How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[DrZoidberg]

Trump hints at 'big progress' in Ukraine talks as Zelensky warns against giving away territory

After weekend US-Ukraine talks in Geneva, President Zelensky says: "Putin wants legal recognition to what he has stolen...that's the main problem."

www.bbc.com

My reading of this peace proposal is Ukraine admitting defeat. Does anyone disagree?

Yep. And if Ukraine accepts this agreement, Russia will reinvade again in 6 months. And Ukraine will be in a weaker position then.

That's not guaranteed. This peace will make Ukraine a vassal of Russia again. As long as Ukraine plays ball and obeys Russia from now on they won't get invaded again.

But it's extremely bad news for the Baltic states. I think they're next

 

[Harry Bosch]

Trump hints at 'big progress' in Ukraine talks as Zelensky warns against giving away territory

After weekend US-Ukraine talks in Geneva, President Zelensky says: "Putin wants legal recognition to what he has stolen...that's the main problem."

www.bbc.com

My reading of this peace proposal is Ukraine admitting defeat. Does anyone disagree?

Yep. And if Ukraine accepts this agreement, Russia will reinvade again in 6 months. And Ukraine will be in a weaker position then.

That's not guaranteed. This peace will make Ukraine a vassal of Russia again. As long as Ukraine plays ball and obeys Russia from now on they won't get invaded again.

But it's extremely bad news for the Baltic states. I think they're next

It's nearly guarantied. The reason why Russia wants Ukrainian soldiers to abandon their posts in the Donbass is because these are the most heavily fortified areas. They pull out of their most defensible positions, then reduce their military in half, cut munitions in half; Russia rebuilds their army, then it's clear sailing to Kyiv. And yes, Baltics are next, then Poland. More will follow.

 

[ZiprHead]

What a load of BS you keep posting over and over again.
Ukraine should be all occupied and integrated back into Russia.
Russia can't afford having nazis in Ukraine.

Maybe you should take care of the nazis in Russia first.

We took care of them just fine.

Nope. There's still one in the Kremlin. His name rhymes with ootin.

 

[ZiprHead]

That's not guaranteed. This peace will make Ukraine a vassal of Russia again. As long as Ukraine plays ball and obeys Russia from now on they won't get invaded again.

 

[pood]

Trump hints at 'big progress' in Ukraine talks as Zelensky warns against giving away territory

After weekend US-Ukraine talks in Geneva, President Zelensky says: "Putin wants legal recognition to what he has stolen...that's the main problem."

www.bbc.com

My reading of this peace proposal is Ukraine admitting defeat. Does anyone disagree?

Yep. And if Ukraine accepts this agreement, Russia will reinvade again in 6 months. And Ukraine will be in a weaker position then.

That's not guaranteed. This peace will make Ukraine a vassal of Russia again. As long as Ukraine plays ball and obeys Russia from now on they won't get invaded again.

But it's extremely bad news for the Baltic states. I think they're next

It's nearly guarantied. The reason why Russia wants Ukrainian soldiers to abandon their posts in the Donbass is because these are the most heavily fortified areas. They pull out of their most defensible positions, then reduce their military in half, cut munitions in half; Russia rebuilds their army, then it's clear sailing to Kyiv. And yes, Baltics are next, then Poland. More will follow.

The Baltic states and Poland are part of NATO. Attacks on them mean World War III.

The Ukraine should never voluntarily surrender Donbas.

Nazi Russia can rebuild their army all they want, but they are not going to take on NATO. Nazi Russia’s utter debacle in Ukraine shows what a paper tiger they are. I doubt even most of their nukes work.

Hitler would have been proud of Nazifying Russia.

 

[TV and credit cards]

One thing we can be assured of, the Russian armed forces will become corrupt and hollowed out soon enough and no match for an army half its size.

 

[Elixir]

One thing we can be assured of, the Russian armed forces will become corrupt and hollowed out soon enough and no match for an army half its size.

It’s not even a match for an army a tenth it’s size.
It’s amazing what you can do with a hundred million expendable bodies.

 

[barbos]

What a load of BS you keep posting over and over again.
Ukraine should be all occupied and integrated back into Russia.
Russia can't afford having nazis in Ukraine.

Maybe you should take care of the nazis in Russia first.

We took care of them just fine.

Nope. There's still one in the Kremlin. His name rhymes with ootin.

you made a whole bunch typos in the words Washington White House and Biden&Co

 

[barbos]

I think you mean that you hope not

I mean what I wrote.
The "plan" was written by people who had just realized that Elensky had been lying to them about their successes in repelling russian hordes.

The "plan" was written by Putin! He gave it to Trump. Trump dutifully gave it to Zelensky like a good dog. Now Utin is rejecting the plan that he composed. It's a charade to fool the foolish. Russia wants war. Period. I've been saying this since day one. No amount of compromise will satisfy the Russians. Ukraine is just the first country. More will come.

Putin has already said that he does not like that plan but if Kiev Regime signs on it he is willing to work on it.
He is playing along, understanding that Elensky gang will refuse to sign it.
You are clearly incapable of learning anything.
The plan is utter shit.

Agreed. Utin will violate the plan within 6 months. Any plan that limits Ukraine right to defensive weapons will incite the imperialists.

You are disgusting.
It was the west who violated Minsk agreements and it was the west who literally ordered elensky to violate any agreements which would have left Ukraine with Donbas. Western nazi scum lead by Biden and BoJo thought that Russia was weak and would collapse under sanctions and attacks from their ukraine proxy.
The west must pay the price for their aggression against Russia.

 

[pood]

I think you mean that you hope not

I mean what I wrote.
The "plan" was written by people who had just realized that Elensky had been lying to them about their successes in repelling russian hordes.

The "plan" was written by Putin! He gave it to Trump. Trump dutifully gave it to Zelensky like a good dog. Now Utin is rejecting the plan that he composed. It's a charade to fool the foolish. Russia wants war. Period. I've been saying this since day one. No amount of compromise will satisfy the Russians. Ukraine is just the first country. More will come.

Putin has already said that he does not like that plan but if Kiev Regime signs on it he is willing to work on it.
He is playing along, understanding that Elensky gang will refuse to sign it.
You are clearly incapable of learning anything.
The plan is utter shit.

Agreed. Utin will violate the plan within 6 months. Any plan that limits Ukraine right to defensive weapons will incite the imperialists.

You are disgusting.
It was the west who violated Minsk agreements and it was the west who literally ordered elensky to violate any agreements which would have left Ukraine with Donbas. Western nazi scum lead by Biden and BoJo thought that Russia was weak and would collapse under sanctions and attacks from their ukraine proxy.
The west must pay the price for their aggression against Russia.

lol. Supporter of Nazi Russia.

 

[barbos]

The west are the nazis.

 

[pood]

The west are the nazis.

Such pathetic nonsense.

 

[pood]

Trump is trying to sell out Ukraine to his Nazi buddy in the Kremlin. Ukraine should never accept this deal,

 

[barbos]

The west are the nazis.

Such pathetic nonsense.

Pathetic nonsense is you clapping to Hunka.

 

[barbos]

Trump is trying to sell out Ukraine to his Nazi buddy in the Kremlin. Ukraine should never accept this deal,

His nazy buddies are in EU and Kiev.

 

[barbos]

Nobody in Russia asked for any plans. We are doing just fine with ours and they don't involve any talks with anybody.

 

[ZiprHead]

I think you mean that you hope not

I mean what I wrote.
The "plan" was written by people who had just realized that Elensky had been lying to them about their successes in repelling russian hordes.

The "plan" was written by Putin! He gave it to Trump. Trump dutifully gave it to Zelensky like a good dog. Now Utin is rejecting the plan that he composed. It's a charade to fool the foolish. Russia wants war. Period. I've been saying this since day one. No amount of compromise will satisfy the Russians. Ukraine is just the first country. More will come.

Putin has already said that he does not like that plan but if Kiev Regime signs on it he is willing to work on it.
He is playing along, understanding that Elensky gang will refuse to sign it.
You are clearly incapable of learning anything.
The plan is utter shit.

Agreed. Utin will violate the plan within 6 months. Any plan that limits Ukraine right to defensive weapons will incite the imperialists.

You are disgusting.
It was the west who violated Minsk agreements and it was the west who literally ordered elensky to violate any agreements which would have left Ukraine with Donbas. Western nazi scum lead by Biden and BoJo thought that Russia was weak and would collapse under sanctions and attacks from their ukraine proxy.
The west must pay the price for their aggression against Russia.

Sanctions were imposed after Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014.

 

[pood]

The west are the nazis.

Such pathetic nonsense.

Pathetic nonsense is you clapping to Hunka.

Oh, look, one Nazi slipped through the cracks of time. But was discovered.

Don’t slander me that I am “clapping to Hunka” you Russian troll farm nonentity. I am of Polish descent, I despise Nazis, especially the one now in the Kremlin.

 

[pood]

The west are the nazis.

Such pathetic nonsense.

Pathetic nonsense is you clapping to Hunka.

Post reported for slander,

 

[Elixir]

You are disgusting.

That’s quite an insult, coming from a backer of a genocidal megalomaniac who kills hundreds of thousands of his own people every year and conducts unprovoked invasion attempts replete with atrocities against civilians …
Yeah, ya gotta be pretty damn disgusting to be looked down upon by a scumbag like babs. Count me in!