How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Jason Harvestdancer]

It turns out there is an American neo-Nazi trying to train a militia to go to Ukraine to fight against the Russians. Of course he is setting up his compound in Maine, not a Southern state. He plans to fight against the Russians and along side the Azov Battalion.

Neo-Nazi leader establishes training site in Maine
American Neo-Nazi Training Forces in Maine to Fight for Ukraine

[Pohlhaus] he posted, “There will likely not be another chance in my lifetime to fight alongside other [National Socialist] men against a multi-ethnic invading empire to defend an almost all white nation.”

 

[barbos]

Elensky ran on promise to end the war in Donbas, meaning he would negotiate it. He obviously broke that promise.

It's not like Zelensky could make any promises on behalf of Putin. Zelensky asked Putin to negotiate multiple times, but Putin refused.

Asked? he negotiated, then came Boris and said "Fuck No!"

 

[barbos]

Russian military was defeated in Afghanistan, and it didn't nuke anyone.

If that's your thinking then it would be very rude awakening for you.
Russia was not defeated in Afghanistan. Even Russian military was not defeated Afghanistan. And Afghanistan was not Russia.



I notitced that western propaganda has this weird inconsistency. On the one hand they describe Putin as irrational and unpredictable maniac bent on world domination. On the other hand they say "Oh, he will not nuke us, despite all these provocations", In meantime we will keep talking about russians ..... nuking us.

 

[barbos]

You also thought the Kharkiv video was fake. And that Bucha massacre never happened.

Kharkiv video IS fake, until you explain missing missiles.
Bucha did not happen the way western media portrays.

BBC apologized for inaccuracies in its report, but I'm not sure if it ever admitted to the hospital footage being staged.

What inaccuracies????
They totally admitted that video was staged.

The whole "Assad is using chemical weapons" was a western organized lie and BBC took an active role in it.

 

[Copernicus]

It turns out there is an American neo-Nazi trying to train a militia to go to Ukraine to fight against the Russians. Of course he is setting up his compound in Maine, not a Southern state. He plans to fight against the Russians and along side the Azov Battalion.

Neo-Nazi leader establishes training site in Maine
American Neo-Nazi Training Forces in Maine to Fight for Ukraine

[Pohlhaus] he posted, “There will likely not be another chance in my lifetime to fight alongside other [National Socialist] men against a multi-ethnic invading empire to defend an almost all white nation.”

The first article cited in your post says nothing at all about Ukraine and seems to be sourced primarily from information found on Telegram, a messaging service originating in Eastern Europe and very popular in Russia and Ukraine. The second article is a story for a Libertarian site that seems to be sourced solely from a Twitter account. Pohlhaus has shown up recently in social media, and it is far from clear whether he is trying to help Ukraine or Russia by establishing himself as pro-Ukraine and anti-Putin. His neo-Nazi stance obviously fits well with Putin's narrative about Ukraine, but it has already been well-established that there are extreme right wing groups, including neo-Nazis, backing both sides of this war. It's hard to find any reliable sources that confirm this Twitter-based story that he really intends to fight in the war or take Ukraine's side in it.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

41km as the crow flies. Oops. Wrong Urozhaine.

The situation at the front lines is difficult, but nothing is as difficult as the Ukrainian geography quiz.

They've got three five Urozhaines, for example.

The US has sixty seven Springfields (not including the fictional one the Simpsons live in), so it's going to be even harder to follow the progress of the Canadian invasion.

I'm sure we have a lot more than that:

M1903 Springfield - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

While it's no longer in service I would be amazed if there aren't a ton of them still around.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I notitced that western propaganda has this weird inconsistency. On the one hand they describe Putin as irrational and unpredictable maniac bent on world domination. On the other hand they say "Oh, he will not nuke us, despite all these provocations", In meantime we will keep talking about russians ..... nuking us.

He is irrational and unpredictable but he's not so crazy as to cross the nuclear line.

 

[barbos]

I notitced that western propaganda has this weird inconsistency. On the one hand they describe Putin as irrational and unpredictable maniac bent on world domination. On the other hand they say "Oh, he will not nuke us, despite all these provocations", In meantime we will keep talking about russians ..... nuking us.

He is irrational and unpredictable but he's not so crazy as to cross the nuclear line.

That's not the only line you think Russia would not cross. That's all the while you keep crossing lines.

 

[TV and credit cards]

How's the ruble doing?

Tumbling rouble claws back ground as central bank to meet

The tumbling rouble reversed course late on Monday, rising back to the strong side of 100 against the dollar after Russia's central bank sparked expectations of another hefty rate hike in announcing an extraordinary policy meeting for Tuesday.

www.reuters.com

Russian Ruble to US Dollar Exchange Rate Chart | Xe

RUB to USD currency chart. XE’s free live currency conversion chart for Russian Ruble to US Dollar allows you to pair exchange rate history for up to 10 years.

www.xe.com

Not the reactionary spike of March 2022 but looks to be more of a structural downward trajectory to settle in lower as it did after March of 2014. Goody, goody gumdrops.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[ZiprHead]

Russian warship fires warning shots at cargo ship in Black Sea | Russia | The Guardian

Action marks first time Russia has fired on merchant shipping beyond Ukraine since exiting grain deal

amp.theguardian.com

 

[Tigers!]

UK, Australia, NZ, Canada and USA etc. held elections during WW2 and WW1. Granted a war can make it much harder to hold an election but it is not a reason to not hold an election.
It will burnish Ukraine's credentials to hold the election.

Quick question; how much of Australia, NZ, Canada and USA etc were occupied or an active battlefield during WWI and WWII? That does have a very subtle and ever so slightly meaningful impact on the electoral process. I'm pretty certain if the Blitz happened during the election the Poms would put that on pause for a bit.

As I said it does make an election harder. But if Zelensky and Ukraine do not want to give their opponents (Bardos et al) ammunition to accuse them of creating a dictatorship then they need to make a valiant attempt.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Pentagon starts doling out that $6.2 billion accounting error to Ukraine with an initial $200 million weapons shipment.
This ought to keep them going for awhile.

So this accounting error occurred when previous weapons shipments were valued at replacement cost instead of depreciated value.
Replacement cost. Silly Millie.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I thought this was a bit of good news:

Russia's central bank makes huge interest rate hike to try to prop up falling ruble

It's standard monetary policy and doesn't mean Russia is in crisis, but it does mean waging Russian Hitler's invasion has its costs.

 

[Jayjay]

Elensky ran on promise to end the war in Donbas, meaning he would negotiate it. He obviously broke that promise.

It's not like Zelensky could make any promises on behalf of Putin. Zelensky asked Putin to negotiate multiple times, but Putin refused.

Asked? he negotiated, then came Boris and said "Fuck No!"

I was referring to 2020-2021, before the war.

As for Boris Johnson, his visit had nothing to do with the failure of the negotiation track. The negotiations in 2022 fell apart because Russian massacre in Bucha came to light. After that, any kind of capitulation became impossible.

 

[Jayjay]

Russian military was defeated in Afghanistan, and it didn't nuke anyone.

If that's your thinking then it would be very rude awakening for you.
Russia was not defeated in Afghanistan. Even Russian military was not defeated Afghanistan. And Afghanistan was not Russia.

Ukraine is also not Russia. And I'd be fine with Russia being "not defeated" in Ukraine, if it means complete withdrawal as in Afghanistan.

I notitced that western propaganda has this weird inconsistency. On the one hand they describe Putin as irrational and unpredictable maniac bent on world domination. On the other hand they say "Oh, he will not nuke us, despite all these provocations", In meantime we will keep talking about russians ..... nuking us.

It doesn't matter whether he's rational or irrational. Giving in to nuclear blackmail would be dumb in either case. If he is rational, then capitulating to his demands means there will be new demands tomorrow. If he's irrational, then we can't trust he won't nuke the world regardless of what we do.

 

[Jayjay]

You also thought the Kharkiv video was fake. And that Bucha massacre never happened.

Kharkiv video IS fake, until you explain missing missiles.

I've explained it, and you already conceded that point. On the other hand, you haven't explained why the person who you claim "faking" the video did not add it to one frame. Or how the mine on street level blew up a hole in the ceiling of the building.

Bucha did not happen the way western media portrays.

Yes, it did. And the same thing has been shown to happen everywhere where Russia was forced to withdraw: Sumy, Izuym, Kherson. It wasn't an isolated incident, it was a systematic policy of "filtration" in all the occupied territories. Only differences between Bucha and Mariupol are that Russia was able to hide the evidence in Mariupol... and Mariupol is ten times bigger, so ten times worse.

BBC apologized for inaccuracies in its report, but I'm not sure if it ever admitted to the hospital footage being staged.

What inaccuracies????
They totally admitted that video was staged.

Source?

Oh right, you don't deal with "sources" or "evidence" or other western MSM claptrap.

BBC's retractions are on their website and were widely publicized. But they didn't seem to deal with any footage being staged.

The whole "Assad is using chemical weapons" was a western organized lie and BBC took an active role in it.

Not according to OPCW or any authority on the matter. Assad's people were caught on tape dropping chemical weapons from a helicopter at least in one occasion. And if they did it once, they probably did it other times as well.

 

[Jayjay]

I thought this was a bit of good news:

Russia's central bank makes huge interest rate hike to try to prop up falling ruble

It's standard monetary policy and doesn't mean Russia is in crisis, but it does mean waging Russian Hitler's invasion has its costs.

The Russian central bank has been rather competent in saving the ruble from crashing already in 2022. But eventually, real economy will start to bite back. My hope is that this will really start to impact the elites in Moscow, and they start questioning if the war is worth it. I doubt their opinions matter much though.

 

[barbos]

I've explained it, and you already conceded that point.

What the fuck are you talking about?????

On the other hand, you haven't explained why the person who you claim "faking" the video did not add it to one frame

I don't have to. But if you insist, then here it is. Ukrainian piece of shit had a video of an explosion without missile (obviosuly.)
then he had a separate video of a real missile falling to the ground. He removed background around missile, assigned alfa-channel to it. and merged frames from two videos. Problem is, video of a missile was at a lower frame rate, therefore result is missing missile on some of the frames. He should have put a little more into this scam. But they are lazy.
The end.

No, wait. One more thing I feel I need to repeat to you again (cause your memory is not good). "Missile" "hit" a tree line before the building.
In itself it does not prove much but it is consistent with explosive device being placed hidden in the the trees. That must be some "coincidence".

 

[barbos]

You also thought the Kharkiv video was fake. And that Bucha massacre never happened.

Kharkiv video IS fake, until you explain missing missiles.

I've explained it, and you already conceded that point. On the other hand, you haven't explained why the person who you claim "faking" the video did not add it to one frame. Or how the mine on street level blew up a hole in the ceiling of the building.

Bucha did not happen the way western media portrays.

Yes, it did. And the same thing has been shown to happen everywhere where Russia was forced to withdraw: Sumy, Izuym, Kherson. It wasn't an isolated incident, it was a systematic policy of "filtration" in all the occupied territories. Only differences between Bucha and Mariupol are that Russia was able to hide the evidence in Mariupol... and Mariupol is ten times bigger, so ten times worse.

BBC apologized for inaccuracies in its report, but I'm not sure if it ever admitted to the hospital footage being staged.

What inaccuracies????
They totally admitted that video was staged.

Source?

I gave it to you the first time. The source is their reply to RT banning in GB. In it they TACITLY admit that video was staged.
They basically said "Contrary to the RT claims, We did not take any part in it" That implies that video was staged but BBC were not involved in staging.

Oh right, you don't deal with "sources" or "evidence" or other western MSM claptrap.

BBC's retractions are on their website and were widely publicized. But they didn't seem to deal with any footage being staged.

The whole "Assad is using chemical weapons" was a western organized lie and BBC took an active role in it.

Not according to OPCW or any authority on the matter. Assad's people were caught on tape dropping chemical weapons from a helicopter at least in one occasion. And if they did it once, they probably did it other times as well.

OPCW, LOL. Like they can be trusted not to follow what scum in washington orders them to do.
People in all these world organizations are just people, and they know if US is not happy with them it will hurt.

There are countless examples of this. Atomic energy organization covering for Ukraine. Hell, US just ordered Pakistan to remove their PM, because he was not pro-ukrainian enough.