How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Copernicus]

I'm not sure why you are bringing up the Hindustan Times here. I did cite a BBC article.

Sorry for the confusion. I was merely trying to illustrate the fact that some news sources are seriously biased. For example Russia is bringing its T62 tanks out of mothballs because their newer tanks are being destroyed. The Hindustan Times wrote this up as the Russians bringing their fiercest tanks into battle and that Ukraine better look out. It's like that. So barbos's position is understandable if his sources are highly compromised.

My assumption is that he is aware of the biases in his sources. I think that he comes here to get information about how Russia is perceived by outsiders and to play foot soldier in the propaganda war that is permeating social media. Not everything he says is insincere, but a lot of it is just to provoke outrage, knowing full well that some of the claims he makes are just nonsensical.

 

[barbos]

Also, my earlier post demonstrated that there is much censorship of information. We don't have that problem in the U.S. This 16 minute video is worth watching for those who don't understand what it is like to live in the Russian police state.

You have worse problem than Russia.
Virtually everything you can hear is a lie, everything and you believe it because you are convinced that your media is truthful. In Russia we have a history of mistrust of official information and government is aware of that when they "lie".

Your government and Media does not have that problem and can lie without consequences. All MSM is effectively owned by MIC and neocons.
People eat the same shit, democrat, republican, does not matter, the same damn shit. You ate everything your neocon governmnents tells you about their foreign affairs. Average american is still utterly oblivious about shit your neocon scam does abroad. You can bitch all day long about significant or insignificant internal disagreements but when it comes to foreign affairs you all go along. You went along with Bush illegal wars, you went along with Obama illegal wars, you went along with Biden illegal wars. Same with Clinton and assholes before him.


Example I stumbled upon couple of weeks ago. It's about that nuclear power plant.
Your lying media reported "The Power plant which Russia has been shelling was put back on line (by Ukraine)"

In Reality, It was not put online. and it was not shelled by Russia (Ukraine was shelling it). It was connected to Ukrainian grid in order to maintain its shutdown status. IAEA convinced ukrainian imbeciles they had to do that for safety reasons.
Nevertheless ukrainian scam has kept on shelling it.

Your media are filthy liars.

 

[laughing dog]

As long as the West continues to arm Ukraine, Russia will continue to get its ass handed back to them.

 

[Patooka]

Hehe, barbos be like;

 

[barbos]

Patooka, just because your shitty media does not report it, does not mean it's not so.

Yes, ukrainian army is using drugs. That's not really a secret. Russian forces more than likely use them too. The question WHICH drugs and on what scale.
US army, by the way, using drugs as well. German invented amphetamine and everyone including Hitler was using it. Well, Hitler used everything, and Zelensky is clearly using something (just look at some videos)

 

[Patooka]

Patooka, just because your shitty media does not report it, does not mean it's not so.

Yes, ukrainian army is using drugs. That's not really a secret. Russian forces more than likely use them too. The question WHICH drugs and on what scale.
US army, by the way, using drugs as well. German invented amphetamine and everyone including Hitler was using it. Well, Hitler used everything, and Zelensky is clearly using something (just look at some videos)

We all know Ukrainians are using drugs. They're on Psycho and Buffout. And Biden's been shipping them Rad-X and Radaway in case Putin drops a nuke on them. Next week is when we unleash the deathclaws into Russian cities.

 

[Jarhyn]

Patooka, just because your shitty media does not report it, does not mean it's not so.

Yes, ukrainian army is using drugs. That's not really a secret. Russian forces more than likely use them too. The question WHICH drugs and on what scale.
US army, by the way, using drugs as well. German invented amphetamine and everyone including Hitler was using it. Well, Hitler used everything, and Zelensky is clearly using something (just look at some videos)

We all know Ukrainians are using drugs. They're on Psycho and Buffout. And Biden's been shipping them Rad-X and Radaway in case Putin drops a nuke on them. Next week is when we unleash the deathclaws into Russian cities.

The Fallout of such a conflict would be terrible!

Then again, War, War Never Changes

 

[Elixir]

Russian forces more than likely use them too. The question WHICH drugs and on what scale.

I want to know what the Putler is using. That beady-eyed-yet-vacant vacant stare is not natural. Hard to tell as a non-Russian speaker, but listening to him, it sounds like his enunciation is suffering too, but maybe that's just the nature of the language ...
I'm thinking he's probably on Xanax, to suppress the well-warranted panic attacks that he would otherwise be suffering. The resulting cognitive dysfunction and memory impairment are probably giving fits to his immediate underlings.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Russian forces more than likely use them too. The question WHICH drugs and on what scale.

I want to know what the Putler is using. That beady-eyed-yet-vacant vacant stare is not natural. Hard to tell as a non-Russian speaker, but listening to him, it sounds like his enunciation is suffering too, but maybe that's just the nature of the language ...
I'm thinking he's probably on Xanax, to suppress the well-warranted panic attacks that he would otherwise be suffering. The resulting cognitive dysfunction and memory impairment are probably giving fits to his immediate underlings.

Agreed. Hitler had his meth. Putin has something and it ain't vodka.

 

[Copernicus]

Also, my earlier post demonstrated that there is much censorship of information. We don't have that problem in the U.S. This 16 minute video is worth watching for those who don't understand what it is like to live in the Russian police state.

You have worse problem than Russia.
Virtually everything you can hear is a lie, everything and you believe it because you are convinced that your media is truthful. In Russia we have a history of mistrust of official information and government is aware of that when they "lie".

Your government and Media does not have that problem and can lie without consequences. All MSM is effectively owned by MIC and neocons.
People eat the same shit, democrat, republican, does not matter, the same damn shit. You ate everything your neocon governmnents tells you about their foreign affairs. Average american is still utterly oblivious about shit your neocon scam does abroad. You can bitch all day long about significant or insignificant internal disagreements but when it comes to foreign affairs you all go along. You went along with Bush illegal wars, you went along with Obama illegal wars, you went along with Biden illegal wars. Same with Clinton and assholes before him.


Example I stumbled upon couple of weeks ago. It's about that nuclear power plant.
Your lying media reported "The Power plant which Russia has been shelling was put back on line (by Ukraine)"

In Reality, It was not put online. and it was not shelled by Russia (Ukraine was shelling it). It was connected to Ukrainian grid in order to maintain its shutdown status. IAEA convinced ukrainian imbeciles they had to do that for safety reasons.
Nevertheless ukrainian scam has kept on shelling it.

Your media are filthy liars.

Projection on steroids. It doesn't hurt as much when everyone else is just as corrupt and evil. Russia can do it to themselves and others, because the US does it too and the US is just like Russia.

 

[Elixir]

Projection on steroids.

Yeah. But I bet you don’t know how to say “I know you are but what am I“ in Russian!

 

[Jayjay]

Also, my earlier post demonstrated that there is much censorship of information. We don't have that problem in the U.S. This 16 minute video is worth watching for those who don't understand what it is like to live in the Russian police state.

You have worse problem than Russia.
Virtually everything you can hear is a lie, everything and you believe it because you are convinced that your media is truthful. In Russia we have a history of mistrust of official information and government is aware of that when they "lie".

Then why do you believe everything that Russian media says with zero criticism?

The pretense that Rusian are somehow more critical of media because of Soviet era is nonsense, evidenced by the fact that people who are old enough to remember the USSR are more likely to believe Putin's propaganda and support the war. The reason is that Putin is tapping into the same anti-western paranoia that the Soviet Union had cultivated. When Putin says that NATO is waging a secret war to destroy Russia, it resonates with homo sovieticus because it appeals to nostalgia and the same bullshit their were fed when they were younger.

Your government and Media does not have that problem and can lie without consequences. All MSM is effectively owned by MIC and neocons.

Then don't watch "MSM". In the west, unlike Russia, there's a freedom of press and if CNN or BBC gets something wrong, they have to correct it because someone will call them on it. And despite corporate bias, they can't outright make up stuff like Russian propagandists can.

Example I stumbled upon couple of weeks ago. It's about that nuclear power plant.
Your lying media reported "The Power plant which Russia has been shelling was put back on line (by Ukraine)"

In Reality, It was not put online. and it was not shelled by Russia (Ukraine was shelling it). It was connected to Ukrainian grid in order to maintain its shutdown status. IAEA convinced ukrainian imbeciles they had to do that for safety reasons.
Nevertheless ukrainian scam has kept on shelling it.

Your media are filthy liars.

Except that there doesn't seem to be any evidence of shelling by Ukraine at ZNPP. The IAEA team who visited noticed a shell that clear came from Russian side:

Video shows Russian official trying to convince nuclear inspectors a rocket turned 180 degrees before landing near Ukraine's nuclear plant

IAEA inspectors visited Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia plant, saying they wanted to "prevent a nuclear accident" after repeated shelling nearby.

www.businessinsider.com

When you "fact check" western sources against utter lies spread by Russian propaganda, which you never question, then of course western media looks incomprehensible to you.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Example I stumbled upon couple of weeks ago. It's about that nuclear power plant.
Your lying media reported "The Power plant which Russia has been shelling was put back on line (by Ukraine)"

In Reality, It was not put online. and it was not shelled by Russia (Ukraine was shelling it). It was connected to Ukrainian grid in order to maintain its shutdown status. IAEA convinced ukrainian imbeciles they had to do that for safety reasons.
Nevertheless ukrainian scam has kept on shelling it.

Your media are filthy liars.

A perfect example of the fact that you're going on disinformation.

You say they are imbeciles because they had to be convinced the plant needs to be connected. No, anyone who runs a nuclear plant perfectly well knows they must be connected to the grid. If a nuclear plant goes without power you get a Fukushima. That's been known for ages, that's why the requirement for multiple independent sources of power. An operating plant can provide it's own power so being disconnected it's an automatic fubar, but someday it will go down and you have to be prepared for that day.

Ukraine knows this, they aren't going to mess with the connections. The chance that they shell the power wires is basically zero. Russia, however, has been engaging in continuing war crimes of attacking utilities that have no military value. Cutting those power wires is very much something Russia would do. Just because you don't think the good guys would hit a particular target doesn't mean Russia won't. Note that we aren't the only ones with satellites up there that can keep an eye on things--are all the space powers cooperating in this massive conspiracy?? The idea that something like that could be kept secret is laughable!

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Video shows Russian official trying to convince nuclear inspectors a rocket turned 180 degrees before landing near Ukraine's nuclear plant

IAEA inspectors visited Ukraine's Zaporizhzhia plant, saying they wanted to "prevent a nuclear accident" after repeated shelling nearby.

www.businessinsider.com

When you "fact check" western sources against utter lies spread by Russian propaganda, which you never question, then of course western media looks incomprehensible to you.

Of course it turned 180 degrees. That's the official line, it has to be true. Strangely, the IAEA doesn't go along with that.

 

[Jayjay]

Example I stumbled upon couple of weeks ago. It's about that nuclear power plant.
Your lying media reported "The Power plant which Russia has been shelling was put back on line (by Ukraine)"

In Reality, It was not put online. and it was not shelled by Russia (Ukraine was shelling it). It was connected to Ukrainian grid in order to maintain its shutdown status. IAEA convinced ukrainian imbeciles they had to do that for safety reasons.
Nevertheless ukrainian scam has kept on shelling it.

Your media are filthy liars.

A perfect example of the fact that you're going on disinformation.

You say they are imbeciles because they had to be convinced the plant needs to be connected. No, anyone who runs a nuclear plant perfectly well knows they must be connected to the grid. If a nuclear plant goes without power you get a Fukushima. That's been known for ages, that's why the requirement for multiple independent sources of power. An operating plant can provide it's own power so being disconnected it's an automatic fubar, but someday it will go down and you have to be prepared for that day.

Ukraine knows this, they aren't going to mess with the connections. The chance that they shell the power wires is basically zero. Russia, however, has been engaging in continuing war crimes of attacking utilities that have no military value. Cutting those power wires is very much something Russia would do. Just because you don't think the good guys would hit a particular target doesn't mean Russia won't. Note that we aren't the only ones with satellites up there that can keep an eye on things--are all the space powers cooperating in this massive conspiracy?? The idea that something like that could be kept secret is laughable!

Exactly. The narrative barbos is selling doesn't make a lick of sense. Russia is the one who wants Ukraine to suffer, as evidenced by the fact that it has destroyed 40% of Ukrainian electricity infrastructure. Ukraine needs any electricity it can get. There is just no advantage for Ukraine to cut the connection to ZNPP to cause a meltdown, because they'd cut their own power off at the same time.

 

[Jayjay]

Regarding overall situation, I think now Ukraine has taken back everything that it can. The Kharkiv front is stuck, and Russia will likely make some gains as time goes by. But Ukraine isn't ready to negotiate yet, so it's in a bind. I think the US is slowly going to get tired of funding Ukraine as well, with republicans taking the house and the looming threat of China.

My prediction is that the current frontline (more or less, Russia probably will capture some towns in Donetsk) is going to freeze and become the new border, but the war will continue for at least until next summer. Let's see in 6 months if I was right, I hope not.

If Ukraine wants to prevail, it has to get more efficient at counter-battery fire and shooting down Russian UAVs.

 

[Elixir]

I think the US is slowly going to get tired of funding Ukraine as well, with republicans taking the house and the looming threat of China

* Don’t concede too much to Republican “control” of the House. It will be razor thin, and it won’t be easy for the fractured Trump party to herd 218 of their 219-222 cats.
* Failure to continue funding Ukranian independence/defense would embolden China re Taiwan. Even (some) Republicans know that.

 

[blastula]

Ye should probably denounce these messages and crimes.

'Kanye was rite': Jewish cemetery vandalized with swastikas in suburban Chicago

Hate strikes in the suburbs of Chicago, as Jewish headstones were spray-painted with swastikas and more.

www.fox32chicago.com

 

[TV and credit cards]

So Russian missiles hit Poland. What now?
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-missiles-cross-into-nato-member-poland-report/a-63770954

 

[Copernicus]

So Russian missiles hit Poland. What now?
https://www.dw.com/en/russian-missiles-cross-into-nato-member-poland-report/a-63770954

The question is whether those missile strikes were plausibly a mistake. If not, then the sites from which they were launched should be destroyed. Otherwise, Russia should pay reparations, which might be politically impossible for Putin. This kind of escalation, either deliberate or by mistake, was what everyone has been dreading, ever since Putin invaded Ukraine. It is beyond stupid.