How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Harry Bosch]

Again, you are not a student of European history. Read up on Yugoslavia and then I'll debate you.

NATO according to your own logic had no right to involve itself with sovereign country named Yugoslavia.
Moreover pretext they used was a lie. Same as with Iraq, Vietnam, .......

Again, read up on the conflict. Educate yourself first. Then start a new thread, and I'll engage.

 

[barbos]

And it's irrelevant. Even without all that nazi shit Kiev does, they still don't have a right to prostitute themselves with Russia's enemies. It's a question of Russian security. Russia can not allow US in Ukraine, period!
You can be all great and beautiful and we still will have to fuck you up if you decide to have US in your country.
Put that in your little heads. We know who you are! You are scum!

 

[barbos]

Of course. This is what an imperialist would say. You want to impose your will on others. You want to take away their choice

Fuck!
People in Odessa did not choose to burn themselves alive. Kiev regime chose it for them
People in Eastern Ukraine choose to speak russian, but it did not matter to your nazi scum!

 

[Harry Bosch]

Of course. This is what an imperialist would say. You want to impose your will on others. You want to take away their choice

Fuck!
People in Odessa did not choose to burn themselves alive. Kiev regime chose it for them
People in Eastern Ukraine choose to speak russian, but it did not matter to your nazi scum!

Again, you need to educate yourself. I'm not going to continue to spoon-feed everything to you. Look at a map. Odessa is a city in Ukraine. It is not a Russian city. What happens in Odess should be decided by Ukrainians. Period end of story.

 

[barbos]

Of course. This is what an imperialist would say. You want to impose your will on others. You want to take away their choice

Fuck!
People in Odessa did not choose to burn themselves alive. Kiev regime chose it for them
People in Eastern Ukraine choose to speak russian, but it did not matter to your nazi scum!

Again, you need to educate yourself. I'm not going to continue to spoon-feed everything to you. Look at a map. Odessa is a city in Ukraine. It is not a Russian city.

That's rich coming from american.

What happens in Odess should be decided by Ukrainians. Period end of story.

That's rich coming from american.
What happened in Odessa is a direct result of ...... american involvement in Ukraine.
In case you did not study that in your "history"
You are disgusting in your lame attempts to teach me my own history.

 

[ZiprHead]

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We did not invade Ukraine. We were invited by democratically elected governments of these republics to protect them from nazi regime US installed by a coup. And Ukraine never had any nukes in the first place.
Also NATO promised not to expand and broke that promise so any hypothetical promise by Russia is null and void.

Yikes. I'm at a loss at how to reason with someone who would state and believe the above. I've had more sane discussions talking with Branch Davidians.

This is why NATO needs to be dramatically strengthened to avoid more war with Russia. They have an imperialist for a leader with an incredibly naive population that enjoys war for entertainment.

No, I am at a loss at how to reason with you who state ridiculous BS.
The war was started by nazi you installed in Kiev. Current regime in Kiev has no legitimacy in Eastern Ukraine. Eastern Ukraine was not even participating in elections, forget about illegality of banning non-nazi candidates.

That because it was under control of Russia. Russia illegally invaded those areas in 2014.



If the parts of Eastern Ukraine were allowed to vote it would have made no difference to the outcome. Zelenskyy was overwhelmingly the choice of Ukraine.

 

[barbos]

If the parts of Eastern Ukraine were allowed to vote it would have made no difference to the outcome. Zelenskyy was overwhelmingly the choice of Ukraine.

And you know why was that?

 

[barbos]

That because it was under control of Russia. Russia illegally invaded those areas in 2014.

It does not matter. They voted that they want to speak and actually be in Russia as before.

 

[ZiprHead]

Or did you think it would be a cake walk like so many of the troops did? Over in a week or two?

It is common knowledge that we thought that Kiev regime would crumble immediately.
We did not take into account level of ukrainian corruption.

It was corruption that routed the Russian invasion and the tank column that got almost totally destroyed?

 

[barbos]

Fucking americans teach me a russian history. You barely know your own history

 

[barbos]

Or did you think it would be a cake walk like so many of the troops did? Over in a week or two?

It is common knowledge that we thought that Kiev regime would crumble immediately.
We did not take into account level of ukrainian corruption.

It was corruption that routed the Russian invasion and the tank column that got almost totally destroyed?

Yep! And no, it did not destroy anything.

 

[ZiprHead]

If the parts of Eastern Ukraine were allowed to vote it would have made no difference to the outcome. Zelenskyy was overwhelmingly the choice of Ukraine.

And you know why was that?

Yes, because he got more votes than could be overcome by the votes of the occupied territories.

 

[barbos]

If the parts of Eastern Ukraine were allowed to vote it would have made no difference to the outcome. Zelenskyy was overwhelmingly the choice of Ukraine.

And you know why was that?

Yes, because he got more votes than could be overcome by the votes of the occupied territories.

No, he got elected becasue he promised to settle war with Russia and allow russian language.
...
After he got elected, he suddenly forgot about these promises after Nuland nazis told him that he is a dead man if he does not.

 

[ZiprHead]

That because it was under control of Russia. Russia illegally invaded those areas in 2014.

It does not matter. They voted that they want to speak and actually be in Russia as before.

Then why didn't they just pack their bags and make the very short trip to the Russian border and leave?

 

[barbos]

That because it was under control of Russia. Russia illegally invaded those areas in 2014.

It does not matter. They voted that they want to speak and actually be in Russia as before.

Then why didn't they just pack their bags and make the very short trip to the Russian border and leave?

There is no need to pack anything. Land is russian, they are russian, they voted to be in Russia and that's was the end of it.

But that's a great idea, go and tell that to people of Kosovo. Considering that they are in fact invaders(the land is actually serbian)