How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Also, Regime in Washington made a statement about Ukraine's non-involvement in 50 minutes after the news.
That suggests that they either knew everything (and did not properly warn russians) or they thought that ukrainians might be involved.

You were warned. We publicly warned Americans about it too. That is on Putin and Russian intelligence... assuming they didn't allow it, which is suspect as the response to the attack was so slow.

Clearly there was enough chatter for us to ID the location and the attack before it happened. And of course, it is a bit quicker to ID chatter when you know what you are looking for.

Public warning was worthless as far as helping to catch anybody. Compare your worthless warning to russian warning about Tsarnaev, where we gave you the name and you did nothing.

 

[barbos]

Had they tried to slip into Finland, would that have meant Finland was responsible?

It's weight of evidence which we have now.

 

[barbos]

Oddly enough, the emergency response by Russia was so slow, gotta wonder what that was all about... especially after being warned.

It was reported to be slow initially. But it was not actually. Terrorists did not spend much time and left just before people with guns arrived.
Now, explain US regime response, where they exonerated Ukraine almost before russian response team reached the place?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

U.S. told Russia that Crocus City Hall was possible target of attack

More than two weeks before terrorists staged a bloody attack in the suburbs of Moscow, the U.S. government told Russian officials that Crocus City Hall, a popular concert venue, was a potential target, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

The high degree of specificity conveyed in the warning underscores Washington’s confidence that the Islamic State was preparing an attack that threatened large numbers of civilians, and it directly contradicts Moscow’s claims that the U.S. warnings were too general to help preempt the assault.

I still think Putin deliberately allowed it.

I think US deliberately withheld crucial info.
Current theory is that, Ukrainians hired ISIS-K to do the teract on March 7-8 during Shaman concert in the Crocus Hall.

Ukraine would gain absolutely nothing by doing so. They're not stupid, their attacks are directed against things which help the war.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

To what purpose would Ukraine hire them to do anything?

To what purpose regime in Ukraine is shelling civilian population in Belgorod and and assassinates journalists?

Conveniently ignoring the facilities that were the actual target.

 

[barbos]

U.S. told Russia that Crocus City Hall was possible target of attack

More than two weeks before terrorists staged a bloody attack in the suburbs of Moscow, the U.S. government told Russian officials that Crocus City Hall, a popular concert venue, was a potential target, according to U.S. officials familiar with the matter.

The high degree of specificity conveyed in the warning underscores Washington’s confidence that the Islamic State was preparing an attack that threatened large numbers of civilians, and it directly contradicts Moscow’s claims that the U.S. warnings were too general to help preempt the assault.

I still think Putin deliberately allowed it.

I think US deliberately withheld crucial info.
Current theory is that, Ukrainians hired ISIS-K to do the teract on March 7-8 during Shaman concert in the Crocus Hall.

Ukraine would gain absolutely nothing by doing so. They're not stupid, their attacks are directed against things which help the war.

What Ukraine gained by murdering journalists in Moscow?

 

[barbos]

To what purpose would Ukraine hire them to do anything?

To what purpose regime in Ukraine is shelling civilian population in Belgorod and and assassinates journalists?

Conveniently ignoring the facilities that were the actual target.

"Facilities" were not the target in Belgorod. Unless you call residential houses "facilities"
Ukraine has been a terrorist state since 2014. That's been their whole purpose.

 

[barbos]

They're not stupid

Are you sure about that? cause a lots of ukrainians disagree with you about that.

 

[barbos]

LOL
Don't be scared if you can't read russian yet, audio is in american.

 

[ZiprHead]

Russia does not want from you anything anymore. And this is because you (West) are pathological liars and can not be trusted.

 

[Elixir]

Russia does not want from you anything anymore. And this is because you (West) are pathological liars and can not be trusted.

If you look up “projection”, that post comes up as the definition.

 

[ZiprHead]

Also, Regime in Washington made a statement about Ukraine's non-involvement in 50 minutes after the news.
That suggests that they either knew everything (and did not properly warn russians) or they thought that ukrainians might be involved.

You were warned. We publicly warned Americans about it too. That is on Putin and Russian intelligence... assuming they didn't allow it, which is suspect as the response to the attack was so slow.

Clearly there was enough chatter for us to ID the location and the attack before it happened. And of course, it is a bit quicker to ID chatter when you know what you are looking for.

Public warning was worthless as far as helping to catch anybody. Compare your worthless warning to russian warning about Tsarnaev, where we gave you the name and you did nothing.

You finally said something truthful, almost.

In January 2012, Tsarnaev went to JFK airport in New York to board a flight to Moscow, triggering an alert. But he was not considered high priority among the 100 other names on a "Hot List" of people traveling through JFK that day, NBC News said, citing sources familiar with the report.

After spending six months in the Russian region of Dagestan, an experience U.S. investigators suspect played an important role in his radicalization, Tsarnaev flew back to JFK airport on July 17, 2012, but he was not detained or questioned because of the misspelling of his name, NBC News said.

Russia warned us in 2011. Tsarnaev was in Russia for six months in 2012 and yet did nothing about him. So Russia made the same mistake concerning the Tsarnaevs the US did.

https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSBREA2P02R/

 

[ZiprHead]

Had they tried to slip into Finland, would that have meant Finland was responsible?

It's weight of evidence propaganda which we have now.

FTFY

 

[ZiprHead]

Oddly enough, the emergency response by Russia was so slow, gotta wonder what that was all about... especially after being warned.

It was reported to be slow initially. But it was not actually. Terrorists did not spend much time and left just before people with guns arrived.
Now, explain US regime response, where they exonerated Ukraine almost before russian response team reached the place?

Proof of the bolded?

Oh, who the fuck am I kidding.

 

[Elixir]

Proof of the bolded?

Oh, who the fuck am I kidding.

Actually he’s right about that. US knew whodunit before they did it. And they told Russia but the Russians were too stupid to heed the warning.

 

[ZiprHead]

Proof of the bolded?

Oh, who the fuck am I kidding.

Actually he’s right about that. US knew whodunit before they did it. And they told Russia but the Russians were too stupid to heed the warning.

Please read the bolded I responded to again.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Oddly enough, the emergency response by Russia was so slow, gotta wonder what that was all about... especially after being warned.

It was reported to be slow initially. But it was not actually. Terrorists did not spend much time and left just before people with guns arrived.

The attack lasted reportedly around 20 minutes. My Dad had a seizure and the ambulance was at our house in less than 5 minutes after picking up the phone. The sirens from the ambulance audible while I was on the phone with 911. Emergency services wasn't provided any warnings that he might need medical help before hand.

Maybe Russia's emergency services really suck and 20+ minutes to respond to a massacre is adequate.

Now, explain US regime response, where they exonerated Ukraine almost before russian response team reached the place?

The US told Russia of threat and location so clearly there was a high confidence line of intel that they could go back to and check for emergent data.

Russia had a very noticeable presence in Syria and killed a bunch of terrorists there. ISIS-etc doesn't forget things like that. So stop whining about the US not doing Russia's intelligence job enough.

 

[Elixir]

Maybe Russia's emergency services really suck

Oh no!! You mean they don’t really value the lives of their cannon fodder citizens?

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[ZiprHead]

On the Crocus City Hall attack...

The Russian leader himself publicly dismissed U.S. warnings just three days before the March 22 attack, calling them “outright blackmail” and attempts to “intimidate and destabilize our society.”

It's an unshareable WaPo story so I'll not bother to link it.

But wait. There's more.

Exclusive: Iran alerted Russia to security threat before Moscow attack

DUBAI, April 1 (Reuters) - Iran tipped off Russia about the possibility of a major "terrorist operation" on its soil ahead of the concert hall massacre near Moscow last month, three sources familiar with the matter said.
In the deadliest attack inside Russia in 20 years, gunmen opened fire with automatic weapons at concertgoers on March 22 at the Crocus City Hall, killing at least 144 people in violence claimed by the Islamic State militant group.

The United States had also warned Russia in advance of a likely militant Islamist attack but Moscow, deeply distrustful of Washington's intentions, played down that intelligence.
It is harder, however, for Russia to dismiss intelligence from diplomatic ally Iran on the attack, which has also raised questions over the effectiveness of Russian security services. Moscow and Tehran, both under Western sanctions, have deepened military and other cooperation during the two-year Ukraine war.