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How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

 
 
 
barbos said:
Tigers! said:
barbos said:
People often bring up Stalin purges and stuff.
But if you look at the actual cases, you will quickly realize that origin of that shit was very real.
Capitalist counterrevolution intelligence did in fact was running around oRussia and scheming. There can't be any doubt.
It went well overboard in the end but Stalin's paranoia had a basis in reality.

USA had McCarthyism too. So so-called "democracies" are not immune to that shit. And what is happening in Europe reminds me early stages of that.
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Remind us all again how many were executed under McCarthyism vs. Stalin's purges.
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Do we include Salem Witches? And simply wrong people executed in the 20s century in US?
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We will not extend the period beyond the McCarthy era which you used as the reference point.
But thank you for confirmed the huge number of unnecessary deaths of innocent people. Inadventarly of course.
 
I don't post in this thread too much, but this seems like big news:
www.cnbc.com

Trump strikes deal with Putin to supply Russian diesel to U.S. and global markets

President Donald Trump has few options to reduce diesel prices given the destruction done to refineries by the wars in Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

Trump wants to win the election and do whatever it takes to win. So, reducing the price of diesel is a means to that end. It seems like this is a very bad thing for Ukraine and it seems also like (temporarily) easing of sanctions is implied. But I am not so sure. I _do_ feel like Trump may want to convince Republicans to be even more pro-Russia so that he has no political or moral obligations to Ukraine. That would free him to be more of a dictator clown. Thoughts?
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
I don't post in this thread too much, but this seems like big news:
www.cnbc.com

Trump strikes deal with Putin to supply Russian diesel to U.S. and global markets

President Donald Trump has few options to reduce diesel prices given the destruction done to refineries by the wars in Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

Trump wants to win the election and do whatever it takes to win. So, reducing the price of diesel is a means to that end. It seems like this is a very bad thing for Ukraine and it seems also like (temporarily) easing of sanctions is implied. But I am not so sure. I _do_ feel like Trump may want to convince Republicans to be even more pro-Russia so that he has no political or moral obligations to Ukraine. That would free him to be more of a dictator clown. Thoughts?
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He's lying.

Russia's entire crude oil exports in 2023 , let alone refined diesel, were a small fraction of the numbers Trump stated.
 
Don2 (Don1 Revised) said:
I don't post in this thread too much, but this seems like big news:
www.cnbc.com

Trump strikes deal with Putin to supply Russian diesel to U.S. and global markets

President Donald Trump has few options to reduce diesel prices given the destruction done to refineries by the wars in Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
www.cnbc.com www.cnbc.com

Trump wants to win the election and do whatever it takes to win. So, reducing the price of diesel is a means to that end. It seems like this is a very bad thing for Ukraine and it seems also like (temporarily) easing of sanctions is implied. But I am not so sure. I _do_ feel like Trump may want to convince Republicans to be even more pro-Russia so that he has no political or moral obligations to Ukraine. That would free him to be more of a dictator clown. Thoughts?
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It gives Trump someone to blame for diesel prices. What I've read so far is it isn't going to move the needle much. It does put some pressure on Ukraine to ease up on strikes. Kushner and Witkoff warned Ukraine, intel on Russia might be withheld if they didn't ease up. European nations can provide plenty of intel. I think what Ukraine would lose in what the US provides is the early warning of movement and precision targeting of moved Russian assets.
My take is this is just for election purposes only. Ukraine might go easy on refineries until after November 3rd. They hit Yandex (Russian Google). I'm sure Ukraine can stay busy elsewhere for a few weeks.
 
understandingwar.org

Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment, October 8, 2026

Russian milbloggers recently acknowledged Ukrainian advances east of Slovyansk and Kramatorsk, possibly after months of battlefield shaping.
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Russian milbloggers recently acknowledged Ukrainian advances east of Slovyansk and Kramatorsk, possibly after months of battlefield shaping efforts similar to those which Ukrainian forces conducted in the months leading up to Operation Vivaldi in the Lyman direction.

Russian milbloggers are acknowledging that these Ukrainian counterattacks in the Slovyansk and Kramatorsk directions may have cascading effects and implications for Russian efforts to seize the Fortress Belt.

Ongoing Russian efforts to use glide bomb strikes to shape the battlefield in the Donetsk Oblast Fortress Belt resulted in mass civilian casualties on October 8.

European officials continue to name Russia as the party responsible for sabotage against European defense industrial enterprises involved in manufacturing and delivering weapons to Ukraine.
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Details in the link.
 
Trump blames Ukraine again for Trump's energy crisis. Trump and Netanyahu created this problem.

Now Trump thinks that Ukraine should risk its country for very little effect.

Trump is such a fucking asswipe.

President Trump on Saturday accused Ukraine of causing a “world problem” with Russian refinery attacks and said it should “get a new president,” further undermining Kyiv a day after saying he would open U.S. markets to Russian diesel.

Speaking to reporters at the White House on Saturday, he said the United States had told Ukraine, “you can do whatever you want to Russia. Don’t hit the refineries because that’s a world problem that’s caused.”

President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine, he said, “wants to make problems for the world.” He added, “I think it’s time for Ukraine to get a new president.”
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www.nytimes.com

Rebuking Ukraine Over Oil Strikes, Trump Says It Should ‘Get a New President’

Hours after President Trump said the United States would buy Russian diesel, the Kremlin said there would be no immediate resumption of discussions to end the war.
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