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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

crazyfingers said:

Norwegian fuel company Haltbakk Bunkers has announced it will cease supplying fuel to U.S. military forces in Norway and American ships docking in Norwegian ports, citing dissatisfaction with recent U.S. policy towards Ukraine.​

In a strongly worded statement, the company criticised a televised event involving U.S. President Donald Trump and Vice President J.D. Vance, referring to it as the “biggest shitshow ever presented live on TV.” Haltbakk Bunkers praised Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky for his restraint, accusing the U.S. of “putting on a backstabbing TV show” and declaring that the spectacle “made us sick.”

As a result, the company stated: “We have decided to immediately STOP as fuel provider to American forces in Norway and their ships calling Norwegian ports. No Fuel to Americans!” Haltbakk Bunkers also urged Norwegians and Europeans to follow their lead, concluding their statement with the slogan “Slava Ukraina” in support of Ukraine.
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Norwegian fuel supplier refuses U.S. warships over Ukraine

Haltbakk Bunkers will cease supplying fuel to U.S. forces in Norway and American ships docking in Norwegian ports, citing dissatisfaction with recent U.S. policy towards Ukraine.
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Don't worry. Finland and Sweden (newly minted NATO members) will protect you from evil Russians.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
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Yeah, the usual idiots,
 
I gotta say, if you can go from playing piano with your dick to being president of a large country, you've GOT to have something going on!
 
WAB said:
I gotta say, if you can go from playing piano with your dick to being president of a large country, you've GOT to have something going on!
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Yeah, who could have predicted that? And Trump being president ......twice.
Yet, here we are.


Speaking of dick piano. Studio 95 (the one which the clown owned and worked at) twitted a picture of piano with the name Trump on it. Idiots are proud of their clown-president musical performance at the White House.
 
It is obvious without the USA leading the way Europe can not come together on Ukraine.

Europe without invoking NATO could have prevented the invasion.

While claiming Putin is an existential threat, which he may be, to Europe , the Europeans supplied enough aide to prevent total collapse of the Ukrainian army but nothing more.

Trump saying it is a European problem puts the nails in the coffin of Ukraine.

My prediction if a settlement.

If a settlement is made without the USA's protection and we get natural resources in return, eventually Russia will control Ukraine.

If Ukraine rejects Trump;s extortion over minerals they lose anyway.

I just do not see Ukraine surviving.

Europe would have to send troops and air support in now, and that will not happen.

Western liberal democracy is failing the Darwin Test. Authoritarianism is gaining ground.
 
steve_bank said:
It is obvious without the USA leading the way Europe can not come together on Ukraine.
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:ROFLMAO:

You have got to be kidding. Europe has already come together on Ukraine, well, apart from Hungary, but there's always one in any crowd.

The USA are the ones who can't come together on Ukraine; Rather than just one outlier state, almost half of your country (including the entire executive, who just went full Tony Soprano on the Ukrainian President) are supporting the Russians.

Zelensky has massive support in the EU. The UK Prime Minister is talking about putting British boots on the ground, after the shameful way your President and VP treated him. Europe was already providing slightly more assistance than the USA, and I for one would be happy to see EU, UK and other nations still part of the free world step up with direct military assistance. If the USA doesn't want to take part, then that's OK; We are well
past the point where anyone expects the US to stand up for freedom, democracy, or fairness.
 
It's really simple. J.D. Vance and Trump are not connected to this failing project. Moreover, they hate Elensky for his meddling in US elections on the side of democrats. RussiaGate the same story.
The Project is failing, short of nuclear war there is no chance in hell to defeat Russia.
Now, about EU scum. They are all up to their ears in this shit project called "Let's destroy Russia"
I think they are at the stage where their heist went badly wrong and they are covering it up by doubling down and hoping miracle will suddenly happen. Soon I think they will start killing witnesses.


The truth is, the last months of Biden rule they were making sure their project does not fail on their watch. They knew it was over, they just did not want to be blamed and blame Trump instead.
 
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bilby said:
You have got to be kidding. Europe has already come together on Ukraine,
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They did not. Hungary, Slovakia are 100% out. Romania and Czechia are pretty much out too.
Even Poland is not so sure.
You are confusing small part of Brussels with Europe.
 
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I find that ironic that neocons having their origin in US are having their support and base in Europe now.
I understand it could be temporary defeat but I find it ironic.
Neocons got Europe but lost US.
J.D. Vance has 12 years of presidency ahead of him and he could be somewhat nut with respect to religion but he is not stupid. He knows there is no chance for him to win in 4 years if he goes along with neocon and Biden gang.
He clearly wants to concentrate on US internal problems, not on expansion and wars overseas.
 
Lots have been said about JDV staging the whole thing.
It was not staged, certainly not by Vance, and Green Goblin who got used to people giving him slack is largely to blame.
This barrister explains in details:


Green Goblin has very loud and obnoxious body language. His english is also very obnoxious but he gets a pass becasue it's not his native language and he is frankly very bad at it.
 
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Bottom line, you can't win. you should settle.
I know it's hard for Europian scum to do that after all the trash they were talking, but it is the only option for them.
The alternative is unconditional surrender for Ukraine which is fine for us.
I think Russia can handle Ukraine back in Russia. I think we will hold the urge to behave like ukro-nazi.
 
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Russia will never agree to peacekeepers. Unless it has changed Europe has said peacekeepers are contingent on US participation.

Europe is not even part of negotiations. Chalk that up to Trump's disdain for Europe and democracy..

Without the US to enforce the peace Russia will wait for so0kethingg as an excuse to restart the war.

Given his background Zelensky did a tremendous job, but he is not up the political end game. He was easily baited into a shouting match on TV with Trump and then told to get out of the WH,.

At this point Zelensky and the Ukrainians are now irrelevant. It is Trump and Putin.

I'd say in the long run a pro Russian will ed up as president in Ukraine.
 
steve_bank said:
Russia will never agree to peacekeepers
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Yes, that's becasue peacekeepers is EU cunts ploy to involve US in direct war with Russia.
Russia understands that and current US administration understand that.
Former US administration understood that too.
 
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