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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Harry Bosch said:
What's to make about Putin being afraid to meet with Pres Elensky in person to end the war?

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That would be unprecedented for presidents themselves to conduct negotiations.
Even Trump did not do that with Elensky. In fact, after that shitshow Elensky created at the signing nobody really is going to negotiate with that clown ever.
Putin suggested resuming negotiations which were stopped by the west in 2022.
And Elensky knows that Putin is not going to participate. So it's all show for Elensky, he is the one who is not interested in actual negotiations.
 
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barbos said:
Harry Bosch said:
What's to make about Putin being afraid to meet with Pres Elensky in person to end the war?

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That would be unprecedented for presidents themselves to conduct negotiations.
Even Trump did not do that with Elensky. In fact, after that shitshow Elensky created at the signing nobody really is going to negotiate with that clown ever.
Putin suggested resuming negotiations which were stopped by the west in 2022.
And Elensky knows that Putin is not going to participate. So it's all show for Elensky,
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Actually, it'd be the Ukrainian President calling Putin's bluff. Trump put this idea forward at Putin's behest as a trap make Ukraine step back and refuse to negotiate. Putin's response since the acceptance appears to provide support for this.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Actually, it'd be the Ukrainian President calling Putin's bluff.
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Utter bullshit.
Putin never suggested that he would be meeting with Elensky. He suggested resuming 2022 negotiations. And again, presidents never actually take part in negotiations, let alone with clowns like Elensky.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Trump put this idea forward at Putin's behest as a trap make Ukraine step back and refuse to negotiate
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Where do you even get this shit?
In any case, Elensky is free to come and participate in negotiations, but there won't be Putin there. There will be a team of negotiators from Russian Federation.
 
barbos said:
Harry Bosch said:
What's to make about Putin being afraid to meet with Pres Elensky in person to end the war?

MSN

www.msn.com
M
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That would be unprecedented for presidents themselves to conduct negotiations.
Even Trump did not do that with Elensky. In fact, after that shitshow Elensky created at the signing nobody really is going to negotiate with that clown ever.
Putin suggested resuming negotiations which were stopped by the west in 2022.
And Elensky knows that Putin is not going to participate. So it's all show for Elensky, he is the one who is not interested in actual negotiations.
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Your childish name calling gets very tiresome. And it should be against forum guidelines for you to quote my post and then change my quote to fit your name calling.
 
Harry Bosch said:
barbos said:
Harry Bosch said:
What's to make about Putin being afraid to meet with Pres Elensky in person to end the war?

MSN

www.msn.com
M
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That would be unprecedented for presidents themselves to conduct negotiations.
Even Trump did not do that with Elensky. In fact, after that shitshow Elensky created at the signing nobody really is going to negotiate with that clown ever.
Putin suggested resuming negotiations which were stopped by the west in 2022.
And Elensky knows that Putin is not going to participate. So it's all show for Elensky, he is the one who is not interested in actual negotiations.
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Your childish name calling gets very tiresome. And it should be against forum guidelines for you to quote my post and then change my quote to fit your name calling.
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You (the west) started it (childish name-calling ) first. So you must suffer.
 
LOL, Budanov lost concentration and started speaking in russian but got back to "mova" very quickly
www.gazeta.ru

Глава ГУР Украины заговорил на русском языке в прямом эфире - Газета.Ru | Новости

Глава ГУР Буданов забылся и перешел на русский язык в эфире украинского ТВ
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Speaking of which, Ukrainian delegation in Istanbul were publicly speaking in Ukrainian, but once doors Turks left and closed doors, switched to russian :D
 
The following showed up in my newsfeed (from Quora poster MJ ?). I don't follow Ukraine news, so don't know what to think. Comments?

These men just played Trump...
[insert photo of Zelensky and 4 top European leaders, all smiling]

They found a way to try and drive a wedge between him and Putin.

Yesterday, the leaders of France, Germany, Poland, and the UK gathered in a room with Zelensky. They then made an unscheduled phone call to Trump.

In that call, they disclosed a plan to give Putin an ultimatum: agree to a 30-day ceasefire and begin negotiations for peace, or they would supply Ukraine with overwhelming military support and coordinate additional sanctions that could suffocate a Russian economy finally beginning to show the mortal wounds of economic isolation.

In this call, they convinced Trump that this threat alone would force Putin to the negotiating table.

And they convinced Trump that if this worked... he would get the plaudits.

The truth is, they know Putin doesn't want peace. As I've explained countless times, anyone who actually understands Putin and his geopolitical priorities knows he doesn't want a democratic Ukraine to survive.

Trump, evidently, has failed to grasp this. He still sees everything as a real estate deal and fails to appreciate the deeper ideological aspirations at play.

He is also notoriously easy to persuade, especially by someone like Macron. Starmer, meanwhile, is Trump's new best friend after he went along with his charade of a bilateral trade agreement. They've been buttering him up for this whole time.

Macron, Starmer, Merz, Tusk, and Zelensky appealed to Trump's vanity and his ignorance... and it looks like it worked.

They managed to get his verbal approval for the ultimatum during the call. And before anyone had the chance to explain the implications to Trump... they announced it. One by one, they gave speeches to the media where they made it absolutely clear that Trump was in on the deal. The USA was party to the ultimatum.

Putin then had to either accept an immediate ceasefire by Monday... or defy Trump.

As expected, before the deadline even came close, Putin rejected the offer outright. Because he does not want peace.

Trump has now effectively sanctioned the European plan for complete and unrestricted support of the Ukrainian military and agreed to cooperate on additional economic sanctions on Russia.

Just like that, the USA appears to be back on Ukraine's side, and it's all thanks to an unscheduled phone call.

I don't know whose plan it was, but it was brilliant.
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