How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

When I worked at Lockheed in the 80sn I read reports on militray readiness of of the Soviets and client statess.

So you read the bullshit report, so what?
Must be the same people who thought that Russia would run out of missiles in couple of weeks after western agression in Ukraine. You know who also thought soviets were weak? Hitler!

Russia has already run out of tanks and ships. The missiles can't last that much longer. It really doesn't matter. What Russia is going to run out of first is money.

No, we have not run out of anything, but your nazi clown has run out of useless patriot missiles.

 

[barbos]

They have a vast gold reserve, if they have not yet sold it off.

I hope that is true.
Then when Putin regime collapses the Russian invaders can pay the many MANY MANY Ukrainian victims reparations.
Tom

We are already paying "reparations" using FABs.
After the war the West will be paying reparation to Russia and Ukranian Olbast.

 

[steve_bank]

Barbos

Yea, yea, tea ... b-b-b-but the war has been going on for 4 years with no end in sight.

Tens of thousands of North Koreans have been fighting for Russia, Russia has been recruiting mercenaries in South America and Africa.

Don't you just hate it when you start a war and run of people to fight?. I am sure you are encouraging nephews, kids, and grand kids to enlist in the Russia army to fight in Ukraine. As any true Russian patriot would do.

Soviet Union collapsed trying to destroy and compete with Europe and North America.

Putin is senselessly doing the same thing.

While China is still adversarial, it dropped its old communist anti west rhetoric and engaged with the west. Large scale insistent and western technology helped bring China out if its Maoist misery. Chinese e cultre now has a place in the world.

High levels of tourism between China and USA. Other than an image of the Kremlin most in this country do not know or care about Russia. In contrast Japan, South Korea, and China are popular cultures here in the USA

Putin can crown himself Vlad The First and walk around the Kremlin in robes, nobody but nobody over here would care. Invade Ukraine and threaten and we do care. It afcs us.

If Putin thinks his antics are going to beg Russia global respect and some kind of immaterial power he is delusional.

As delusional as our Trump who thinks intimidating with threats of military force will bend the world to his will. His trabecule with Iran who will rrather die than give in to Trump. Same as Unitarians willing to die fighting Putin

 

[Bronzeage]

When I worked at Lockheed in the 80sn I read reports on militray readiness of of the Soviets and client statess.

So you read the bullshit report, so what?
Must be the same people who thought that Russia would run out of missiles in couple of weeks after western agression in Ukraine. You know who also thought soviets were weak? Hitler!

Russia has already run out of tanks and ships. The missiles can't last that much longer. It really doesn't matter. What Russia is going to run out of first is money.

They have a vast gold reserve, if they have not yet sold it off.

That gets complicated. Russia needs billions

When I worked at Lockheed in the 80sn I read reports on militray readiness of of the Soviets and client statess.

So you read the bullshit report, so what?
Must be the same people who thought that Russia would run out of missiles in couple of weeks after western agression in Ukraine. You know who also thought soviets were weak? Hitler!

Russia has already run out of tanks and ships. The missiles can't last that much longer. It really doesn't matter. What Russia is going to run out of first is money.

No, we have not run out of anything, but your nazi clown has run out of useless patriot missiles.

If hot air was lethal, Russia would have won 3 years ago. Ballistic missiles are expensive and Putin spends his dwindling funds on targets that have no effect on Ukraine's ability to destroy targets deep inside Russia. This means a missle is very much like your paycheck.

In the meantime, refineries and Wildberries continue to burn and there's nothing Russia can do about it.

 

[ZiprHead]

This new Kiev Regime supreme commander is a real piece of shit war criminal.
WB, now he is attacking people on Black Sea beaches of Krasnodar. 8 dead including 3 children.

No, you attacked that beach.

Specifically, you shot down a Ukranian drone at a position that caused the wreckage to fall on the beach.

That doesn't look like a controlled strike to me.

 

[steve_bank]

I always wanted to visit Karaokestan.

 

[steve_bank]

Russian. Looks a lot lie the Concorde. There is a Concorde on display at the Boring flight museum. Been on it.



Russian space shuttle .. hmm we must have copied it.

AI Overview
Yes, the Soviet Union relied heavily on stolen blueprints and industrial espionage to develop its supersonic jet, the Tupolev Tu-144, which Western observers mockingly dubbed "Concordski". However, it was not an exact copy; Soviet engineers used the stolen data to speed up their own indigenous design, resulting in distinct structural differences.

 

[barbos]

If hot air was lethal, Russia would have won 3 years ago.

Tell that to yourself, you are under impession that Elensky is winning with his 40 day aerial war.

Ballistic missiles are expensive and Putin spends his dwindling funds on targets

Pocket change with current oil prices.

that have no effect on Ukraine's ability to destroy targets deep inside Russia.

Says who?

 

[barbos]

Russian space shuttle .. hmm we must have copied it.

Actually you did. Not shuttle but that thing which are actually flying now.
Yes, Buran was coppied because Brezhenev told engineers that he wants it too.
And they successfully "copied" it.

 

[Bronzeage]

If hot air was lethal, Russia would have won 3 years ago.

Tell that to yourself, you are under impession that Elensky is winning with his 40 day aerial war.

Ballistic missiles are expensive and Putin spends his dwindling funds on targets

Pocket change with current oil prices.

that have no effect on Ukraine's ability to destroy targets deep inside Russia.

Says who?

Oil refineries and Wildberries burn and there's nothing Russia can do about it.

 

[steve_bank]

The key to the American space shuttle was not the wings, it was the heat resistant tiles for re-entry.

Space Shuttle thermal protection system - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

AI Overview
Yes, the Soviet space shuttle named Buran flew into space exactly once on November 15, 1988.

Predecessor to he shuttle.

AI Overview
The Boeing X-20 Dyna-Soar (Dynamic Soarer) was a United States Air Force military spaceplane program active from 1957 to 1963. Though it was canceled before making an orbital flight, its extensive aerodynamic and hypersonic research directly influenced the development of NASA’s Space Shuttle Orbiter.

Boeing X-20 Dyna-Soar - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The idea that Russia influenced the space shuttle is absurd.

NASA information I belie has always been in the public domain by law, unless it is a militray or intelligence program.

Used to have a copy in my reference library.

AI overview
The definitive book on NACA wing sections and airfoil data is Theory of Wing Sections: Including a Summary of Airfoil Data by Ira H. Abbott and Albert E. Von Doenhoff. Originally published in 1949 and reissued by Dover Publications, it serves as the ultimate reference for aerodynamicists, engineers, and students.

https://aeroknowledge77.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/58986488-theory-of-wing-sections-including-a-summary-of-airfoil-data.pdf

 

[barbos]

If hot air was lethal, Russia would have won 3 years ago.

Tell that to yourself, you are under impession that Elensky is winning with his 40 day aerial war.

Ballistic missiles are expensive and Putin spends his dwindling funds on targets

Pocket change with current oil prices.

that have no effect on Ukraine's ability to destroy targets deep inside Russia.

Says who?

Oil refineries and Wildberries burn and there's nothing Russia can do about it.

You need to worry about Iran fucking your bases in ME
Oil refieneries are fine. What is not fine is Ukrainian grain export. Question they now have is whether to bother to harvest their grain this year.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Ukrainian attacks on Wildberries strike at heart of Russia Inc

Elina Ribakova, an economist with the Kyiv School of Economics and the Peterson Institute for International Economics in Washington, said the attacks could complicate the central bank's efforts to lower interest rates from their current level of 14%.
"Even though the Russian economy is likely to register zero growth this year, and it was in contraction for the first quarter, inflation is still running high and therefore any small shock could force the central bank either to slow down significantly ‌the cuts ⁠or even stop the cuts, so supply side shocks are very important," she said a phone interview.

Zero growth and interest rates needing to be left at 14%. I have to search my files from the mid eighties but don't those two forces work against one another?


And I couldn't help but look up the CEO of Wildberries. Her "Personal Life" section at Wikipedia reads like American satire. Then again, it's Russia. This shit writes itself.
Tatyana gets a divorce.

According to a Forbes source, Vladislav Bakalchuk left the company in early July. On July 24, 2024, Vladislav Bakalchuk stated that, in the event of a divorce settlement, he intended to claim 50% of the company stake.

On April 17, the Savelovsky District Court of Moscow ruled in favor of Tatyana Kim in the property division case with Vladislav Bakalchuk. The judge upheld Kim’s claims and awarded her Bakalchuk’s 1% stake in LLC Wildberries, making her the sole owner of 100% of the company. She also retained 100% ownership of LLC Wildberries Bank, as well as all funds held in her personal accounts.

In September 2024 Vladislav was arrested on a murder charge following a deadly shootout which occurred after he and other armed men raided Wildberries' Moscow headquarters. Following the incident, Tatyana announced that she was reverting to her maiden surname. Their divorce was finalised in 2025.

What a country.

 

[steve_bank]

Trump and his foul up with Iran has nothing to do with where Putin is taking Russia.

We will recover from Trump eventually. Our pundits have discussed the long term damage to the USA some of it we will never recover from.

That being said, Putin is taking Russia down with him. Making it a functional part of Russia. Doesn't change anything. That small territory cost a lot of Russian deaths and money, was it worth it?

Man while we had a very successful FIFA World Cup. From some of the reporting it chafed some of the foreign views of America, not what they expected. On the positive side.

AI Overview
President Vladimir Putin’s push to showcase Russia through the 2014 Sochi Winter Olympics turned into a widespread disaster marked by a record $51 billion price tag, massive state corruption, environmental destruction, and a later state-sponsored doping scandal that led to historic international athletic bans

Financial and Administrative ScandalsCost overruns made Sochi the most expensive Olympic Games in history.Opposition reports estimated that up to $30 billion was lost to embezzlement and cronyism benefiting Putin's allies.Local infrastructure development led to unfair evictions, ruined neighborhoods, and unpaid migrant labor.Environmental and Human CostsHasty construction dumped tons of waste into illegal landfills, threatening regional water supplies.Ecosystems in the Imereti Lowland and local habitats suffered severe, irreversible damage.Whistleblowers and local residents who spoke out faced state harassment or forced displacement.The Doping FalloutInvestigations proved an elaborate, state-directed doping and sample-tampering operation orchestrated by the FSB during the Sochi Games.The International Olympic Committee penalized Russia with consecutive bans, stripping dozens of medals and forcing clean Russian competitors to perform under neutral flags.

Unfinished buddings, water leaking in buddings, toilets that did not work. A Soviet stye cluster fuck. Utter incompetence.

From the Russian revolution on, Russia has tried to project an image of power and greatness. Putin is trying hard, and failing.

The Russian Olympics and the Ukraine war are a Russian embarrassment.

The war shows Putin and Russian mikitary are incomptentt.

AI Overview
The next Summer Olympic Games featuring Team USA will be the LA28 Olympic Games, scheduled to take place in Los Angeles, California, from July 14 to July 30, 2028. It marks the third time Los Angeles will host the Summer Olympics.

We will have a successful Olympics.

AI Overview
Russian athletes are on a path to participate in the 2028 Los Angeles Summer Olympics after the International Olympic Committee provisionally lifted its suspension of the Russian Olympic Committee.

Requirements and Restrictions
Doping Controls: Returning athletes must submit to strict, multiple anti-doping tests managed by the International Testing Agency.
Political Limits: The IOC will not host any official Olympic events inside Russia or invite Russian state officials to committee events.

 

[barbos]

What a country.

Yes, she was married to an ethnic Ukrainian. Bakalchuk is an ukrainian last name.
I don't really care much about her private life and financial arrangements. But her former husband is quite a character.

 

[barbos]

The war shows Putin and Russian mikitary are incomptentt.

They are no more incompetent than your government who lost all bases in ME.
In fact, they are much less incompetent than all western governments.

 

[barbos]

Meanwhile, Nazi clowns in Kiev tried to conduct false flag operation in Germany.
launched couple of FPV drones near a jet with weapons for Ukraine in Leipzig airport, both of which remarkably failed to explode.
Germans quickly realized who was most likely responsible and story did get picked by western media.

 

[ZiprHead]

Meanwhile, Nazi clowns in Kiev tried to conduct false flag operation in Germany.
launched couple of FPV drones near a jet with weapons for Ukraine in Leipzig airport, both of which remarkably failed to explode.
Germans quickly realized who was most likely responsible and story did get picked by western media.

Drone with explosives found at German airport, official sees 'new quality' of threat

No mention of Ukraine being responsible.

However

In 2024, an incendiary device ignited at a logistics center at the airport and set fire to a freight container, part of a plot that Western security officials suspect Russian intelligence was behind. The flight it was supposed to take was delayed.

Western officials have accused Russia and its proxies of staging dozens of attacks and other incidents across Europe since the full-scale invasion of Ukraine more than four years ago.

 

[Bronzeage]

You need to worry about Iran fucking your bases in ME
Oil refieneries are fine. What is not fine is Ukrainian grain export. Question they now have is whether to bother to harvest their grain this year.

It's cute how you try to change the subject when you know I'm right. I don't have to worry about anything because when my car needs gasoline, I can stop at the next corner.

The difference between the Russian grain harvest and the Ukrainian grain harvest is Ukraine will have a grain harvest. Russian grain will go to seed in the field. Diesel prices mean Russian farmers will lose money if they harvest the grain, so it stays in the field.

The Bashneft-Novoil and Slavneft-Yanos refineries are on fire. Bashneft is 1300 kilometers from Ukraine. This means a Ukrainian drone can fly 1300 kilometers in plain sight and Russian air defenses can't stop it.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Russian farmers might be better off selling the diesel.