How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Speaking of Iran, I used to think that their regime was islamist while population was much less religious.
Whereas SA the ruling family was not really religious while population was much more religious.
Now I think Iranian regime is not as religious as the western media tries to portray.
Basically the same level as any other government which never shy from using religion as a tool, nothing more.
But population in Iran is not that religious.

 

[Tigers!]

Fiber-optic drones more expensive than radio-link ones. But they provide high resolution jam-free picture for hunting military targets on the battlefield.
Only deranged idiot would believe they make good tool for terrorizing civilians. Russia can terrorize civilians less expensively just fine. But we don't terrorize civilians, ukrainian army does.

The problem is one of metrics. Russian drones are supposed to kill Ukranian troops, but they are hard to find. Civilians are much easier to find. Thus you get drone operators hitting civilians in order to look good to command.

More telling is the kid's response: look for the guideline, count to 15.

Entirely sensible battlefield instructions--given to a civilian. You don't train civilians in how to deal with military threats unless you expect them to face such threats. An untrained civilian might very well recognize to go for the guideline, but a count of 15 for a safety parameter is training.

Wow, what a bullshit.
And what part of "story is a complete fiction" you do not not understand?
You are fucking clueless, more clueless the the rest of the usual suspects here.

It's probably time for your afternoon nap.

 

[barbos]

Fiber-optic drones more expensive than radio-link ones. But they provide high resolution jam-free picture for hunting military targets on the battlefield.
Only deranged idiot would believe they make good tool for terrorizing civilians. Russia can terrorize civilians less expensively just fine. But we don't terrorize civilians, ukrainian army does.

The problem is one of metrics. Russian drones are supposed to kill Ukranian troops, but they are hard to find. Civilians are much easier to find. Thus you get drone operators hitting civilians in order to look good to command.

More telling is the kid's response: look for the guideline, count to 15.

Entirely sensible battlefield instructions--given to a civilian. You don't train civilians in how to deal with military threats unless you expect them to face such threats. An untrained civilian might very well recognize to go for the guideline, but a count of 15 for a safety parameter is training.

Wow, what a bullshit.
And what part of "story is a complete fiction" you do not not understand?
You are fucking clueless, more clueless the the rest of the usual suspects here.

It's probably time for your afternoon nap.

A firm believer into ukrainian babushkas destroying russian drones with pickle jars detected.

 

[Tigers!]

Fiber-optic drones more expensive than radio-link ones. But they provide high resolution jam-free picture for hunting military targets on the battlefield.
Only deranged idiot would believe they make good tool for terrorizing civilians. Russia can terrorize civilians less expensively just fine. But we don't terrorize civilians, ukrainian army does.

The problem is one of metrics. Russian drones are supposed to kill Ukranian troops, but they are hard to find. Civilians are much easier to find. Thus you get drone operators hitting civilians in order to look good to command.

More telling is the kid's response: look for the guideline, count to 15.

Entirely sensible battlefield instructions--given to a civilian. You don't train civilians in how to deal with military threats unless you expect them to face such threats. An untrained civilian might very well recognize to go for the guideline, but a count of 15 for a safety parameter is training.

Wow, what a bullshit.
And what part of "story is a complete fiction" you do not not understand?
You are fucking clueless, more clueless the the rest of the usual suspects here.

It's probably time for your afternoon nap.

A firm believer into ukrainian babushkas destroying russian drones with pickle jars detected.

A direct hit from a pickle jar would bring down a quadcopter or a little bigger drone.
My maternal babushka was a very good shot with almost anything. 6 children and > 30 grandkids sharpened her aim.

 

[barbos]

My maternal babushka was a very good shot with almost anything

Including your skull apparenlty.
Problem solved, ukrainian T-TS-Ka should start rounding up babushkas and sending them to the front line.

 

[Tigers!]

My maternal babushka was a very good shot with almost anything

Including your skull apparenlty.

Shh. Keep it just between ourselves.

 

[Arctish]

One of your problems is that you don't understand international law. According to the UN charter, a state may use force only when authorized by UN security council or in self-defense against an armed attack. There was no Ukrainian attack on Russian land. Just as Israel was not part of the US and Crimea was not part of Russia, neither attack was legal.

Disagree on Iran. It is standardly accepted that a country may join a war against a friend even in the absence of a defense treaty.

When did Israel declared war on Iran?

When did Iran declare war on Israel?

Wars are generally not declared these days.

Israel hit Hezbollah targets, killed some Iranian guy. Iran attacked Israel. That's a de-facto war.

The UN Charter clearly states that member States may not threaten or use force against other States, or act in ways that subvert the purpose of the UN. It doesn't make exceptions for tit-for-tat strikes or for third parties to get involved in "de-facto" wars.

Member States can only act in self-defense or with the authorization of the UN.

 

[barbos]

One of your problems is that you don't understand international law. According to the UN charter, a state may use force only when authorized by UN security council or in self-defense against an armed attack. There was no Ukrainian attack on Russian land. Just as Israel was not part of the US and Crimea was not part of Russia, neither attack was legal.

Disagree on Iran. It is standardly accepted that a country may join a war against a friend even in the absence of a defense treaty.

When did Israel declared war on Iran?

When did Iran declare war on Israel?

Wars are generally not declared these days.

Israel hit Hezbollah targets, killed some Iranian guy. Iran attacked Israel. That's a de-facto war.

The UN Charter clearly states that member States may not threaten or use force against other States, or act in ways that subvert the purpose of the UN. It doesn't make exceptions for tit-for-tat strikes or for third parties to get involved in "de-facto" wars.

Member States can only act in self-defense or with the authorization of the UN.

Since when did it stop USA?

 

[Arctish]

One of your problems is that you don't understand international law. According to the UN charter, a state may use force only when authorized by UN security council or in self-defense against an armed attack. There was no Ukrainian attack on Russian land. Just as Israel was not part of the US and Crimea was not part of Russia, neither attack was legal.

Disagree on Iran. It is standardly accepted that a country may join a war against a friend even in the absence of a defense treaty.

When did Israel declared war on Iran?

When did Iran declare war on Israel?

Wars are generally not declared these days.

Israel hit Hezbollah targets, killed some Iranian guy. Iran attacked Israel. That's a de-facto war.

The UN Charter clearly states that member States may not threaten or use force against other States, or act in ways that subvert the purpose of the UN. It doesn't make exceptions for tit-for-tat strikes or for third parties to get involved in "de-facto" wars.

Member States can only act in self-defense or with the authorization of the UN.

Since when did it stop USA?

It has never stopped the US when the US wanted to attack someone. But it has caused the US to seek UN authorization on several occasions and sometimes get it.

 

[barbos]

Joining NATO works for Finland wery well. They are now hiding from ukrainian drones in bomb-shelters.
Same with Luthuania

 

[TV and credit cards]

So far this year Russia’s recruitment levels are at 70% of battlefield replacement. This would indicate it is common knowledge across Russia that the survival rate is so poor it simply isn’t worth the risk at any price.
Something needs to be done and quickly. Considering this and Russia’s collapsing economy, Putin can solve the problem by officially declaring war. This will wipe out signing bonuses, conscript men, seize private assets and set prices for war production, further restrict civilian communications, and likely set curfews and in some areas martial law. But will he? We’ll see in the coming months.
Word is Ukraine now has the tactical advantage, initiating more offensive operations than Russia is. Ukrainian drones are now responsible for two thirds of Russian casualties. Tanks, trucks, and such have become worthless on the battlefield. They are target practice for drones.
This is a drone war now, one that Ukraine is winning. And with Ukraine’s system of direct collaboration between manufacturers and end users, it is not likely they will lose the advantage anytime soon.

Credit where credit is due. A special shout out to Elon for shutting down Russia’s pirated use of Starlink earlier this year. This put a real crimp in Russia’s battlefield comms. Further, it provided Ukraine with the opportunity to set up a special operation when Russians tried to reestablish use through Ukrainians willing to sell access to Starlink. These weren’t unpatriotic Ukrainians you were talking to, Ivan. It was a Ukrainian special operation to track and target you. Bwahaha.

 

[barbos]

So far this......

So far MSM is full of shit.

 

[barbos]

Ukrainian drones are now responsible for two thirds of Russian casualties

LOL, this demonstrates just how clueless you are.

 

[barbos]

War Crimes?

35 students injured in strike on college in Russian-occupied part of Ukraine’s Luhansk region — Meduza

Thirty-five students were injured when a strike hit a college building and dormitory in Starobilsk, in the Russian-occupied part of Ukraine’s Luhansk region, according to local officials.

meduza.io

 

[barbos]

Credit where credit is due. A special shout out to Elon for shutting down Russia’s pirated use of Starlink earlier this year

Russian space force has been launching satellites of their copy of StarLink for quite some time now.
It is somewhat operational already. I suspect it is pretty crappy but it is better than nothing.
Keep in mind that Musk does not allow StarLink operate on Russia proper.

 

[barbos]

Four killed, 35 children injured in Ukrainian drone attack on Luhansk region, Russian officials say

At least four people were killed and 35 children were wounded in an overnight Ukrainian drone attack on a student dormitory ‌in the Russian-controlled Luhansk region in eastern Ukraine, Russian officials said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

 

[laughing dog]

Anyone else struck by the irony of a supporter of the Russian invasion of Ukraine bleating about war crimes?

 

[ZiprHead]

Four killed, 35 children injured in Ukrainian drone attack on Luhansk region, Russian officials say

At least four people were killed and 35 children were wounded in an overnight Ukrainian drone attack on a student dormitory ‌in the Russian-controlled Luhansk region in eastern Ukraine, Russian officials said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

What happened to western media being liars???

 

[pood]

Seems Adolf Putin’s failed war has sent @barbos around the bend. Sweet!

Now if only the coward Putin will keep cowering in his bunker and then do what Hitler did.

 

[barbos]

Four killed, 35 children injured in Ukrainian drone attack on Luhansk region, Russian officials say

At least four people were killed and 35 children were wounded in an overnight Ukrainian drone attack on a student dormitory ‌in the Russian-controlled Luhansk region in eastern Ukraine, Russian officials said on Friday.

www.reuters.com

What happened to western media being liars???

Nothing, they are still are.