about?

No more than "black stupidity" should be talked about.
They are both fictions and racist assertions. So, intelligent and caring people who want to solve rather than create racial problems should only talk about them when attacking them for the ignorant and racist ideas that they are.

Using terms that pervert mere statistical trends that are correlated with race but with many countervailing instances into something that conveys a perfect correspondence inherent to racial differences is a bad and racist approach that will fuel racist sentiments generally.

Here is what I have learned in life. What I say, for the most part, doesn't make people feel or do anything, or at least anything they don't already want to do. They may use what I say as an excuse, but what I say or what the President says or what BLM says doesn't fuel anything. If BLM stood for Bologna & Liverwurst Matter and a white nationalist needed some excuse for his irrational beliefs, he would find a way to make cold cuts somehow responsible for all things wrong in the lives of white Americans.

Ah, so then you must also believe that nothing that any white people (including Trump, Hannity, Hilter, the head of the KKK) ever say about black people doesn't "make people [including black people] feel or do anything, and that people who complain about such racist rhetoric are just looking for any excuse to make someone else "somehow responsible for all things wrong in the lives of [black] Americans."

Or is this another in your countless string of hypocrisies where you reverse your core assumptions depending upon whether you are attacking whites or defending blacks?

Anyone that has made the slightest honest effort to understand racism knows that all people are prone toward it to some degree because it is rooted in the very basic human tendency to categorize things and make probabilistic assumptions and inferences about specific things based upon those categorizations. This combines with the basic human tendencies toward forming self-serving ideas that enhance one's own image at the expense of others and to look for scapegoats.

This relates to your comment of "at least anything they don't already want to do." It means, that to some degree, everyone "wants to" (IOW, is psychologically prone towards racism and other forms of destructive group identity beliefs. There is no changing that inherent human tendency, but their are ways to counter it and certainly ways to avoid fueling it, among them is to avoid rhetoric that over-sells the degree of relationships between race and other variables or implies that the relationship is directly due to race itself, which is true of just about any term that links a particular racial group as an adjective to modify a noun generally viewed as a positive or negative trait.

Rhetoric matters. It impacts culture, ideas, emotions, and actions. I have a hard time believing that you sincerely think otherwise, lest you know even less about the most basic findings of behavioral and social science than I can imagine. Your rhetoric isn't a neccessary nor sufficient cause for other's racism, but most of the causes of human psychology and behavior don't qualify as either neccessary or sufficient. Yet, they are still causes that increase the prevalence of the effects, and thus in this case "fuel white nationalism".
 
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