How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

That explains Barbos The Babbling Russian.

He is like our right wing conspiracy nuts. They pick up bits of conspiracy theories online and for them that is truth.

Ignorant of history and reality. Repeating conspiracy nonsense. They echo what Putin says like the Trump supporters do. A conditioned Pavlovian response. Like dogs trained to roll over on command.

So where is your evidence of Russia collusion and why are you hiding it from Mueller?

Right here.

Senate Intelligence Committee report on Russian interference in the 2016 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So you have no evidence.

And

Eric Trump tells author James Dodson, "We don't rely on American banks [...] We have all the funding we need out of Russia", and says, "We go there all the time".

And? It was not about elections, it was about business deals. And it was all typical Trumo BS bluster.
Show the damn receipts. I have shown my evidence showing lies and corruption of Hillary Clinton.

I think it's you who is ignorant of history nazi supporter and an actual conspiracy theorist.

That's the problem with you. You have to go way back in history to find Nazis to blame.

Not way back, You were applauding Hunka last year I think.

 

[barbos]

Looks like Trump and EU both are going to send ukrainian "refugees" back to Ukraine.
And they are going to start with the ones who took part in anti-Trump protests.
I know, it's not nice and not very first-amendy but it's damn fair.

 

[barbos]

So it's official. US stopped providing intelligence to Elensky regime. And ordered UK the to do the same.
Elensky is already walking back his trash talk. Don't know how long Trump stay this new course, I suspect not for very long but still it's nice.

 

[ZiprHead]

That explains Barbos The Babbling Russian.

He is like our right wing conspiracy nuts. They pick up bits of conspiracy theories online and for them that is truth.

Ignorant of history and reality. Repeating conspiracy nonsense. They echo what Putin says like the Trump supporters do. A conditioned Pavlovian response. Like dogs trained to roll over on command.

So where is your evidence of Russia collusion and why are you hiding it from Mueller?

Right here.

Senate Intelligence Committee report on Russian interference in the 2016 United States presidential election - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So you have no evidence.

And

Eric Trump tells author James Dodson, "We don't rely on American banks [...] We have all the funding we need out of Russia", and says, "We go there all the time".

And? It was not about elections, it was about business deals. And it was all typical Trumo BS bluster.
Show the damn receipts. I have shown my evidence showing lies and corruption of Hillary Clinton.

I think it's you who is ignorant of history nazi supporter and an actual conspiracy theorist.

That's the problem with you. You have to go way back in history to find Nazis to blame.

Not way back, You were applauding Hunka last year I think.

Wrong. The vast majority of Americans had no idea who Hunka was and didn't care. The Canadian Parliament didn't know too until after the fact.

And Russia had the Wagner Group. Open Nazis serving Putin. Clean up the rats your own house before you complain about mice in ours.

 

[barbos]

Wrong. The vast majority of Americans had no idea who Hunka was and didn't care

But you are not vast majority, you know who the Hunka is and you were applauding him.
Moreover you in the form of British government critters literally said "Ukrainian Nazis are good fighters and we need that against Russia"

 

[barbos]

And Russia had the Wagner Group. Open Nazis serving Putin.

Nope, he was not a nazi.

 

[ZiprHead]

Wrong. The vast majority of Americans had no idea who Hunka was and didn't care

But you are not vast majority, you know who the Hunka is and you were applauding him.

Really? I still have no idea who he is except that he was identified as a Nazi from the 1940s.

Moreover you in the form of British government critters literally said "Ukrainian Nazis are good fighters and we need that against Russia"

Blah blah blah. You say a lot of shit that turns out to be wrong and/or widely exaggerated.

 

[ZiprHead]

And Russia had the Wagner Group. Open Nazis serving Putin.

Nope, he was not a nazi.

Now you are just bullshitting us.

 

[barbos]

And Russia had the Wagner Group. Open Nazis serving Putin.

Nope, he was not a nazi.

Now you are just bullshitting us.

No, you are. The guy had a nazi fetish, if that is a crime then Hollywood should be in prison.

 

[barbos]

Meanwhile. Marco Rubio (former mild neocon) continues to surprise me.
I was worried that he was just another Bolton, but apparently not. He admitted the obvious - that US started that war.
Not directly of course but he did.

 

[laughing dog]

Meanwhile. Marco Rubio (former mild neocon) continues to surprise me.
I was worried that he was just another Bolton, but apparently not. He admitted the obvious - that US started that war.
Not directly of course but he did.

How much vodka infused Kool Aid is required to decode Rubio’s admission?

 

[barbos]

BBC correspondent hot mic incident

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I still think Elensky could survive

 

[steve_bank]

I have no idea what it is like to live in Russia. No idea what the culture is like.

I know reporting and media is controlled by the state. We rarely see any reporting that shows people as they live and speaking freely.

China has limitations on media but it is open. There are shows from China by foreign journalists and documentaries. North America and western Europe are open books, warts and all.

Putin rules by fear. Normalizing at the culture level reducing mistrust people to people weakens Putin's fear mongering.


In the 80s I think it was Phil Donahue who organized a series of video meetings between average Americans and Russians.

One session was women only. The Russian women were interested in what American women were weaning.

What is it ilikekle to go shooing in Russia? What are the movies? What music are people listening to, what books?

Years back I surveyed the English language media sites in the Mid East and North Africa. Egyptian media was just like our own.

Crime unsporting.
Accidents and emergencies.
Book and movie reviews.
Politics and religion.

Iran as expected nothing like our media.Hate speech.

Russia has nothing to fear from Europe.

We do not know who Barbos is, but thing we know for sure he is on the et stoking Russian fear aof the west.

Since the collapse of the Soviet Union I have heard little anti Russian speech, nothing like the Cold War.
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Today it is immigration, economy, and terrorism. If the war never happen no one would be thinking about Russia or caring what goes on there.

When Notre Dame burned it was global news. It was talked about over here. British royal weddings are an event over here.

Putin's fear mongering keeps Russia as a cultural backwater.

 

[barbos]

I have no idea what it is like to live in Russia

That's true and you should have stopped right there.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Given the access he seems to have with global Internet it does seem he may not be in Russia worth its control of the net.

Obviously not a good English speaker.

Brighton Beach NYC?

He is eitheran idiot filled with Internet conspiracy theories, or he is an excrescenced propagandistt.

For all we know he may be Chinese or North Korean.

Russians have exactly the same access to Internet and information than we do. Russians like Putin anyway. And Russians, for whatever reason, watch a lot of regular TV and prefer it as a source of information

The problem with Russians isn't that they're brainwashed. Its that they have different values. They are impressed by raw power. They don't have the same liberal values as us. That's the difference. They like Putin

Yeah, all the ones not in prison "love Putin".

If there was any kind of oppositional mass movement against Putin, he'd be fucked. All he's doing is removing political "weeds". I recommend talking with expat Russians. Their main focus of hate has always been Yeltsin. The wests poster boy for western style liberalism. They don't like it.

You might not agree with Russians. But Russian national behaviour seems to be the result of Russian values and Russian culture. The same region that once gave us the Mongol empire. I don't think it's a coincidence.

Have you never wondered why Russian aesthetics are so different? What do you think Russian artists are trying to say by consitently being so aggressively bold? Russian women certainly have no problem with being extra everything. I wonder if there's a connection to the culture?

 

[barbos]

If there was any kind of oppositional mass movement against Putin, he'd be fucked. All he's doing is removing political "weeds". I recommend talking with expat Russians. Their main focus of hate has always been Yeltsin. The wests poster boy for western style liberalism. They don't like it.

Again, bullshit as usual. The main problem is not liberalism which is fine with russians. The reason why Yeltsin is disliked/hated is because he sucked! Everything under his rule sucked. He was incompetent drunk and life was miserable during his years. Liberalism my ass.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Here's a good even headed Triggernometry video explaining why Trump got angry with Zelensky



I'm so fucking sick of today's media climate. It's not just that we're only exposed to biased news speaking to our base. But today, we're effectively shielded from reality. Unless we make an active effort to see other points of view. And this is harder than ever. Because Youtube and Facebook are invisibly filtering out the stuff you should see, in favour of the stuff you want to see. It's like everyone is delusional at the same time. And we have no way of knowing who's the most delusional. Is it me? Who the fuck knows?!? This is in a time where we have more access to correct information and fact checking than ever before. But how the fuck do you fact check stuff if it's unclear what needs to be fact checked, and what fact checkers are reliable?

I'm sick of both sidsing. If I have no reason to give Putin or Trump the benefit of the doubt, and I don't, then I won't. Oh am I being unfair to some of the most powerful people in the world who don't give a shit about anything other than power? Boohoo, fuck off.

 

[ZiprHead]

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I still think Elensky could survive

"This is the second time ever for the US president to fuck someone in the Oval Office."

 

[ZiprHead]

Russia warned Ukraine that they can't be both in EU and Custom Union

Why?

 

[steve_bank]

I have no idea what it is like to live in Russia

That's true and you should have stopped right there.

Educated me.

What is it like

To live in a country where you can be arrested for criticizing Putin or the war.
Where there is no independent media, only government controlled media.
Where there is no rule of law, the govern-mt does what it wants to anyone for any reason.
Where the government dopes not protect individual rights.
Where people do not elect leaders, where there are sham elections and opposition candidates are jailed.

Those of us raised in western democracies have gotten used to freedoms and rights. Russia s on a minority.

The EU, Iran, South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, US, Canada and others all have the same general rights and legal protections. Free selections were leadership in the long run changes.

Russia, Cuba, Iran, North Korea are dismal oppressive regimes.

In a broad sense Putin has resurrect the Soviet Union. The same geopolitics and authoritarian rule. He is still fighting the Cold War.

As I remember it Putin was selected to follow Yeltsin because Putin could be relied on to not persecute Yeltsin and family and to protect the money of the corrupt.

Tell me how great and wonderful it is to be in Russia. You yourself posted you prefer the American system over Russia.

Try saying that in Moscow public ally and see what happens.

Trump is trying to do what Putin did, personal control of government and the courts.

Go ahead, educate me on how all tat is makes a good place to live.

I worked with a Russian engineer who was here on a work visa. He came here because he had nothing inn Russia, yet he'd go on and on about how bad the USA is.

Many Chinese come here. They have been an important part of west coast technology. Who chooses to go to Russia to live, other than Snowden?

Interesting that Snowden fled to Russia fearng prosecution for whistle blowing, Russia being an oppressive police state. He was a free press advocate over here.

Who is Russia to tell Ukraine that it can not join the EU? That is the Soviet playbook.